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Sun Aug-17-03 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #76 |
| 80. It was a former general who coined the phrase |
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'military-industrial' complex. Move along with the paranoid nonsense, unless you have some sort of evidence that indicates Clark is a tool of the arms industry.
As for the rest of your post, perhaps your 'little ears' should prick up a little better. How can Clark 'take votes' and 'spoil' in a primary????????. It's foolishness. The more I see the irrational sputterings of Clark's detractors, the more certain I become that he's the right guy at the right time. You know why? Because it's the irrational, the extremists, who have alienated this party from the minds of many mainstream voters. If that crowd is opposing Clark, more rational minds are likely to see what I see.
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| -Clark supporters: Could you tell me why he isn't a "Spoiler." |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 11:57 AM |
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Ralph Nader |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:06 PM |
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How are you so sure he can win? Coming in at this late date when other |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 12:12 PM |
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How are you so sure he can't win? |
mcd1982 |
Aug-17-03 12:16 PM |
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Clinton Started EARLY |
tsipple |
Aug-17-03 12:27 PM |
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I've read on DU many times... |
mcd1982 |
Aug-17-03 12:29 PM |
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Clinton Officially Announced in Late 1991 |
tsipple |
Aug-17-03 12:48 PM |
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Clinton officially anNOUNCed "late" |
TacticalPeak |
Aug-17-03 12:46 PM |
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not only that, |
dfong63 |
Aug-17-03 02:35 PM |
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So? Don't the voters get to decide? |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 03:54 PM |
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Clark is the one who seems to be afraid |
dfong63 |
Aug-19-03 05:46 AM |
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Our Campaigs Are Too Long |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:23 PM |
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They are |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 03:13 PM |
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KoKo...I have to go with you on this one. |
liberalnurse |
Aug-17-03 12:33 PM |
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"I Don't Sense He Is Presidential" |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:41 PM |
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what's lacking in Clark |
dfong63 |
Aug-17-03 03:04 PM |
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Where is it written in the consitution or electoral laws that |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 03:57 PM |
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So....you're saying an "Unknown" with no voting record is better than |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:24 PM |
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bingo |
dfong63 |
Aug-19-03 05:48 AM |
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i think that lack is a plus ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 04:04 PM |
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Pepperbelly....what was Ike's role in "Mobilization?" |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:33 PM |
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i was responding to dfong above ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 06:54 PM |
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If it's too late for him to get the nomination, who is he hurting? |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 03:51 PM |
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If he's running as the "Military alternative to Bush in his Flight Suit" |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 10:23 PM |
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A good general picks the battle, the time, and the place. |
alfredo |
Aug-17-03 06:45 PM |
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He's getting the money from people like me |
Nashyra |
Aug-17-03 07:29 PM |
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No such thing |
bicentennial_baby |
Aug-17-03 12:13 PM |
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Thanks! |
Brazosboomer |
Aug-17-03 12:17 PM |
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Don't forget to also give money to... |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:00 PM |
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Hummm..... |
Brazosboomer |
Aug-17-03 12:13 PM |
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Ab-so-lutely...watching him hammer the Hammer was delish! |
TacticalPeak |
Aug-17-03 12:34 PM |
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I'm not a Clark supporter, but... |
GOPFighter |
Aug-17-03 12:15 PM |
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I Don't Think Popularity Or Military Experience Is Something |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:18 PM |
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Bush had little experience |
mzpip |
Aug-17-03 12:32 PM |
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The Texas Lege |
mcd1982 |
Aug-17-03 12:33 PM |
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Bush Won* Because He Had A Pedigree |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:47 PM |
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Ditto. |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:02 PM |
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He certainly spoils it for Lieberman and that's good enough for me |
John_H |
Aug-17-03 12:21 PM |
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Too Early to Tell |
tsipple |
Aug-17-03 12:25 PM |
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What If Graham And Edwards Drop Out |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:34 PM |
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The "General" and "Doctor" titles seem rather fawning to me |
roughsatori |
Aug-17-03 12:26 PM |
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d'accord |
clar |
Aug-17-03 12:33 PM |
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I Give The Good Doctor And The General |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 12:38 PM |
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I am a Dean supporter |
roughsatori |
Aug-17-03 12:51 PM |
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Senator, etc.? |
RichV |
Aug-17-03 12:36 PM |
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No it does not bother me when elected officials use that title. |
roughsatori |
Aug-17-03 12:43 PM |
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I do agree with that .... |
Trajan |
Aug-17-03 12:41 PM |
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The only title I'll revere for any of these dems is "BUSHWHACKER". n/t |
TacticalPeak |
Aug-17-03 12:57 PM |
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I see your point. I don't refer to General Clark as, "The General.." |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:04 PM |
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A spoiler to whom? Come on, KoKo, LOL. |
tjdee |
Aug-17-03 12:35 PM |
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tj, which of the guys behind his ad is a Repuglican? I saw Bob Bekel's |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 12:54 PM |
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Oh...I mean the "Draft Clark" guys. |
tjdee |
Aug-17-03 12:57 PM |
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Bob Beckel Was Walter Mondale's 1984 Campaign Manager |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 01:02 PM |
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Yes! Beckel was a good guy.......that's why I asked t.j. didn't know who |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 05:31 PM |
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Kerry? A couple of weeks ago, a poster said.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:26 PM |
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At the very least, you could enjoy his cheap shots at Tom Delay |
VolcanoJen |
Aug-17-03 12:50 PM |
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no cheap shots, Jen ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 12:57 PM |
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What Did HST |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 01:04 PM |
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HST didn't say it, but he probably *would have.* |
VolcanoJen |
Aug-17-03 02:09 PM |
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you're absolutely right, they were in no way "cheap" |
VolcanoJen |
Aug-17-03 02:05 PM |
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he did the unforgivable for the media goons ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 03:47 PM |
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So! You've finally decided! BTW,,, |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:18 PM |
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Okay... |
mcd1982 |
Aug-17-03 12:50 PM |
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Because |
Trek234 |
Aug-17-03 10:39 PM |
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no... |
Dookus |
Aug-17-03 11:09 PM |
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I have finally decided that Wesley is, by far, the best possible ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 12:55 PM |
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Too early for anyone to be a Spoiler! |
Wickster |
Aug-17-03 12:57 PM |
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everyone's a spoiler at this point |
Hamlette |
Aug-17-03 01:04 PM |
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he's only a spoiler if he runs outside the party. |
samsingh |
Aug-17-03 01:05 PM |
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There it is. You nail it, samsingh. |
TacticalPeak |
Aug-17-03 01:16 PM |
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Because he's going to run for the Democratic nomination |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 01:37 PM |
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I could have *sworn* that one of the Draft Clark guys was GOP. |
tjdee |
Aug-17-03 01:42 PM |
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Yeah, that's right--Josh Margulies |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 02:04 PM |
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Thanks--and there are other people at the Draft Wesley Clark site. |
tjdee |
Aug-17-03 02:09 PM |
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Agree t.j. They may not be DLC.....but they aren't "Left like Me!" |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:37 PM |
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I agree w. your republican friend. |
TheBigGuy |
Aug-17-03 04:06 PM |
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Honestly, |
pbl |
Aug-17-03 01:40 PM |
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what's the difference... |
grasswire |
Aug-17-03 02:29 PM |
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Dark House Was A Pretty Good Song |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 02:46 PM |
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I'm giving "big bucks" to the Clark campaign and people like me. |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 03:44 PM |
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Hey,Kahuna, you can't be sure he's a Deanie |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 03:51 PM |
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Hi tameszu... |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:23 PM |
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S'OK |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 06:45 PM |
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But Clark's supporters are all....lawyers....um....military people....er.. |
tjdee |
Aug-17-03 04:07 PM |
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I am a supporter and I am a Union member |
Nashyra |
Aug-17-03 07:39 PM |
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I'm not a Deanie.......but I donated to him. I'm undecided but leaning |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 08:23 PM |
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Why would he be a spoiler? |
TheBigGuy |
Aug-17-03 04:01 PM |
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Where are the funds coming from |
eleny |
Aug-17-03 04:20 PM |
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"Prune the Bushes.." It's so obvious, yet I'm seeing that phrase.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-17-03 04:33 PM |
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Prune the Bushes |
eleny |
Aug-17-03 05:00 PM |
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Eleny! Have you heard Eisenhauer's Quote: "Beware the Military Industrial |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 05:29 PM |
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It was a former general who coined the phrase |
BillyBunter |
Aug-17-03 05:48 PM |
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Billy Bunter, here's an interesting article from "Forbes" for you........ |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:50 PM |
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Sorry KOKO! but.... |
eleny |
Aug-17-03 07:27 PM |
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He should have announced |
loyalsister |
Aug-17-03 04:54 PM |
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I'm not sure it's too late for him to win |
diplomats |
Aug-17-03 05:29 PM |
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"Many people think the Dems are wimpy on security/defense issues" |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-17-03 07:11 PM |
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Are most of you posting here, former Military? I'm trying to understand |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 05:35 PM |
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read some of the other threads and maybe you will see ... |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 05:58 PM |
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"Pepperbelly" are you saying a "Strong Man" is what you want? Someone to |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:31 PM |
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what are you smoking? |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 06:51 PM |
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ROFL, Pepperbelly..........Military Man......Strong Man.......Straw Man... |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:58 PM |
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if you had read my thread re: changing my avatar and |
Pepperbelly |
Aug-17-03 07:04 PM |
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I just read your link......thanks. I understand why you would want some |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 07:50 PM |
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IMHO |
Pastiche423 |
Aug-17-03 07:00 PM |
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IMHO... |
eleny |
Aug-17-03 07:44 PM |
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Wonder about what? |
BillyBunter |
Aug-17-03 10:38 PM |
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Not former military |
sparosnare |
Aug-17-03 06:35 PM |
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The reason that Clark isn't a "spoiler"- |
MiltonLeBerle |
Aug-17-03 06:38 PM |
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Yup |
Proletariat |
Aug-17-03 06:38 PM |
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Well, Milton, when someone on this tread finally tells me why he's best |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 06:54 PM |
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Why don't we wait |
sparosnare |
Aug-17-03 07:04 PM |
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Hi Koko. |
chaska |
Aug-17-03 07:07 PM |
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But again--a spoiler to WHOM? |
tjdee |
Aug-17-03 07:14 PM |
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Candidates running in the South Carolina primary.....for one! |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 07:18 PM |
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For Koko--why he isn't a spoiler |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 07:54 PM |
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Do you vote in this country? |
Pastiche423 |
Aug-17-03 08:09 PM |
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Yes, Pastiche, I vote in this country. |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 08:18 PM |
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Heh, Koko, that may have been for me... |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 08:26 PM |
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So, if you don't vote in this country |
Pastiche423 |
Aug-17-03 08:51 PM |
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Is someone trying to say something to me? |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 11:13 PM |
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Koko, I know you vote in this country, dear |
Pastiche423 |
Aug-17-03 08:35 PM |
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tameszu, you're the first Clark supporter who has told me exactly why you |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 08:11 PM |
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Uh, I don't understand your definition of a "spoiler" |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 08:24 PM |
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A candidate who comes in at the last minute and by appealing to an angry |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 08:40 PM |
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Hmm... |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 11:07 PM |
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My reasons |
RatTerrier |
Aug-17-03 09:09 PM |
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Thanks, RatTerrier, for explaining your postion....I'm much more liberal |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 09:48 PM |
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Better? Because he can win. |
Clark Can WIN |
Aug-17-03 08:10 PM |
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Hmmmm.... |
eleny |
Aug-17-03 07:56 PM |
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Eleny.....I would like to have some voting record, personally. Why should |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 08:03 PM |
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I love that DU is becoming so philosophical |
tameszu |
Aug-17-03 08:07 PM |
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Ah......not looking for "absolutes." But "patterns." Clark is "unknown." |
KoKo01 |
Aug-17-03 08:16 PM |
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Before I go watch Ann Richard's on Larry King.... |
eleny |
Aug-17-03 08:09 PM |
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CNN ticker, 'War executed on false assumptions'. This broke on the DU |
dArKeR |
Aug-17-03 07:15 PM |
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Who is paying for the Clark ads? |
VoteClark |
Aug-17-03 08:32 PM |
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I don't support Clark |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-17-03 08:40 PM |
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Clark's appeal is that he has the qualities to win. |
snyttri |
Aug-17-03 09:17 PM |
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Give me a break |
jiacinto |
Aug-17-03 09:50 PM |
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exactly right, jiacinto.... |
Dookus |
Aug-17-03 11:11 PM |
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He's a candidate, not a spoiler |
Democat |
Aug-17-03 09:50 PM |
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Clark is a candidate? |
Pastiche423 |
Aug-17-03 10:05 PM |
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good point (nt) |
Fescue4u |
Aug-19-03 12:45 AM |
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If We Care About America |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Aug-17-03 10:23 PM |
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Currently, I have pledged $500... |
familydoctor |
Aug-17-03 10:29 PM |
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Im not a support of Clark, |
Fescue4u |
Aug-19-03 04:23 PM |
#145 |