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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 02:13 PM
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17. Yeah, it was a pretty big scam

If you would care to inform yourself you can read up on it here:

The Cold War as Ideological Construct
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/dd/dd-c01-s01.html

versus

The Cold War as a Historical Process
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/dd/dd-c01-s05.html


snip:
The great event of the current era is commonly taken to be the end of the Cold War, and the great question before us therefore is: What comes next? To answer this question, we have to begin by clarifying what the Cold War has been. There are two ways to approach this prior question. One is simply to accept the conventional interpretation; the second is to look at the historical facts. As is often the case, the two approaches yield rather different answers.
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  -Did We the People win the Cold War (through our culture) or did Raygun? ChavezSpeakstheTruth  Jun-10-04 02:01 PM   #0 
  - the CIA and the shitty Soviet economy did it  Kilroy003   Jun-10-04 02:03 PM   #1 
  - We made them spend into bankruptcy  cheezus   Jun-10-04 02:04 PM   #2 
  - Soft Power had something to do with it.  Zynx   Jun-10-04 02:08 PM   #6 
  - They were ready to fall before Ronnie mortgaged our  Warpy   Jun-10-04 02:10 PM   #12 
     - If everyone knew that the USSR was set to collapse--  John BigBootay   Jun-10-04 02:45 PM   #36 
        - The CIA had said it  Warpy   Jun-10-04 02:55 PM   #39 
        - "I'm sure Carter knew it. " example?  John BigBootay   Jun-10-04 03:03 PM   #41 
        - Thing was, no one did know it was coming...  Leprechan29   Jun-11-04 03:48 AM   #46 
  - the cold war was a scam for the most part  el_gato   Jun-10-04 02:05 PM   #3 
  - thats a pretty big scam  Kilroy003   Jun-10-04 02:08 PM   # 
  - Exactly!  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jun-10-04 02:10 PM   #11 
     - Yeah, it was a pretty big scam  el_gato   Jun-10-04 02:13 PM   #17 
        - el-gato, as your avatar suggests you fly in the face of conventional  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jun-10-04 02:21 PM   #23 
           - Thanks CST  el_gato   Jun-10-04 02:23 PM   #24 
  - What do you mean by  Leprechan29   Jun-10-04 02:08 PM   #9 
     - Read my post number 17  el_gato   Jun-10-04 02:14 PM   #19 
  - If 'culture' includes technology  Kilroy003   Jun-10-04 02:06 PM   #4 
  - It was...(drum roll)  Leprechan29   Jun-10-04 02:07 PM   #5 
  - you're exactly right. and reply #7 as well  WMliberal   Jun-10-04 02:21 PM   #22 
     - That's become apparent  Leprechan29   Jun-11-04 03:42 AM   #45 
  - Nobody  DNA   Jun-10-04 02:08 PM   #7 
  - Reagan's confrotational ideas could have been a disaster.  Zynx   Jun-10-04 02:11 PM   #15 
  - But do you think our culture and art and music had a part to play?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jun-10-04 02:12 PM   #16 
     - only in the context of  WMliberal   Jun-10-04 02:26 PM   #26 
        - good point. I am wondering now - does my thread show that we are  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jun-10-04 02:48 PM   #37 
  - Nobody actually "won" anything.  asthmaticeog   Jun-10-04 02:08 PM   #8 
  - a good question...  FattyMcCraigs   Jun-10-04 02:10 PM   #10 
  - Reagan did NOT "win the Cold War"  Skittles   Jun-10-04 02:11 PM   #13 
  - Middle East war and economic collapse killed the USSR  DemsUnite   Jun-10-04 02:11 PM   #14 
  - No Shit!  Kilroy003   Jun-10-04 02:29 PM   #27 
     - We're next if we don't get Bu$h out n/t  JellyBean1   Jun-10-04 02:44 PM   #35 
        - After we unseat GW  Kilroy003   Jun-10-04 02:51 PM   #38 
  - The Soviet Union was already starting to implode in earnest...  GainesT1958   Jun-10-04 02:13 PM   #18 
  - The point is that the US did not want the Cold War(tm) to end.  bemildred   Jun-10-04 02:17 PM   #20 
  - great point.  WMliberal   Jun-10-04 02:29 PM   #28 
  - My summary  FoeOfBush   Jun-10-04 02:19 PM   #21 
  - Don't forget to include  daa   Jun-10-04 02:25 PM   #25 
  - Why does * insist that star wars still needs to be explored?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jun-10-04 02:32 PM   #29 
  - The policies of Jimmy Carter after Afganistan was invaded  ArkDem   Jun-10-04 02:33 PM   #30 
  - The Chinese won the Cold War  RBHam   Jun-10-04 02:34 PM   #31 
  - I don't think it was our culture or Raygun  JellyBean1   Jun-10-04 02:37 PM   #32 
  - I give Lech Walesa and Solidarnosc the bulk of the credit  Alpharetta   Jun-10-04 02:39 PM   #33 
  - I totally think it was really Lech who won the war!!  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jun-10-04 02:42 PM   #34 
  - Lech wrote in the WSJ  daa   Jun-11-04 09:53 AM   #47 
  - hey now. don't leave out  WMliberal   Jun-10-04 03:02 PM   #40 
  - They went broke. Had nothing to do with Reagan.  leesa   Jun-10-04 03:10 PM   #42 
  - Gorbachev ended the Cold War.  robertpaulsen   Jun-10-04 03:12 PM   #43 
  - Is China part of the Cold War? Tiannemen Square?  EndElectoral   Jun-10-04 03:13 PM   #44 
 

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