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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 12:47 AM
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64. Sigh. That WOULD be a logical conclusion
Edited on Mon Aug-18-03 12:49 AM by Eloriel
after reading a fucked up thread like this, wouldn't it? I don't think I've ever seen so much ignorance parading itself as political strategy in my life.

People, people.

1. Try to defeat the recall.
Davis may not even deserve it in your eyes but DEMOCRACY does, by God, and it's imperative to do what we can to defeat fascist thugs who want to make an end-run around democracy, as they're trying to do in TX, CO, and by doing things like re-nominating previously defeated judicial candidates (brute force "won't take no for an answer" tactic).

2. JUST IN CASE defeating the recall doesn't work, Californians have GOT to have someone who can defeat Arnold. The best candidate, no matter what anyone thinks of him, is Bustamonte. He's already Lt. Gov. He's got experience at governing. He's got good support from Latinos. He's the best choice unless everyone wants to line up for Arianna. (And thank Goddess she chose to run as an Independent so she doesn't split the Dem vote too much.)


3. It's my understanding that a Davis resignation would NOT stop the recall vote. So it would be just a terribly dangerous capitulation to this fascist takeover attempt. I'm not even sure what happens to Bustamonte in that case (Davis resigning). Does anyone? He probably stays on the ballot, but can also be replaced if the recall wins and he doesn't win on the 2nd half -- just speculation on my part.

Look, here's my rundown on the danger of what's happening in CA:

WAKE UP AND KISS DEMOCRACY -- and 2004 -- GOODBYE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Eloriel
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  -Time to Drop Kick Governor Davis outta office! VoteClark  Aug-17-03 09:52 PM   #0 
  - Well  jiacinto   Aug-17-03 09:54 PM   #1 
  - I think  mantis   Aug-17-03 09:55 PM   #2 
  - My first big reason to not support Clark  mitchtv   Aug-17-03 09:59 PM   #3 
  - well, as a union member as well  seekthetruth   Aug-17-03 10:41 PM   #37 
  - remember your * hr day? say goodbye  mitchtv   Aug-18-03 03:33 PM   #167 
  - Thanks Mitchtv****Voteclark seems to know little about the fact  shance   Aug-18-03 12:58 AM   #65 
  - EXACTLY, Davis DOES NOTHING  jeter   Aug-18-03 02:14 AM   #73 
  - Excuse me the burden of proof is on you for that one  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-18-03 02:19 AM   #75 
  - Did Davis reregulate the Energy sector?  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 03:48 AM   #81 
     - HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION!!!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-18-03 10:55 AM   #136 
  - Showing Freeper colors Jeter?  shance   Aug-18-03 02:00 PM   #152 
  - Had that same feeling about ol' Jeter myself  tom_paine   Aug-18-03 02:13 PM   #156 
  - And Cruz won't...don't me fucking laugh!!!  Oracle   Aug-18-03 03:09 PM   #163 
  - Correct  Boreas   Aug-18-03 04:17 PM   #174 
  - Don't assume VoteClark represents Clark  gulliver   Aug-18-03 08:01 AM   #121 
  - mitch, I think Mr Vote4Clarke is gong to vote GOP in either case  tom_paine   Aug-18-03 12:50 PM   #144 
  - Please get your facts correct  cally   Aug-17-03 09:59 PM   #4 
  - Defending a Recall against Bustamante is harder than Davis?  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 10:12 PM   #12 
  - This recall is not about Davis!!!  cally   Aug-17-03 10:15 PM   #18 
  - You want to be right on principle and go ahead a lose the state?  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 10:24 PM   #21 
  - It is not a fact that Davis will lose the recall  cally   Aug-17-03 10:28 PM   #27 
  - Where do you live??? Just curious  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:33 PM   #30 
  - I don't think you were asking me,  cally   Aug-17-03 10:35 PM   #32 
  - no, surely we don't want to defend democracy </sarcasm>  Cheswick   Aug-18-03 01:32 PM   #148 
  - Davis wouldn't be vulnerable if it was just repukes.  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 03:52 AM   #83 
  - He is to blame for not stoping the rape of Califonia  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 03:54 AM   #84 
     - You know nothing of what you speak!!!!  Oracle   Aug-18-03 03:13 PM   #165 
  - you are woefully misinformed....  lib71   Aug-18-03 01:14 AM   #68 
  - The recall is a liberal idea!  IndianaGreen   Aug-17-03 10:14 PM   #15 
  - Which therefore makes it a good idea?  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:15 PM   #17 
  - The recall provisions in the California Constitution  IndianaGreen   Aug-19-03 12:53 AM   #176 
  - Sorry IG. The recall is PART of the liberal construction rule  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:24 PM   #22 
     - Will you risk everything on Gray Davis?  IndianaGreen   Aug-17-03 11:21 PM   #56 
     - I'm not turning my back on Bustamante to be certain  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 11:27 PM   #58 
     - We have all heard Macaulliff amd Feinstien say no-one should run  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:03 AM   #87 
     - Your exactly right IG. These are the same scolds that got after greens  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:01 AM   #86 
        - We are bashed when we stand on principle against the war  IndianaGreen   Aug-19-03 01:06 AM   #177 
     - There is nothing liberal about Gray Davis  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 03:57 AM   #85 
        - PROVE THAT, PLEASE  catzies   Aug-18-03 02:52 PM   #161 
  - No the recall doesn't continue against Bisumante  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 03:49 AM   #82 
     - Aaaaaaaaagh!  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 04:09 AM   #91 
     - you are wrong  Cheswick   Aug-18-03 02:00 PM   #151 
  - Freerepublic has to love titles like this thread on DU  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:00 PM   #5 
  - Just kill me  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:03 PM   #6 
  - Exactly !  proud patriot   Aug-17-03 10:07 PM   #7 
  - Will, I love what you say, but as a Californian  Clete   Aug-17-03 10:08 PM   #9 
  - It immediately occurs to me  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:09 PM   #10 
  - My husband has vowed to vote no and not vote for a replacement  proud patriot   Aug-17-03 10:20 PM   #20 
  - Seems like it's ripe for a conflict  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:25 PM   #24 
  - cause that would be the smart thing to do...  Nazgul35   Aug-18-03 09:35 AM   #130 
  - Frankly I don't think the thread opener should be on DU  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:36 PM   #33 
  - Are you crazy Will?  jeter   Aug-18-03 02:20 AM   #76 
  - So Californians should except Davis or be cursed with a repuke  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:08 AM   #89 
  - I don't agree  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 04:27 AM   #102 
  - I agree.  shimmergal   Aug-18-03 11:45 AM   #140 
  - welcome to the fight Will  mitchtv   Aug-18-03 03:53 PM   #171 
  - Dems have 1.3 million more voters than Repubs in Cali  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:11 PM   #11 
  - It would also be helpful  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:13 PM   #13 
  - Dammit NSMA I am doing the best I can.  Clete   Aug-17-03 10:14 PM   #16 
     - Make sure they vote  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:16 PM   #19 
     - ANOTHER THING  jeter   Aug-18-03 02:22 AM   #77 
        - he is universally hated in california?  Cheswick   Aug-18-03 03:55 PM   #172 
     - The ones scrapping for a living will be the ones hardest hit  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:26 PM   #25 
        - You are so right, but they are the hardest to get through to.  Clete   Aug-17-03 10:29 PM   #28 
           - Not when you tell them their property taxes will go up  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:31 PM   #29 
           - NSMA they don't own property.  Clete   Aug-17-03 10:36 PM   #34 
              - The Poor Rent  REP   Aug-18-03 03:48 AM   #80 
  - I would LOVE for California to secede  maggrwaggr   Aug-17-03 11:53 PM   #62 
  - WP*** You rock......  shance   Aug-18-03 01:01 AM   #67 
  - HE DOES NOTHING PERIOD  jeter   Aug-18-03 02:23 AM   #78 
  - Your insane, since the recall is Constitutional  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:05 AM   #88 
  - You've got it  Zorro   Aug-18-03 08:59 AM   #126 
  - a voice of reason  realFedUp   Aug-18-03 09:02 AM   #127 
  - I support Recalls but this one  VermontDem2004   Aug-18-03 09:31 AM   #129 
  - William, you're close but missing one fact  slackmaster   Aug-18-03 12:51 PM   #145 
  - you are 1000 percent right  Cheswick   Aug-18-03 03:45 PM   #168 
  - Did you think Clinton should have resigned too by any chance? n/t  NNN0LHI   Aug-17-03 10:08 PM   #8 
  - Nope, not by any chance  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 10:13 PM   #14 
  - No and since he wasn't required to what is your point  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:11 AM   #92 
  - Uh, no  mzpip   Aug-17-03 10:24 PM   #23 
  - The recall doesn't specify fraud either  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:13 AM   #93 
  - If Davis done something illegal  VermontDem2004   Aug-18-03 09:47 AM   #133 
  - The purpose of a recall has nothing to do with crime or fraud  slackmaster   Aug-18-03 12:47 PM   #142 
  - I fail to see the logic ??  kentuck   Aug-17-03 10:27 PM   #26 
  - The logic is to keep California in Democratic Hands  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 10:35 PM   #31 
     - No he won't. Bustamante is polling higher than Arnold right now  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 10:38 PM   #35 
     - Do you understand statistics?  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 10:55 PM   #42 
        - DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS EVEN WORKS???  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 11:31 PM   #59 
     - You *can* vote against the recall, and for Bustamonte just in case...  rezmutt   Aug-17-03 10:49 PM   #39 
        - Why not just defeat the recall by getting rid of Davis?  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 11:07 PM   #50 
           - Just surrender ?  kentuck   Aug-17-03 11:16 PM   #54 
           - Because the recall is only against Davis not Bisumante  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:15 AM   #94 
           - Not True!  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 04:31 AM   #103 
              - That is not what we are arguing! Your not paying attention  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 04:39 AM   #106 
                 - If Davis resigns, what reason do Democrats have to go to the polls ?  kentuck   Aug-18-03 09:23 AM   #128 
                 - speaking of not paying attention...  Nazgul35   Aug-18-03 09:48 AM   #134 
           - Think it through  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 05:54 AM   #116 
           - because we'll still have a recall! Pay attention!  maggrwaggr   Aug-18-03 12:15 AM   #63 
           - I fully understand that the Recall will happen if Davis resigns or NOT  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 04:16 AM   #95 
           - Buy a newspaper... turn on the tv...  SoCalDem   Aug-18-03 02:24 AM   #79 
           - I KNOW THAT DAVIS NOT RESIGNING WILL NOT END THE RECALL  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 04:20 AM   #99 
           - How do you defeat a recall by getting rid of Davis?  VermontDem2004   Aug-18-03 02:11 PM   #155 
  - NO! Fight the recall!!! Started by the RW, paid for by the RW...  rezmutt   Aug-17-03 10:41 PM   #36 
  - So screw them over by voting no on recall yes on Bisumante  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:17 AM   #96 
     - *sigh* Best chance for DEMOCRATS  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 04:37 AM   #105 
        - Davis ensures the recall will pass. He resignation ensures the recall  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 05:51 AM   #115 
  - You have made a slew of false allegations against Davis..  TruthIsAll   Aug-17-03 10:48 PM   #38 
  - Sorry buddy, Davis will lose, I don't care how much you like him  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 11:00 PM   #46 
  - if davis gets booted, the GOP coup is a success...  deacon   Aug-17-03 10:50 PM   #40 
  - NO, If the Repukes take California, The plan will be a success  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 11:05 PM   #48 
  - No they aren't but that is why you make Bisumante an option  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:20 AM   #98 
  - We'll the thickheaded smuck shouldn't have bailed Enron  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:19 AM   #97 
  - EXACTLY, BRAVO DRAFTCLARK!!!!!!!!  jeter   Aug-17-03 10:55 PM   #41 
  - You are one of the reason hemp isn't legal. n/t  Clete   Aug-17-03 10:58 PM   #44 
  - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL LOL!!!!!  WilliamPitt   Aug-17-03 10:59 PM   #45 
  - You are one reason California will have a Republican Governor  VoteClark   Aug-17-03 11:02 PM   #47 
     - Say how?  Clete   Aug-18-03 11:27 AM   #139 
     - you are one reason that California should have residency requirements to v  mitchtv   Aug-18-03 03:48 PM   #170 
  - You're saying impeachment isn't legal? Hell yes it's legal!  rezmutt   Aug-17-03 11:13 PM   #51 
  - Oops forgot our little spoilers Camejo and Arianna dividing that vote  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-17-03 11:33 PM   #60 
     - Arianna will drop if she will end up a spoiler  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:22 AM   #100 
  - before you do all CA DUers BETTER read this! VERY IMPORTANT!  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-17-03 10:57 PM   #43 
  - Excellent post, ED!  rezmutt   Aug-17-03 11:06 PM   #49 
  - good read  Fescue4u   Aug-19-03 12:48 AM   #175 
  - odd that your post count to begin this thread was 666  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-17-03 11:14 PM   #52 
  - Yes I am  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:04 AM   #71 
  - your not helping clark  ezmojason   Aug-17-03 11:14 PM   #53 
  - Heh... EXCELLENT CATCH There ezmojason !!!  WillyT   Aug-17-03 11:23 PM   #57 
  - typo  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 04:08 AM   #90 
  - I'm beginning to think Davis will get more Repub votes than Arnold....  kentuck   Aug-17-03 11:20 PM   #55 
  - Sigh. That WOULD be a logical conclusion  Eloriel   Aug-18-03 12:47 AM   #64 
  - Weak and absurd.  poskonig   Aug-17-03 11:33 PM   #61 
  - Only in states with recall provisions  Classical_Liberal   Aug-18-03 04:24 AM   #101 
  - Don't you see? there's more at stake here than just Davis  Doomsayer13   Aug-18-03 12:59 AM   #66 
  - Amen, Doomsayer  lib71   Aug-18-03 01:24 AM   #69 
  - Davis is gone, the best we can do is keep it in Democratic Hands  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:02 AM   #70 
  - 80% of People Dislike Davis. He is gone! Period.  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:12 AM   #72 
  - 80% of the people don't even vote  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-18-03 02:17 AM   #74 
  - Explain why 50% would vote to boot Gov. Bustamante? And you have  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 04:33 AM   #104 
  - What you refuse to see  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 04:48 AM   #108 
     - Can you read?  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 05:04 AM   #109 
        - Okay  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 05:27 AM   #111 
        - Your wrong again, sorry  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 05:45 AM   #113 
           - Your "strategy" is based on nothing more  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 06:27 AM   #119 
           - You can't run to replace yourself  VermontDem2004   Aug-18-03 02:19 PM   #158 
        - If Davis resigns, Democrats will not flock to polls for Bustamante...  kentuck   Aug-18-03 09:36 AM   #131 
           - I think you're right, kentuck  slackmaster   Aug-18-03 12:52 PM   #146 
           - No my Friend, Davis being Governor is certain a loss on the Recall  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:01 PM   #153 
  - What sick, twisted reasoning based on utter disrespect of facts & CAvoters  Tinoire   Aug-18-03 04:45 AM   #107 
  - Sssssssomebody pinch me!  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 05:16 AM   #110 
  - Bullshit  Libby2   Aug-18-03 05:43 AM   #112 
  - And he will be legally unelected  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 05:48 AM   #114 
     - Are we?  Tinoire   Aug-18-03 08:04 AM   #122 
     - Your entire premise says 20% will vote NO on recall...  kentuck   Aug-18-03 09:42 AM   #132 
        - My Premise says Davis will lose and Arnold will win  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:06 PM   #154 
           - And who would be that "stronger" candidate ?  kentuck   Aug-18-03 02:16 PM   #157 
              - Davis can't defeat the recall  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:36 PM   #160 
  - "Save the party & the state for the Repukes"  Bridget Burke   Aug-18-03 05:55 AM   #117 
  - TYPO Sould say "save it "from" the Repukes. Not "For" LOL  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 01:35 PM   #150 
  - Why the hell is Bustamante sabotaging Davis, Labor & the 2004 Elections?  Tinoire   Aug-18-03 06:24 AM   #118 
  - You are awfully harsh on Davis, seeing as how he didn't do  leesa   Aug-18-03 07:52 AM   #120 
  - More brilliant ideas from VoteClark  gulliver   Aug-18-03 08:08 AM   #123 
  - Thanks, Karl! (You are not helping your candidate - whom I like  robbedvoter   Aug-18-03 08:16 AM   #124 
  - CA DUers must READ this entire article RE: Arnold & Kenneth Lay 2001  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 08:24 AM   #125 
  - is this a freudian slip?  Nazgul35   Aug-18-03 09:51 AM   #135 
  - Interesting catch  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 11:59 AM   #141 
  - Davis is still Governor  samsingh   Aug-18-03 10:59 AM   #137 
  - Davis WON the election 8 months ago...8 months CA voters wanted him  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 11:04 AM   #138 
  - Maybe so but only the voters can decide whether Davis stays or goes  slackmaster   Aug-18-03 12:49 PM   #143 
  - This has become a common Republican tactic  Rhiannon12866   Aug-19-03 02:00 AM   #178 
  - YOUR STRATEGY WILL SUPRESS THE DEM VOTE AND ENSURE A REPUB  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-18-03 01:08 PM   #147 
  - With friends like this ...  Booberdawg   Aug-18-03 01:33 PM   #149 
     - Sort of reminds me of the logic of not standing with the CBC  salin   Aug-18-03 03:11 PM   #164 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-18-03 02:33 PM   #159 
  - ONE LAST TIME,...REPUBS WILL STILL SHOW UP!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-18-03 03:18 PM   #166 
  - Ummmm  mkregel   Aug-18-03 03:05 PM   #162 
  - PLEASE LET THIS PIECE OF REPUB FAVORING PROPAGANDA DIE  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-18-03 03:47 PM   #169 
  - I read in another post that you are taking a leave  mitchtv   Aug-18-03 04:02 PM   #173 
  - Reality sets in. I'd like Davis to resign  JackSwift   Aug-19-03 03:13 AM   #179 
     - ``Vote no recall, yes for Bustamante.''  Rhiannon12866   Aug-19-03 03:52 AM   #180 
        - I am locking this thread.  newyawker99   Aug-19-03 06:57 AM   #181 
 

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