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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:18 PM
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94. I have perspective.....I've voted for him
But methinks you are just being as selective in why you are praising Byrd as those who focus on his KKK past are in demeaning him.

Yes, he's against Bush and the war in Iraq. That's one moment in a forty-year career.

One thing that bothers me about DU is that it is becoming so W-centric that we are losing all perspective. Byrd is an accomplished senator and a fascinating individual. But he in no way, shape or form should be some sort of liberal icon. He was in Klan in the 40s, against civil rights in the 60s, against environmental regs in the 80s, and doesn't care much for gays or atheists. So, yes, I agree...some perspective is definately in order.

I've always felt that my votes for Byrd have been among the most cynical I've ever cast. A true progressive would have a difficult time making a case for him. But he brings home the pork to the state and he entertains me. But I have no delusions of what he is.
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  -What's up with Robert Byrd & the KKK? jayavarman  Jun-15-04 03:04 PM   #0 
  - Yes, it is for real... but he renounced the KKK a long time ago...  arcos   Jun-15-04 03:05 PM   #1 
  - He was a member in his 20's...  phillybri   Jun-15-04 03:06 PM   #2 
  - He was briefly a member in 1946  bluestateguy   Jun-15-04 03:07 PM   #3 
  - "a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds," he wrote.  WilliamPitt   Jun-15-04 03:07 PM   #4 
  - It doesn't take long for Byrd trashers to turn up just trying to diss his  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 03:07 PM   #5 
  - Didn't even know he had a book.  jayavarman   Jun-15-04 03:15 PM   #8 
  - What's clear is your co-worker hates freedom  stavka   Jun-15-04 04:46 PM   #40 
  - You could have googled for your questions, 'eh?  0007   Jun-15-04 07:47 PM   #92 
  - Read post #4  WilliamPitt   Jun-15-04 03:17 PM   #9 
     - Why don't we drive him out of the Senate on a rail, then. He doesn't  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 04:08 PM   #24 
     - Well, because we reward those who exercise the choice to change. n/t  Just Me   Jun-15-04 04:49 PM   #43 
     - A little excitable?  theboss   Jun-15-04 06:57 PM   #74 
     - lame  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 04:31 PM   # 
     - I understand that  WilliamPitt   Jun-15-04 04:49 PM   #45 
        - I admire him for taking responsibility for his mistakes,...  Just Me   Jun-15-04 08:38 PM   #100 
     - Thanks for the article.  FleshCartoon   Jun-15-04 07:16 PM   #79 
  - He was in the KKK during part of the 40's  cjbuchanan   Jun-15-04 03:11 PM   #6 
  - It sounds like a bit of a whitewash....I recall reading he was a Grand....  formernaderite   Jun-15-04 03:24 PM   #14 
  - There is a lot of different information out there  cjbuchanan   Jun-15-04 03:55 PM   #21 
  - He is correct in his statement. I grew up in the South. West Virginia  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 04:14 PM   #26 
  - I absolutely agree with that--no question. (n/t)  FleshCartoon   Jun-15-04 07:18 PM   #81 
  - I did have relatives grow up then  theboss   Jun-15-04 07:28 PM   #84 
     - Byrd maybe was more "questioning" than your relatives. Maybe a rebel?  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 07:54 PM   #93 
     - I have perspective.....I've voted for him  theboss   Jun-15-04 08:18 PM   #94 
        - Well...would you go with a "Ronald Reagan for the Left?" Would that make  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 08:27 PM   #96 
     - I haven't had a perfect life either  Yupster   Jun-15-04 11:19 PM   #119 
  - People would have you believe that the 1940's  Yupster   Jun-15-04 11:17 PM   #118 
  - At least Byrd renounced his former views on that.  Lex   Jun-15-04 03:14 PM   #7 
  - I dunno....  DoNotRefill   Jun-15-04 03:46 PM   #19 
     - Oh Pooh!  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 04:22 PM   #29 
     - in Winnie???? Or poo as in  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 04:34 PM   #33 
     - yeah right, cuz you hang out with him in private  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 04:52 PM   #47 
        - I met him once in a recreational situation....  DoNotRefill   Jun-15-04 06:20 PM   #69 
           - He told me you are making this meeting up. n/t  Lex   Jun-15-04 07:34 PM   #86 
              - That's all well and good.  DoNotRefill   Jun-15-04 08:55 PM   #105 
  - Some of his opponents continued to support the KKK.  NRK   Jun-15-04 03:18 PM   #10 
  - I believe...  deseo   Jun-15-04 03:20 PM   #11 
  - When Byrd was young and foolish, he was young and foolish.  recidivist   Jun-15-04 03:22 PM   #12 
  - I agree with 95 percent of what you are saying  theboss   Jun-15-04 07:01 PM   #75 
  - What the father said to his good son about his prodigal son.  Hoping4Change   Jun-15-04 03:22 PM   #13 
  - Amen  trumad   Jun-15-04 03:26 PM   #15 
  - Many southern GOP legislators have KKK roots or relations.  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 03:29 PM   #16 
  - Not sure about that  Blue Wally   Jun-15-04 04:03 PM   #23 
     - Many Southern "Gentlemen" are Closet Klansmen...  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 04:26 PM   #30 
     - You know before you go and accuse all Southern families of  Ripley   Jun-15-04 04:35 PM   #34 
     - I am a Southerner, as I assume are you...and agree there are "closet"  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 04:42 PM   #37 
     - I agree. People do change.  Ripley   Jun-15-04 04:47 PM   #41 
     - That's true, and whatever views one might have about the Klan...  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 05:01 PM   #54 
        - A lot of the racists have left the South....  DoNotRefill   Jun-15-04 08:59 PM   #107 
     - First, I don't hate anyone... we are all human and make grievous mistakes  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 04:53 PM   #48 
        - Changing your story.  Ripley   Jun-15-04 04:54 PM   #49 
           - See my previous post that Southern "Gentlemen" referred to...  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 05:04 PM   #57 
              - What does this mean?  Ripley   Jun-15-04 05:08 PM   #61 
                 - I was elaborating on my original post about GOP legislators...  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 05:15 PM   #64 
                    - The Klan was always more closely associated with Dems than Republicans  theboss   Jun-15-04 07:05 PM   #76 
                       - Yep and Strom Thurmond was once a Democrat...  indigobusiness   Jun-15-04 07:43 PM   #90 
     - Yes it was  Blue Wally   Jun-15-04 08:33 PM   #97 
     - The Klan WAS respectable and mainstream.....  DoNotRefill   Jun-15-04 08:57 PM   #106 
     - what respectable folks?  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 04:58 PM   #53 
  - there was a SCOTUS justice in the 40s/50s who  bobbieinok   Jun-15-04 03:42 PM   #17 
  - That would have been Hugo Black.  pnorman   Jun-16-04 07:21 AM   #124 
  - Its just like Kerry,  I thought so.   Jun-15-04 03:45 PM   #18 
  - comparing the KKK to skull & bones is a little much  Caution   Jun-15-04 03:59 PM   #22 
  - Skull & Bones has some redeeming features.  Hoping4Change   Jun-15-04 04:15 PM   #27 
  - Agree, I'd rather be  Yupster   Jun-15-04 11:26 PM   #120 
  - Agree....we must overlook Kerry's campaign operatives statements, because  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 07:17 PM   #80 
  - I must mention...  Kanary   Jun-15-04 03:53 PM   #20 
  - And another posting today...  BiggJawn   Jun-15-04 04:48 PM   #42 
     - ???? Don't know if this was directed at me????  Kanary   Jun-15-04 06:36 PM   #70 
        - It wasn't.  BiggJawn   Jun-15-04 10:42 PM   #113 
           - OK, couldn't figure out how my post set you off..  Kanary   Jun-15-04 10:57 PM   #116 
  - I wonder why someone would start a smear thread on Byrd  Robbien   Jun-15-04 04:13 PM   #25 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-04 04:19 PM   #28 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-04 04:31 PM   #32 
  - I agree  Tomee450   Jun-15-04 06:54 PM   #72 
  - It will all be clear at the great unmasking on election day  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 04:28 PM   #31 
  - I know Cheswick....I have my list of "suspects." I hope I'm wrong, though  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 05:31 PM   #67 
     - If Bush wins they'll(trolls)will be at the KKKKeg parties at their ......  Hubert Flottz   Jun-15-04 07:20 PM   #82 
        - ROFL! Too True! n/t  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 08:37 PM   #99 
  - He was in the KKK, and no excuses or voting record will change it  Township75   Jun-15-04 04:37 PM   #35 
  - any German over the age of 70  stavka   Jun-15-04 04:43 PM   #38 
  - I'll take a different democrat...  Township75   Jun-15-04 04:49 PM   #44 
     - Certainly not going to argue with that....  stavka   Jun-15-04 05:07 PM   #60 
     - It's not Byrd's voting record that has kept him in office  theboss   Jun-15-04 07:08 PM   #77 
  - STONE HIM....KILL HIM...Drive him out of the Party! He's just Zell in  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 04:43 PM   #39 
  - Where in this thread did anyone even come close to saying that?  WilliamPitt   Jun-15-04 04:50 PM   #46 
  - shun him scorn him put a big R on his clothing  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 04:57 PM   #51 
  - Oh I am sorry Jesus, I mistook you for a human  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 04:55 PM   #50 
  - Hah.  Ripley   Jun-15-04 04:58 PM   #52 
  - Yup, but I think there is another motive at play here  Cheswick   Jun-15-04 05:03 PM   #55 
  - Are you referring to me?  Township75   Jun-15-04 05:06 PM   #59 
  - Was that your response...  Township75   Jun-15-04 05:03 PM   #56 
     - Yeah, Strom and Trent vote so Progressively!  Ripley   Jun-15-04 05:05 PM   #58 
        - No, I don't.  Township75   Jun-15-04 05:10 PM   #62 
           - What, are you accusing Byrd of lynching people now?  Ripley   Jun-15-04 05:14 PM   #63 
              - Knowing Byrd pretty damn well, you are really overselling his record  theboss   Jun-15-04 07:11 PM   #78 
                 - Given his constiuency in WVA....I would say like Rockefeller...he needs  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 07:36 PM   #87 
                 - What Byrd is best known for.....  Blue Wally   Jun-15-04 08:44 PM   #102 
  - Well I am black  Tomee450   Jun-15-04 06:43 PM   #71 
     - Thanks much for your comments.  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 07:30 PM   #85 
        - It's amazing  Tomee450   Jun-15-04 09:50 PM   #110 
  - If Byrd Were Still a Racist,  ribofunk   Jun-15-04 04:41 PM   #36 
  - He used to be a bigot. He has since apologized  TexasSissy   Jun-15-04 05:18 PM   #65 
  - former klansmen  Kipepeo   Jun-15-04 05:56 PM   #68 
  - Byrd's bio...  theHandpuppet   Jun-15-04 05:26 PM   #66 
  - we don't all have family members who  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 06:54 PM   #73 
     - I don't think Handpuppet meant...  FleshCartoon   Jun-15-04 07:27 PM   #83 
     - Thank you....  theHandpuppet   Jun-15-04 07:41 PM   #89 
     - I think you misinterpreted my post....  theHandpuppet   Jun-15-04 07:37 PM   #88 
     - I apologize if I read you wrong, "Handpuppet." I felt you were trying to  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 07:44 PM   #91 
        - No prob...  theHandpuppet   Jun-15-04 10:14 PM   #112 
     - KoKo, I've followed many of your posts for a long time,  Kanary   Jun-15-04 08:35 PM   #98 
        - Kanary...I've been here for a long assume much that maybe leaves  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 08:44 PM   #103 
           - KoKo, many of us come to DU because we *trust* info here  Kanary   Jun-15-04 09:07 PM   #109 
  - What's Up?? This: "Byrd lambastes Bush in book"...  Junkdrawer   Jun-15-04 08:19 PM   #95 
  - Yup, its true....but.....  Yacko   Jun-15-04 08:41 PM   #101 
  - For "Newbies" who read down this far, a link to Senator Byrd's Website  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 08:49 PM   #104 
  - KoKo, Byrd's putting out a new book and the WH is in Richard Clarke mode..  Junkdrawer   Jun-15-04 09:05 PM   #108 
  - Thanks, the title is interesting: "Losing America: Confronting a Reckless  KoKo01   Jun-15-04 10:03 PM   #111 
     - LOL, I heard someone refer to the walking anal cyst as "el Drugbo"...  Junkdrawer   Jun-16-04 06:31 AM   #123 
  - Surely you don't think...  FleshCartoon   Jun-15-04 10:43 PM   #114 
  - Headline SELECTED for DU Dissention  UTUSN   Jun-15-04 10:47 PM   #115 
  - Youre thinking of Trent Lott and Bob Barr, probably Reagan and his ilk  tinanator   Jun-15-04 11:02 PM   # 
  - I find all these "innocent question" threads disturbing too...  mellowinman   Jun-15-04 11:02 PM   #117 
  - Do any of the posters here watch C-Span2?  nomatrix   Jun-16-04 01:09 AM   #121 
  - Byrd has matured into a wonderful Senator. Listen to his messages  opihimoimoi   Jun-16-04 02:08 AM   #122 
  - Locking.....  Moderator   Jun-16-04 07:26 AM   #125 

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