| 64. Sigh. That WOULD be a logical conclusion |
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Edited on Mon Aug-18-03 12:49 AM by Eloriel
after reading a fucked up thread like this, wouldn't it? I don't think I've ever seen so much ignorance parading itself as political strategy in my life. People, people. 1. Try to defeat the recall.Davis may not even deserve it in your eyes but DEMOCRACY does, by God, and it's imperative to do what we can to defeat fascist thugs who want to make an end-run around democracy, as they're trying to do in TX, CO, and by doing things like re-nominating previously defeated judicial candidates (brute force "won't take no for an answer" tactic). 2. JUST IN CASE defeating the recall doesn't work, Californians have GOT to have someone who can defeat Arnold. The best candidate, no matter what anyone thinks of him, is Bustamonte. He's already Lt. Gov. He's got experience at governing. He's got good support from Latinos. He's the best choice unless everyone wants to line up for Arianna. (And thank Goddess she chose to run as an Independent so she doesn't split the Dem vote too much.) 3. It's my understanding that a Davis resignation would NOT stop the recall vote. So it would be just a terribly dangerous capitulation to this fascist takeover attempt. I'm not even sure what happens to Bustamonte in that case (Davis resigning). Does anyone? He probably stays on the ballot, but can also be replaced if the recall wins and he doesn't win on the 2nd half -- just speculation on my part. Look, here's my rundown on the danger of what's happening in CA: WAKE UP AND KISS DEMOCRACY -- and 2004 -- GOODBYE http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Eloriel
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| -Time to Drop Kick Governor Davis outta office! |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 09:52 PM |
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Well |
jiacinto |
Aug-17-03 09:54 PM |
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I think |
mantis |
Aug-17-03 09:55 PM |
#2 |
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My first big reason to not support Clark |
mitchtv |
Aug-17-03 09:59 PM |
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well, as a union member as well |
seekthetruth |
Aug-17-03 10:41 PM |
#37 |
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remember your * hr day? say goodbye |
mitchtv |
Aug-18-03 03:33 PM |
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Thanks Mitchtv****Voteclark seems to know little about the fact |
shance |
Aug-18-03 12:58 AM |
#65 |
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EXACTLY, Davis DOES NOTHING |
jeter |
Aug-18-03 02:14 AM |
#73 |
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Excuse me the burden of proof is on you for that one |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-18-03 02:19 AM |
#75 |
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Did Davis reregulate the Energy sector? |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 03:48 AM |
#81 |
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HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION!!! |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-18-03 10:55 AM |
#136 |
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Showing Freeper colors Jeter? |
shance |
Aug-18-03 02:00 PM |
#152 |
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Had that same feeling about ol' Jeter myself |
tom_paine |
Aug-18-03 02:13 PM |
#156 |
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And Cruz won't...don't me fucking laugh!!! |
Oracle |
Aug-18-03 03:09 PM |
#163 |
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Correct |
Boreas |
Aug-18-03 04:17 PM |
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Don't assume VoteClark represents Clark |
gulliver |
Aug-18-03 08:01 AM |
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mitch, I think Mr Vote4Clarke is gong to vote GOP in either case |
tom_paine |
Aug-18-03 12:50 PM |
#144 |
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Please get your facts correct |
cally |
Aug-17-03 09:59 PM |
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Defending a Recall against Bustamante is harder than Davis? |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 10:12 PM |
#12 |
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This recall is not about Davis!!! |
cally |
Aug-17-03 10:15 PM |
#18 |
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You want to be right on principle and go ahead a lose the state? |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 10:24 PM |
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It is not a fact that Davis will lose the recall |
cally |
Aug-17-03 10:28 PM |
#27 |
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Where do you live??? Just curious |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:33 PM |
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I don't think you were asking me, |
cally |
Aug-17-03 10:35 PM |
#32 |
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no, surely we don't want to defend democracy </sarcasm> |
Cheswick |
Aug-18-03 01:32 PM |
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Davis wouldn't be vulnerable if it was just repukes. |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 03:52 AM |
#83 |
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He is to blame for not stoping the rape of Califonia |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 03:54 AM |
#84 |
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You know nothing of what you speak!!!! |
Oracle |
Aug-18-03 03:13 PM |
#165 |
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you are woefully misinformed.... |
lib71 |
Aug-18-03 01:14 AM |
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The recall is a liberal idea! |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-17-03 10:14 PM |
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Which therefore makes it a good idea? |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:15 PM |
#17 |
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The recall provisions in the California Constitution |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-19-03 12:53 AM |
#176 |
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Sorry IG. The recall is PART of the liberal construction rule |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:24 PM |
#22 |
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Will you risk everything on Gray Davis? |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-17-03 11:21 PM |
#56 |
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I'm not turning my back on Bustamante to be certain |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 11:27 PM |
#58 |
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We have all heard Macaulliff amd Feinstien say no-one should run |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:03 AM |
#87 |
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Your exactly right IG. These are the same scolds that got after greens |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:01 AM |
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We are bashed when we stand on principle against the war |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-19-03 01:06 AM |
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There is nothing liberal about Gray Davis |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 03:57 AM |
#85 |
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PROVE THAT, PLEASE |
catzies |
Aug-18-03 02:52 PM |
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No the recall doesn't continue against Bisumante |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 03:49 AM |
#82 |
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Aaaaaaaaagh! |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 04:09 AM |
#91 |
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you are wrong |
Cheswick |
Aug-18-03 02:00 PM |
#151 |
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Freerepublic has to love titles like this thread on DU |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:00 PM |
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Just kill me |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:03 PM |
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Exactly ! |
proud patriot |
Aug-17-03 10:07 PM |
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Will, I love what you say, but as a Californian |
Clete |
Aug-17-03 10:08 PM |
#9 |
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It immediately occurs to me |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:09 PM |
#10 |
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My husband has vowed to vote no and not vote for a replacement |
proud patriot |
Aug-17-03 10:20 PM |
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Seems like it's ripe for a conflict |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:25 PM |
#24 |
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cause that would be the smart thing to do... |
Nazgul35 |
Aug-18-03 09:35 AM |
#130 |
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Frankly I don't think the thread opener should be on DU |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:36 PM |
#33 |
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Are you crazy Will? |
jeter |
Aug-18-03 02:20 AM |
#76 |
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So Californians should except Davis or be cursed with a repuke |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:08 AM |
#89 |
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I don't agree |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 04:27 AM |
#102 |
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I agree. |
shimmergal |
Aug-18-03 11:45 AM |
#140 |
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welcome to the fight Will |
mitchtv |
Aug-18-03 03:53 PM |
#171 |
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Dems have 1.3 million more voters than Repubs in Cali |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:11 PM |
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It would also be helpful |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:13 PM |
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Dammit NSMA I am doing the best I can. |
Clete |
Aug-17-03 10:14 PM |
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Make sure they vote |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:16 PM |
#19 |
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ANOTHER THING |
jeter |
Aug-18-03 02:22 AM |
#77 |
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he is universally hated in california? |
Cheswick |
Aug-18-03 03:55 PM |
#172 |
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The ones scrapping for a living will be the ones hardest hit |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:26 PM |
#25 |
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You are so right, but they are the hardest to get through to. |
Clete |
Aug-17-03 10:29 PM |
#28 |
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Not when you tell them their property taxes will go up |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:31 PM |
#29 |
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NSMA they don't own property. |
Clete |
Aug-17-03 10:36 PM |
#34 |
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The Poor Rent |
REP |
Aug-18-03 03:48 AM |
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I would LOVE for California to secede |
maggrwaggr |
Aug-17-03 11:53 PM |
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WP*** You rock...... |
shance |
Aug-18-03 01:01 AM |
#67 |
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HE DOES NOTHING PERIOD |
jeter |
Aug-18-03 02:23 AM |
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Your insane, since the recall is Constitutional |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:05 AM |
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You've got it |
Zorro |
Aug-18-03 08:59 AM |
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a voice of reason |
realFedUp |
Aug-18-03 09:02 AM |
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I support Recalls but this one |
VermontDem2004 |
Aug-18-03 09:31 AM |
#129 |
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William, you're close but missing one fact |
slackmaster |
Aug-18-03 12:51 PM |
#145 |
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you are 1000 percent right |
Cheswick |
Aug-18-03 03:45 PM |
#168 |
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Did you think Clinton should have resigned too by any chance? n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Aug-17-03 10:08 PM |
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Nope, not by any chance |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 10:13 PM |
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No and since he wasn't required to what is your point |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:11 AM |
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Uh, no |
mzpip |
Aug-17-03 10:24 PM |
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The recall doesn't specify fraud either |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:13 AM |
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If Davis done something illegal |
VermontDem2004 |
Aug-18-03 09:47 AM |
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The purpose of a recall has nothing to do with crime or fraud |
slackmaster |
Aug-18-03 12:47 PM |
#142 |
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I fail to see the logic ?? |
kentuck |
Aug-17-03 10:27 PM |
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The logic is to keep California in Democratic Hands |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 10:35 PM |
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No he won't. Bustamante is polling higher than Arnold right now |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 10:38 PM |
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Do you understand statistics? |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 10:55 PM |
#42 |
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DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS EVEN WORKS??? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 11:31 PM |
#59 |
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You *can* vote against the recall, and for Bustamonte just in case... |
rezmutt |
Aug-17-03 10:49 PM |
#39 |
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Why not just defeat the recall by getting rid of Davis? |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 11:07 PM |
#50 |
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Just surrender ? |
kentuck |
Aug-17-03 11:16 PM |
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Because the recall is only against Davis not Bisumante |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:15 AM |
#94 |
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Not True! |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 04:31 AM |
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That is not what we are arguing! Your not paying attention |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 04:39 AM |
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If Davis resigns, what reason do Democrats have to go to the polls ? |
kentuck |
Aug-18-03 09:23 AM |
#128 |
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speaking of not paying attention... |
Nazgul35 |
Aug-18-03 09:48 AM |
#134 |
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Think it through |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 05:54 AM |
#116 |
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because we'll still have a recall! Pay attention! |
maggrwaggr |
Aug-18-03 12:15 AM |
#63 |
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I fully understand that the Recall will happen if Davis resigns or NOT |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 04:16 AM |
#95 |
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Buy a newspaper... turn on the tv... |
SoCalDem |
Aug-18-03 02:24 AM |
#79 |
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I KNOW THAT DAVIS NOT RESIGNING WILL NOT END THE RECALL |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 04:20 AM |
#99 |
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How do you defeat a recall by getting rid of Davis? |
VermontDem2004 |
Aug-18-03 02:11 PM |
#155 |
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NO! Fight the recall!!! Started by the RW, paid for by the RW... |
rezmutt |
Aug-17-03 10:41 PM |
#36 |
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So screw them over by voting no on recall yes on Bisumante |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:17 AM |
#96 |
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*sigh* Best chance for DEMOCRATS |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 04:37 AM |
#105 |
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Davis ensures the recall will pass. He resignation ensures the recall |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 05:51 AM |
#115 |
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You have made a slew of false allegations against Davis.. |
TruthIsAll |
Aug-17-03 10:48 PM |
#38 |
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Sorry buddy, Davis will lose, I don't care how much you like him |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 11:00 PM |
#46 |
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if davis gets booted, the GOP coup is a success... |
deacon |
Aug-17-03 10:50 PM |
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NO, If the Repukes take California, The plan will be a success |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 11:05 PM |
#48 |
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No they aren't but that is why you make Bisumante an option |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:20 AM |
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We'll the thickheaded smuck shouldn't have bailed Enron |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:19 AM |
#97 |
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EXACTLY, BRAVO DRAFTCLARK!!!!!!!! |
jeter |
Aug-17-03 10:55 PM |
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You are one of the reason hemp isn't legal. n/t |
Clete |
Aug-17-03 10:58 PM |
#44 |
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL LOL!!!!! |
WilliamPitt |
Aug-17-03 10:59 PM |
#45 |
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You are one reason California will have a Republican Governor |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 11:02 PM |
#47 |
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Say how? |
Clete |
Aug-18-03 11:27 AM |
#139 |
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you are one reason that California should have residency requirements to v |
mitchtv |
Aug-18-03 03:48 PM |
#170 |
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You're saying impeachment isn't legal? Hell yes it's legal! |
rezmutt |
Aug-17-03 11:13 PM |
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Oops forgot our little spoilers Camejo and Arianna dividing that vote |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-17-03 11:33 PM |
#60 |
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Arianna will drop if she will end up a spoiler |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:22 AM |
#100 |
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before you do all CA DUers BETTER read this! VERY IMPORTANT! |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-17-03 10:57 PM |
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Excellent post, ED! |
rezmutt |
Aug-17-03 11:06 PM |
#49 |
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good read |
Fescue4u |
Aug-19-03 12:48 AM |
#175 |
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odd that your post count to begin this thread was 666 |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-17-03 11:14 PM |
#52 |
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Yes I am |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:04 AM |
#71 |
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your not helping clark |
ezmojason |
Aug-17-03 11:14 PM |
#53 |
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Heh... EXCELLENT CATCH There ezmojason !!! |
WillyT |
Aug-17-03 11:23 PM |
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typo |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 04:08 AM |
#90 |
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I'm beginning to think Davis will get more Repub votes than Arnold.... |
kentuck |
Aug-17-03 11:20 PM |
#55 |
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Sigh. That WOULD be a logical conclusion |
Eloriel |
Aug-18-03 12:47 AM |
#64 |
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Weak and absurd. |
poskonig |
Aug-17-03 11:33 PM |
#61 |
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Only in states with recall provisions |
Classical_Liberal |
Aug-18-03 04:24 AM |
#101 |
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Don't you see? there's more at stake here than just Davis |
Doomsayer13 |
Aug-18-03 12:59 AM |
#66 |
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Amen, Doomsayer |
lib71 |
Aug-18-03 01:24 AM |
#69 |
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Davis is gone, the best we can do is keep it in Democratic Hands |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:02 AM |
#70 |
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80% of People Dislike Davis. He is gone! Period. |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:12 AM |
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80% of the people don't even vote |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-18-03 02:17 AM |
#74 |
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Explain why 50% would vote to boot Gov. Bustamante? And you have |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 04:33 AM |
#104 |
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What you refuse to see |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 04:48 AM |
#108 |
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Can you read? |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 05:04 AM |
#109 |
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Okay |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 05:27 AM |
#111 |
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Your wrong again, sorry |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 05:45 AM |
#113 |
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Your "strategy" is based on nothing more |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 06:27 AM |
#119 |
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You can't run to replace yourself |
VermontDem2004 |
Aug-18-03 02:19 PM |
#158 |
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If Davis resigns, Democrats will not flock to polls for Bustamante... |
kentuck |
Aug-18-03 09:36 AM |
#131 |
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I think you're right, kentuck |
slackmaster |
Aug-18-03 12:52 PM |
#146 |
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No my Friend, Davis being Governor is certain a loss on the Recall |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:01 PM |
#153 |
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What sick, twisted reasoning based on utter disrespect of facts & CAvoters |
Tinoire |
Aug-18-03 04:45 AM |
#107 |
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Sssssssomebody pinch me! |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 05:16 AM |
#110 |
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Bullshit |
Libby2 |
Aug-18-03 05:43 AM |
#112 |
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And he will be legally unelected |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 05:48 AM |
#114 |
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Are we? |
Tinoire |
Aug-18-03 08:04 AM |
#122 |
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Your entire premise says 20% will vote NO on recall... |
kentuck |
Aug-18-03 09:42 AM |
#132 |
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My Premise says Davis will lose and Arnold will win |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:06 PM |
#154 |
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And who would be that "stronger" candidate ? |
kentuck |
Aug-18-03 02:16 PM |
#157 |
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Davis can't defeat the recall |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:36 PM |
#160 |
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"Save the party & the state for the Repukes" |
Bridget Burke |
Aug-18-03 05:55 AM |
#117 |
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TYPO Sould say "save it "from" the Repukes. Not "For" LOL |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 01:35 PM |
#150 |
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Why the hell is Bustamante sabotaging Davis, Labor & the 2004 Elections? |
Tinoire |
Aug-18-03 06:24 AM |
#118 |
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You are awfully harsh on Davis, seeing as how he didn't do |
leesa |
Aug-18-03 07:52 AM |
#120 |
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More brilliant ideas from VoteClark |
gulliver |
Aug-18-03 08:08 AM |
#123 |
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Thanks, Karl! (You are not helping your candidate - whom I like |
robbedvoter |
Aug-18-03 08:16 AM |
#124 |
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CA DUers must READ this entire article RE: Arnold & Kenneth Lay 2001 |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 08:24 AM |
#125 |
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is this a freudian slip? |
Nazgul35 |
Aug-18-03 09:51 AM |
#135 |
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Interesting catch |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 11:59 AM |
#141 |
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Davis is still Governor |
samsingh |
Aug-18-03 10:59 AM |
#137 |
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Davis WON the election 8 months ago...8 months CA voters wanted him |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 11:04 AM |
#138 |
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Maybe so but only the voters can decide whether Davis stays or goes |
slackmaster |
Aug-18-03 12:49 PM |
#143 |
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This has become a common Republican tactic |
Rhiannon12866 |
Aug-19-03 02:00 AM |
#178 |
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YOUR STRATEGY WILL SUPRESS THE DEM VOTE AND ENSURE A REPUB |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-18-03 01:08 PM |
#147 |
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With friends like this ... |
Booberdawg |
Aug-18-03 01:33 PM |
#149 |
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Sort of reminds me of the logic of not standing with the CBC |
salin |
Aug-18-03 03:11 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-18-03 02:33 PM |
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ONE LAST TIME,...REPUBS WILL STILL SHOW UP! |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-18-03 03:18 PM |
#166 |
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Ummmm |
mkregel |
Aug-18-03 03:05 PM |
#162 |
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PLEASE LET THIS PIECE OF REPUB FAVORING PROPAGANDA DIE |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-18-03 03:47 PM |
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I read in another post that you are taking a leave |
mitchtv |
Aug-18-03 04:02 PM |
#173 |
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Reality sets in. I'd like Davis to resign |
JackSwift |
Aug-19-03 03:13 AM |
#179 |
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``Vote no recall, yes for Bustamante.'' |
Rhiannon12866 |
Aug-19-03 03:52 AM |
#180 |
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I am locking this thread. |
newyawker99 |
Aug-19-03 06:57 AM |
#181 |