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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 11:46 AM
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115. I knew this would come in handy
from previous DU threads (I think) about Title IX ... bold emphasis is mine.
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Football needs to start making Title IX sacrifices
June 12, 2002
By Dennis Dodd
SportsLine.com Senior Writer

<snip>
The wrestling coaches have a point. College
administrators have been lazy over the years, axing
men's scholarships and programs in order to comply
with Title IX. It's the easy way out. Those college
administrators have acted first out of fear,
intimidation and/or ignorance rather than a
well-reasoned examination of Title IX.

When it comes to keeping an athletic department
afloat, athletic directors almost always will take the
path of least resistance. That's why baseball and
wrestling have been particular targets in recent
years. Hundreds of programs have been cut in order to
free up scholarships for new women's programs.

That's why Texas is in the College World Series this
week with Alan Bomer, a transfer pitcher from Iowa
State, which cut its program. It's also why
land-locked Kansas State has a rowing team for women.
College athletics has twisted and rearranged itself in
strange ways, all because of Title IX.

All because of football.

That's right, college football. There likely would be
no lawsuit and certainly less controversy if football
wasn't the nerd in the punch bowl. ADs won't say it,
but those 85 Division I-A scholarships are a witch
when it comes to gender equity. They count against
Title IX requirements, and there is no comparable
women's sport to balance them out.


Still, football is left untouched on its exclusive,
private island. Name, if you can, the number of the
117 I-A programs that have cut one football
scholarship in order to get in compliance with Title
IX.

That number would be zero.

That's because football is the gold standard. It's not
to be touched, even in regard to Title IX. Football
coaches routinely pull down at least $1 million a
year. Their coaching staffs are needlessly large.
Recruiting budgets approach the GNP of third-world
countries.


Football can't be touched because of the gold it
produces. Football runs through the veins of this
country and athletic departments. A BCS bowl berth can
be a windfall. Boosters get their identity from State
U. Winning and losing in football has a direct effect
on fund raising. It is a cycle that keeps feeding on
itself.

Isn't it worth it, then, to keep the monster as
healthy as possible? To a point. The swimmers,
baseball players and wrestlers are no less athletes
than football players, but they are perceived as less
important when the Title IX is put against an athletic
director's head.


The easy way out is still to ax a couple of men's
minor sports. They don't produce money anyway. Taken
to its extreme, then, Title IX compliance should mean
cutting virtually all the minor sports. Athletic
departments could succeed sponsoring only football and
men's and women's basketball. Throw in a couple of
rowing teams, some equestrian, and it's all equal
Title IX-wise.

Sound good?

No. No one wants that, but that's how college
administrators have interpreted Title IX. Instead of
building women's opportunities, they are robbing Peter
to pay Paula.
It will continue unless the wild-eyed
women's advocates, bull-headed football supporters and
skittish ADs get together and stop the craziness.

There is a solution, or progress toward a solution. It
will require some hard swallowing, but here goes:

Cut 20 football scholarships and two assistant coaches
across the board in I-A. Redistribute the money to
minor sports overall and women's opportunities in
particular.

The first cry will be that men's scholarships are
still being lost. No, football scholarships are being
lost. Other programs are being saved. Football lives
on as healthy as ever, while the athletic department
grows and diversifies.


Thirty years ago, there basically were no scholarship
limitations in football. Coaches started to cry foul
when the NCAA first cut to, gasp, 120 scholarships per
program. They cried louder when the number went to 95,
88 and, now, 85.

That's crying wolf a bit too often. Despite those
"drastic" cuts, college football couldn't be more
popular. Despite the nay sayers, the BCS is a hit where
it counts -- television, athletic department budgets
and ticket sales. The SEC and Big 12 combined paid out
$172 million to member schools this academic year.

<snip>

The 20 scholarships would be doubly valuable. If the
program stayed the same size (I-A programs average
more than 100 players), then those 20 scholarships
would suddenly become more walk-ons, paying tuition
instead of sucking it out of the university on free
rides.

<snip>

Because of the confusion, innuendo means a lot.
Women's advocates are concerned the Department of
Justice moved to dismiss the wrestling coaches' suit
not on its merits but on legal technicalities.

To the Women's Sports Foundation, National Women's Law
Center and others, this is frightening. They have
asked concerned parties to contact their congressmen,
asking them to keep Title IX in place. Because of
Justice s court maneuver, they worry that a revision
of Title IX is coming from the Bush Administration.

They have reason. The chief speech writer for U.S.
Attorney General John Ashcroft, Jessica Gavora, has
criticized Title IX in a new book, saying it promotes
quotas and wrecks men's minor sports.

Maybe Gavora has a heck of a point. No wonder ADs run
for the latest machete at even a hint of the Title IX
challenge. The easy way out is as unfair to men as the
pre-Title IX days were to women. The best way is to
get creative. Market, fund raise, survey. The riskiest
way is to go to trial, where a jury could de construct
a whole athletic department.

But that's the problem, isn't it? To do that would
invite lawyers, and to do that muddies the waters of a
very confusing law. Title IX definition and
enforcement changes from administration to
administration. The poorly written law provides for a
wide interpretation and empowers athletic bozos.

<snip>
Football is sitting there, fat and on its throne like
Jabba the Hutt. To the satisfaction of all parties,
might we recommend a quick weight-loss program?

------------------------------------------------------------------------


Op/Ed - USA TODAY
Schools pamper football, punt on women's sports
Thu Jan 2, 7:12 AM ET


Come Friday's national championship game, college
football fans will have had a chance to feast on a
record 28 bowl games this holiday season. Sponsors
will have doled out more than $80 million to
participating teams and conferences.

With so many players taking the field and so much
money following them, sports fans might be puzzled by
some boosters' complaints that men's intercollegiate
programs are in trouble.


Yet, that's the claim critics are using to attack a
1972 law that requires colleges to provide equal
opportunities to women, including athletes. Detractors
of Title IX claim it is squeezing out men's sports.


<snip>


What the critics won't acknowledge is that the biggest
drain on athletic budgets isn't women's sports but
football, with 80- to 100-man squads (twice the size
of NFL teams) and fat salaries for coaches.

<snip>

Contrary to opponents' claims, adding opportunities
for women need not hurt men. A 2001 government study
found that 72% of colleges and universities added
women's programs without cutting men's sports.



Critics who blame women's sports and the federal law
for eliminating men's athletic opportunities are
shooting at the wrong target. Athletic departments too
obsessed with bowl games to consider creative ways to
provide opportunities for women created their own
problems.


Watering down the law would reward their bad behavior.

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  -Why is the Left against Title IX reform? Mr. Blonde  Jun-08-04 08:46 PM   #0 
  - Why are you for it?  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 08:47 PM   #1 
  - I am a wrestler  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 08:55 PM   #4 
     - So  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:03 PM   #7 
     - I'm afraid it is  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:10 PM   #9 
        - That's what title 9 did.  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:14 PM   #12 
           - I do not mean  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:18 PM   #17 
              - Even avoiding the way schools manipulate  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:24 PM   #20 
                 - Being college aged  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:30 PM   #22 
                    - No  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:39 PM   #24 
                       - I will take your word for it n/t  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:44 PM   #29 
     - And that has to do with title IX how?  DrWeird   Jun-08-04 09:10 PM   #10 
     - wrestling  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:14 PM   #11 
        - Yeah, because nobody like it.  DrWeird   Jun-08-04 09:18 PM   #16 
           - somehow  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:22 PM   #18 
              - somehow  DrWeird   Jun-08-04 09:42 PM   #27 
                 - And what is it  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:45 PM   #30 
     - Several weeks ago my daughter was looking at my junior high yr. book  Pattib   Jun-08-04 09:47 PM   #32 
     - Please  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:50 PM   #34 
     - some schools have opted to curtail programs that have HIGH liability  salin   Jun-08-04 10:03 PM   #42 
     - I have no  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:12 PM   #49 
     - I was a wrestler.  trag   Jun-08-04 11:34 PM   #75 
  - I oppose changes because women's sports matter to me.  David Dunham   Jun-08-04 08:51 PM   #2 
  - whoops  DrWeird   Jun-08-04 09:16 PM   #13 
  - What is your specific beef with it?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jun-08-04 08:54 PM   #3 
  - As above  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 08:56 PM   #5 
  - If a shool needs to have an equal number of  Yupster   Jun-08-04 09:33 PM   #23 
     - Indeed  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:40 PM   #25 
     - So,  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:46 PM   #31 
     - So, your entire argument  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:43 PM   #28 
     - I took  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:48 PM   #33 
        - Please show me where I said  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:53 PM   #36 
           - what  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:55 PM   #38 
              - Start with the fact that  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 09:57 PM   #40 
                 - But how much  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:04 PM   #44 
     - yes that is right  Cheswick   Jun-08-04 10:56 PM   #57 
     - Well I for one will be happy to offer a solution  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jun-09-04 10:08 AM   #112 
  - It's up to the school to fund the programs...  punpirate   Jun-08-04 09:02 PM   #6 
  - My specific schools wrestling program is very safe  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:09 PM   #8 
     - Hold on  tkmorris   Jun-08-04 09:17 PM   #15 
     - When I was there on a recruiting trip  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:24 PM   #19 
     - This doesn't surprise me  Piltdown13   Jun-09-04 12:30 AM   #99 
     - so, boo hoo  Cheswick   Jun-08-04 11:00 PM   #59 
     - At the expense  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:03 PM   #62 
        - there is absolutely nothing wrong with that  Cheswick   Jun-08-04 11:06 PM   #63 
           - So  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:08 PM   #65 
              - what don't you understand about the word equality?  Cheswick   Jun-08-04 11:18 PM   #68 
                 - It isn't special consideration  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:26 PM   #70 
                    - 25 years ago  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:35 PM   #76 
                       - I am not  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:40 PM   #78 
                          - You are calling for a return for that  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:50 PM   #84 
                             - No  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:59 PM   #87 
                                - So, you think  Pithlet   Jun-09-04 12:02 AM   #89 
                                   - As I said earlier  Mr. Blonde   Jun-09-04 12:10 AM   #93 
                                   - Your answer  Pithlet   Jun-09-04 12:15 AM   #94 
                                      - You keep saying it isn't  Mr. Blonde   Jun-09-04 12:20 AM   #96 
                                         - Even if what you say is true.  Pithlet   Jun-09-04 12:24 AM   #97 
                                   - Wrestling is one of _very_ few shrinking men's sports.  gbwarming   Jun-09-04 12:27 AM   #98 
     - Still, I think you avoid the issue of football....  punpirate   Jun-09-04 01:14 AM   #106 
  - How many football scholarships does OSU have?  KamaAina   Jun-08-04 09:17 PM   #14 
  - In my recent class  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:27 PM   #21 
     - I thought that scholarships were the issue  Nikia   Jun-08-04 09:50 PM   #35 
        - It would help  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:57 PM   #39 
  - The left does not wish to repeal (reform) Title IX  Senior citizen   Jun-08-04 09:41 PM   #26 
  - That isn't what I meant  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 09:54 PM   #37 
     - There is no "reform"  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 10:00 PM   #41 
        - Then  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:07 PM   #45 
           - How would you do that?  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 10:11 PM   #47 
              - No,  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:18 PM   #50 
                 - You just hit the nail on the head.  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 10:24 PM   #51 
                    - I guess  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:32 PM   #53 
                       - No.  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 10:43 PM   #55 
                          - If  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:58 PM   #58 
                             - Title 9 is completely innocent in the matter.  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:02 PM   #61 
                                - Is it okay  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:08 PM   #64 
                                   - Is it okay  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:16 PM   #67 
                                   - why must  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:22 PM   #69 
                                      - How many times  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:30 PM   #72 
                                         - How much  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:38 PM   #77 
                                            - You're not including  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:46 PM   #81 
                                               - Some of that  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:54 PM   #86 
                                                  - You're not paying attention.  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:59 PM   #88 
                                                  - So nothing  Mr. Blonde   Jun-09-04 12:07 AM   #91 
                                                  - Your link  Pithlet   Jun-09-04 12:20 AM   #95 
                                   - Whoa--watch your jumps in logic  lolly   Jun-08-04 11:30 PM   #73 
                                      - I personally don't like  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:44 PM   #80 
                                      - Why not?  lolly   Jun-08-04 11:54 PM   #85 
                                         - Where  Mr. Blonde   Jun-09-04 12:02 AM   #90 
                                      - I agree  darboy   Jun-09-04 11:14 AM   #114 
  - See I always that college was for education  Peregrine   Jun-08-04 10:04 PM   #43 
  - Then  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:09 PM   #46 
  - I am a leftist that is for reforming it.  Bombtrack   Jun-08-04 10:12 PM   #48 
  - ever since title IX came into force, it has been a target and a scapegoat  bobbieinok   Jun-08-04 10:25 PM   #52 
  - I don't know of any way  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 10:37 PM   #54 
  - I find it hard to believe  Elwood P Dowd   Jun-08-04 10:51 PM   #56 
  - Our Softball Stadium  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:01 PM   #60 
  - So... I guess I'm clueless here..  Caliphoto   Jun-08-04 11:31 PM   #74 
     - What I mean  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:43 PM   #79 
  - This link  Pithlet   Jun-08-04 11:13 PM   #66 
  - Nothing here to change my mind.  Elwood P Dowd   Jun-09-04 12:09 AM   #92 
     - No.  Pithlet   Jun-09-04 12:35 AM   #101 
        - Wrong!  Elwood P Dowd   Jun-09-04 12:46 AM   #102 
           - I don't agree with you  Pithlet   Jun-09-04 12:49 AM   #103 
              - Have fun.  Elwood P Dowd   Jun-09-04 12:58 AM   #104 
  - Yes, that number is off . .  lolly   Jun-08-04 11:50 PM   #83 
     - That is totally off the wall.  Elwood P Dowd   Jun-09-04 12:30 AM   #100 
  - This is a pet issue for Bill O'Lielly..  Caliphoto   Jun-08-04 11:29 PM   #71 
  - There was no  Mr. Blonde   Jun-08-04 11:46 PM   #82 
  - Because the "reformers"  bumbler   Jun-09-04 01:06 AM   #105 
  - So you agree that bloated football programs are the problem...  Bridget Burke   Jun-09-04 01:36 AM   #107 
  - Because it finally included females in our education system  loyalsister   Jun-09-04 02:24 AM   #108 
  - Title IX was not about sports at all, originally.  murielm99   Jun-09-04 04:03 AM   #110 
     - Thank you!!!  loyalsister   Jun-09-04 04:39 AM   #111 
     - Thanks!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jun-09-04 10:10 AM   #113 
  - You just dont get it.  K-W   Jun-09-04 02:33 AM   #109 
  - I knew this would come in handy  Scout   Jun-09-04 11:46 AM   #115 
 

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