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Saeba Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:28 PM
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82. "Staying in Iraq: American thinking."
Ive at least find the 2K bug, the USA at whole went back to the beginning of the 20th century. Its amazing to see some progressives using colonialist speech. Do Americans know that time of empire is over? It simply doesnt work anymore. Even the powerful and merciless China has not succeeded in absorbing the minuscule Tibet (also to protect people from religion), and this after 40 years. Yes of course they control the country but they have not removed the aspiration to freedom from its inhabitants.

But be happy, you will stay in Iraq, at least for a time. At the end US will have to leave, and its pseudo-reforms will disappear with the end of occupation. No one can avert the right of people to self-determination, not in the long way.

Then pursue the course and try imposing US culture to Iraq. Feed al-qaida with more hate and frustration. But never forget that each time that US buries an Iraqi, it digs a little deeper its own grave by creating more enemies. Ghosts of the past haunt you for a long time, believe me...

However I guess that it can't be help. People have right to self-determination, even if its to follow stupid path, even the USA

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  -Complete withdraw from Iraq: naive thinking. malatesta1137  Jun-02-04 11:19 AM   #0 
  - I disagree 100%  Walt Starr   Jun-02-04 11:20 AM   #1 
  - More wisdom from Walt  sangh0   Jun-02-04 12:27 PM   #31 
  - I've got a great idea!  kiahzero   Jun-02-04 12:55 PM   #51 
     - Bring the troops home NOW  Walt Starr   Jun-02-04 01:34 PM   #64 
        - There's that liberal compassion  kiahzero   Jun-02-04 01:44 PM   #66 
           - We cannot win with our forces there, we will only lost more American lives  Walt Starr   Jun-02-04 01:49 PM   #68 
           - "We cannot win" - win what?  kiahzero   Jun-02-04 02:07 PM   #72 
              - The war was LOST the instant we started shelling them  Walt Starr   Jun-02-04 02:08 PM   #73 
                 - I'll ask again - Win what?  kiahzero   Jun-02-04 02:16 PM   #74 
           - We can't help them ...  lanparty   Jun-02-04 07:22 PM   #80 
  - You have two assertions to back up with evidence:  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 11:23 AM   #2 
  - True, but leave Iraq without any kind of security force,  jpgray   Jun-02-04 11:25 AM   #3 
     - but we do not have a security force to put in there  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 11:27 AM   #6 
     - It would have to be an Iraqi force--even local militia  jpgray   Jun-02-04 11:29 AM   #8 
     - Congo? Apples and oranges  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:08 PM   #25 
        - Not a direct comparison  jpgray   Jun-02-04 12:21 PM   #28 
           - OK, now I get what you're suggesting  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:27 PM   #30 
              - Yes--either way, we have to go  jpgray   Jun-02-04 12:34 PM   #34 
     - Wrong  libcurious   Jun-02-04 12:42 PM   #42 
     - Which would be fine.  aquart   Jun-02-04 11:34 AM   #13 
        - Yes, Iran is host to many Iraqi religious leaders as well  jpgray   Jun-02-04 11:36 AM   #14 
  - We could go in circles for days about this  rucky   Jun-02-04 11:25 AM   #4 
  - Social workers? Ridiculous.  aquart   Jun-02-04 11:26 AM   #5 
  - The Red Crescent?! A threat?!  rucky   Jun-02-04 11:29 AM   #9 
  - Sigh...  webster_green   Jun-02-04 11:28 AM   #7 
  - I also disagree 100%  bloom   Jun-02-04 11:30 AM   #10 
  - You Have No Say In Iraq's Future  Solidarity   Jun-02-04 11:32 AM   #11 
  - Well Halliburton ...  lanparty   Jun-02-04 07:28 PM   #81 
  - Yes, so that's what the television tells us. Sigh.  info being   Jun-02-04 11:32 AM   #12 
  - Don't get too discouraged  troublemaker   Jun-02-04 11:44 AM   #15 
  - The problem with your analysis in this case...  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:12 PM   #26 
  - Americans created this bloody mess  malatesta1137   Jun-02-04 11:45 AM   #16 
  - You're being completely disingenuous here  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:04 PM   #23 
  - so, you don't have any evidence that Al Qaeda is in Iraq then?  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 12:06 PM   #24 
     - here, brainy:  malatesta1137   Jun-02-04 12:25 PM   #29 
        - ah yes, the objective MSNBC news  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 12:29 PM   #32 
        - very naive the one  malatesta1137   Jun-02-04 12:42 PM   #41 
        - And our military presence there is to force them out how, exactly?  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:30 PM   #33 
        - You're just reflecting the wilfull ignorance of the mainstream media.  Minstrel Boy   Jun-02-04 12:37 PM   #36 
  -  goodhue   Jun-02-04 11:47 AM   #17 
  - Read Rashid Khalidi's book "Resurrecting Empire".  greatauntoftriplets   Jun-02-04 11:51 AM   #18 
  - #1: Halliburton out now.  H2O Man   Jun-02-04 11:52 AM   #19 
  - Some of us were adamant in signing a petition that began:  Marianne   Jun-02-04 11:57 AM   #20 
  - disagree - bring the troops home now; no huge embassy  donsu   Jun-02-04 11:58 AM   #21 
  - The exact same thing was said about Vietnam  Bandit   Jun-02-04 11:58 AM   #22 
  - Power vacuums are filled by those with the guns.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 12:39 PM   #37 
     - yeah, and the biggest gang is us  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 12:40 PM   #38 
     - That's goddamned right.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 12:45 PM   #45 
        - I shouldn't be ashamed that my country is occuping another illegally?  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 12:47 PM   #46 
        - You should accept it, get over yourself, and move on.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 12:53 PM   #49 
           - No, it isn't OUR situation  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:56 PM   #54 
              - Wanna bet?  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 01:21 PM   #60 
        - Our "gang" only creates instability to drum up protection rackets  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:54 PM   #50 
     - I find that a very condescending statement  Bandit   Jun-02-04 12:44 PM   #44 
        - But we're already involved, and we can't turn back time.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 12:51 PM   #48 
           - Tell me where in the Middle East that a Strongman doesn't rule?  Bandit   Jun-02-04 01:05 PM   #55 
              - Actually, there is one that is working away from a "strongman"  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 01:13 PM   #57 
              - Some despots are less enlightened than others.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 01:14 PM   #58 
              - You've forgotten a major player in all this  kiahzero   Jun-02-04 01:31 PM   #62 
  - When are you enlisting in the army?  apathy   Jun-02-04 12:16 PM   #27 
  - Absolutely. Groups in Iraq have their own ideas for Iraq's future.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 12:35 PM   #35 
  - How much did the CIA pay you to say that?  truthspeaker   Jun-02-04 12:41 PM   #40 
  - Spare us the drama about the CIA.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 12:55 PM   #53 
  - Unbelievable...  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 12:42 PM   #43 
  - Maybe just unpalatable.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 01:05 PM   #56 
     - Unpalatable is too mild. I'd say it's more like insanity.  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 01:15 PM   #59 
        - Welcome aboard.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 01:27 PM   #61 
           - That's right -- that's why it's my duty to do what I can to stop it  IrateCitizen   Jun-02-04 01:32 PM   #63 
              - What I want matters very little.  Monte Carlo   Jun-02-04 01:45 PM   #67 
  - When did you start thinking that the US was 'stabilizing' Iraq?  eridani   Jun-02-04 06:08 PM   #76 
  - Nope ..  lanparty   Jun-02-04 07:33 PM   #84 
  - This reminds me of Monday  Thankfully_in_Britain   Jun-02-04 12:41 PM   #39 
  - Naive thinking the Iraqis want us there...  JCMach1   Jun-02-04 12:50 PM   #47 
  - Whatever  RetroLounge   Jun-02-04 12:55 PM   #52 
  - I can only hope that I stay naive, far from the "realism"...  thebigidea   Jun-02-04 01:36 PM   #65 
  - and around and around we go  methinks2   Jun-02-04 01:52 PM   #69 
  - Yikes ...someone is indeed naive ...  welshTerrier2   Jun-02-04 01:53 PM   #70 
  - Catch-22  whosinpower   Jun-02-04 01:54 PM   #71 
  - Complete withdrawal from VietNam: naive thinking.  bemildred   Jun-02-04 02:26 PM   #75 
  - America will withdraw.  Karenina   Jun-02-04 06:20 PM   #77 
     - Troops Will Be Pulled Out Of Iraq  Solidarity   Jun-02-04 06:29 PM   #78 
     - It's encouraging ...  lanparty   Jun-02-04 07:37 PM   #85 
     - My own opinion, which I posted once before,  bemildred   Jun-02-04 06:51 PM   #79 
  - "Staying in Iraq: American thinking."  Saeba   Jun-02-04 07:28 PM   #82 
  - why isn't the wishes of the iraqis ever taken into account?  KG   Jun-02-04 07:33 PM   #83 

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