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Tue May-25-04 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #73 |
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As I understand it, if Chalabi is an agent of Iran, it becomes a national security -- or, a military -- issue rather than a legal one. Couldn't a general order his arrest even without any higher authorization? People get arrested all over Iraq for a lot less. Of course, this is all theoretical, and there are bigger things in play; we all know that no military commander will order Chalabi arrested without the Administration's order.
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| -OK, weird...I'm getting clobbered by my readers, so take this poll. |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:13 PM |
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Gullible Neo-Cons? |
trumad |
May-25-04 10:16 PM |
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The neocons' relationship with Chalabi DATES from that period |
DrBB |
May-25-04 10:44 PM |
#38 |
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The Neo-Con Godfather, Leo Strauss |
trumad |
May-25-04 10:54 PM |
#51 |
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Also See This Month's Harper's |
REP |
May-25-04 11:58 PM |
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Well Said, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
May-25-04 11:08 PM |
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And also you, Mr. M |
psychopomp |
May-26-04 04:24 AM |
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My View Matches That of DrBB and The Magistrate, Will |
DoveTurnedHawk |
May-26-04 09:20 AM |
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I'm not sure |
displacedvermoter |
May-25-04 10:17 PM |
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You left out "both" |
Finnfan |
May-25-04 10:17 PM |
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I agree, it's both. They got suckered. It'll be recast as an opportunity. |
Eye and Monkey |
May-25-04 10:26 PM |
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I think it's real, and I don't see how it leads to an invasion |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:17 PM |
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I agree |
Dookus |
May-25-04 10:19 PM |
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It's Real |
RobinA |
May-26-04 09:11 AM |
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Too many moving parts |
ewagner |
May-25-04 10:18 PM |
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Yep |
NV Whino |
May-25-04 10:18 PM |
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I really hadn't considered the Iranian invasion angle before.... |
AntiCoup2k |
May-25-04 10:18 PM |
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Neither. |
Merlin |
May-25-04 10:21 PM |
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Pure set up |
mmm |
May-25-04 10:22 PM |
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Did you read Borger's article at the Guardian? |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:24 PM |
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I don't buy it |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:27 PM |
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Have you read Parry and Andrew Cockburn yet? |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:29 PM |
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Borger, Hersh and Pincus are all mouthpieces for Intelligence insiders. |
Merlin |
May-25-04 10:43 PM |
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We seem to be witnessing a long-brooding civil war erupting |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:49 PM |
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easy answer to your last question |
salin |
May-26-04 12:47 AM |
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It's a truly wonderful thought! |
Merlin |
May-26-04 12:52 AM |
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They Wouldn't |
RobinA |
May-26-04 09:17 AM |
#131 |
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I'm not sure |
Momof1 |
May-25-04 10:23 PM |
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Not sure |
mmonk |
May-25-04 10:23 PM |
#12 |
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will, don't worry, this story is gonna grow legs |
AZDemDist6 |
May-25-04 10:27 PM |
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Or....some of them believed him. For real. |
aquart |
May-25-04 10:28 PM |
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Is this Jeopardy? |
NewYorkerfromMass |
May-25-04 10:29 PM |
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Good point |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:30 PM |
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Too many angles with the Chalabi situation |
Chicken George |
May-25-04 10:30 PM |
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Why is he not in jail instead of talk show hopping? |
vetwife |
May-25-04 10:32 PM |
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Exactly... |
Chicken George |
May-25-04 10:45 PM |
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Will, read back up on the PNAC'ers, this is all going according to plan. |
anarchy1999 |
May-25-04 10:31 PM |
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See post 15 |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:31 PM |
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Sorry, you are on it. Should have known. Sorry again. |
anarchy1999 |
May-25-04 10:35 PM |
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One might wonder why Chalabi would be a free man. |
spanone |
May-25-04 10:39 PM |
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You've got to read Robert Parry's article. |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:34 PM |
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One thing's for sure... |
punpirate |
May-25-04 10:33 PM |
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A brilliant post I saved from Clark's blog on this: |
robbedvoter |
May-25-04 10:33 PM |
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Yep. Iran played * like a fiddle. We've been had. |
BeFree |
May-25-04 10:53 PM |
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Well, here's a question: |
slavkomae |
May-25-04 10:36 PM |
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Because the CIA hasn't given its proof to the Justice Dept.? |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:37 PM |
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Come on, Will...the CIA wasn't involved in this one...it was the DIA,.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
May-25-04 10:40 PM |
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Um... |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:47 PM |
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It's true that the CIA had it's own horse in the race |
starroute |
May-26-04 01:16 AM |
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If This Was Well Planned |
RobinA |
May-26-04 09:27 AM |
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But then... |
slavkomae |
May-25-04 10:44 PM |
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There is no doubt the CIA is gaming here |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:53 PM |
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"I don't think the Bushies would allow this much egg on their faces... |
slavkomae |
May-25-04 11:16 PM |
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Who has the authority to arrest him? |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 11:27 PM |
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Why even bother arresting him - just leave him hanging in Iraq |
gbwarming |
May-25-04 11:36 PM |
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Wouldn't they want to know what he knows, and wouldn't they... |
slavkomae |
May-25-04 11:42 PM |
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They know what he knows. |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 11:48 PM |
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Isn't he in Iraq? |
slavkomae |
May-25-04 11:41 PM |
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or Chalabi is just as much a dupe as Bush. eom |
NewYorkerfromMass |
May-25-04 10:45 PM |
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Humor me |
billybob537 |
May-25-04 11:02 PM |
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"If you believe that BS you should be the first one sent in." |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 11:15 PM |
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Who has the authority to arrest him? |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:48 PM |
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i agree with you will |
rchsod |
May-25-04 10:39 PM |
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hope vs. fear |
VelmaD |
May-25-04 10:41 PM |
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One thing's for sure.... |
Steven_S |
May-25-04 10:42 PM |
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Could someone please help me with this? |
zydeco |
May-25-04 10:48 PM |
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*cough*Wolfowitz*coughcough*Perle*cough* |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 10:51 PM |
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through the looking glass |
bpilgrim |
May-25-04 10:49 PM |
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This Administration is constantly trying to convince us that they |
Sperk |
May-25-04 10:49 PM |
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I admit, I was wondering if you had started shilling for the neo-cons |
Generic Other |
May-25-04 10:50 PM |
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With whose army will they wage this Iran war? |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 10:55 PM |
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good point... |
bpilgrim |
May-25-04 10:59 PM |
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The army they intend to conscript and build . . . |
beam_me_up |
May-25-04 11:20 PM |
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we're not going anywhere near Iran, we don't have the resources... |
jdolsen |
May-26-04 12:51 AM |
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doubt it |
bpilgrim |
May-26-04 01:08 AM |
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Neither. Its to give the Bush* admin cover |
Betty The Younger |
May-25-04 10:55 PM |
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welcome to DU Betty |
dudeness |
May-25-04 10:58 PM |
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Thank you Dudeness! |
Betty The Younger |
May-25-04 11:09 PM |
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welcome to DU |
bpilgrim |
May-25-04 11:01 PM |
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Thank you Bpilgrim! |
Betty The Younger |
May-25-04 11:14 PM |
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I agree with borg.. |
dudeness |
May-25-04 10:56 PM |
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At First I Suspected a Neocon Ploy |
Labor_Ready |
May-25-04 10:58 PM |
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Could another "terrorist attack" provide the "better pretense"? n/t |
beam_me_up |
May-25-04 11:08 PM |
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That's a 'Better Pretense,' Yes |
Labor_Ready |
May-25-04 11:17 PM |
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All going along to PNAC, the DLC's & the PPI's plan... |
Tinoire |
May-25-04 11:00 PM |
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Things are changing too fast to keep up. |
SnohoDem |
May-25-04 11:03 PM |
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Real deal. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-25-04 11:15 PM |
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I'm not sure. Who gave Chalabi highly valuable information and why? |
Kimber Scott |
May-25-04 11:20 PM |
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The neocons seem to be still behind him. |
BurtWorm |
May-25-04 11:25 PM |
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Yes, I know some of them are still backing him. |
Kimber Scott |
May-25-04 11:42 PM |
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William Luti and Douglas Feith |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 11:28 PM |
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and so i wonder what they gave him |
bpilgrim |
May-25-04 11:33 PM |
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The OSP operated out of the DoD branch that handled all the Mideast |
WilliamPitt |
May-25-04 11:40 PM |
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I can't imagine highly sensitive information would be lying around. |
Kimber Scott |
May-26-04 12:16 AM |
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how often did he visit? |
bpilgrim |
May-26-04 12:33 AM |
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Dig it |
WilliamPitt |
May-26-04 12:35 AM |
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why would the neoCONs pick him knowing his ties? |
bpilgrim |
May-26-04 01:01 AM |
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Chalabi said on TV the other day he's had an ongoing relationship |
Kimber Scott |
May-25-04 11:45 PM |
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The person he met with recently - reportedly the head of Iranian Intel |
salin |
May-26-04 12:01 AM |
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Since they shared an office, is this how he got the US information? |
Kimber Scott |
May-26-04 12:11 AM |
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It isn't clear to me - that is one bit of speculatin (via |
salin |
May-26-04 12:15 AM |
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I told my husband last year, "Wait. They're going to figure out this |
Kimber Scott |
May-26-04 12:28 AM |
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I think the lack of arrests (and the siezure of documents and computers) |
salin |
May-26-04 12:49 AM |
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Someone thought Chalabi was pal enough to be privvy to secrets. |
BurtWorm |
May-26-04 12:18 AM |
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I missed one of those... |
salin |
May-26-04 12:51 AM |
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Check out Cockburn at the Guardian tomorrow, too. |
BurtWorm |
May-26-04 12:52 AM |
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Not sure, but look at the cast of characters and their options |
bumbler |
May-25-04 11:43 PM |
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A lot of it smells very fishy |
wtmusic |
May-25-04 11:43 PM |
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Real - and very convoluted - take a read at Laura Rozen's |
salin |
May-25-04 11:50 PM |
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It's Brier Rabbit. |
kaitykaity |
May-25-04 11:55 PM |
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One major question is how Israel fits into the Chalabi saga |
starroute |
May-26-04 12:02 AM |
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Robert Parry at consortiumnews.com connects some of those dots. |
BurtWorm |
May-26-04 12:06 AM |
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I've been wondering about that |
starroute |
May-26-04 12:12 AM |
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Iran is becoming more nationalistic and less Islam-minded |
starroute |
May-26-04 12:55 AM |
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This story is the CIA and State taking down the neo-cons, and it is true |
Stephanie |
May-26-04 12:31 AM |
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Yep, the Neocons may be crafty, but someone played them back... |
Pachamama |
May-26-04 03:24 AM |
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I believe it to be just another smokescreen for Prezdint Monkeynuts. |
MUAD_DIB |
May-26-04 01:02 AM |
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Sensitive Information |
CHIMO |
May-26-04 02:02 AM |
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The weird have turned pro. And suicidal. |
BareKnuckledLiberal |
May-26-04 02:11 AM |
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pitt taken in by... |
JSJ |
May-26-04 03:16 AM |
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don't know who/what to believe |
radfringe |
May-26-04 03:56 AM |
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why a poll? |
Fear |
May-26-04 03:58 AM |
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I'm positive that it is NOT to distance Chalabi from Bush |
OKNancy |
May-26-04 04:48 AM |
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Don't know |
ibegurpard |
May-26-04 04:57 AM |
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I think it is more about rewriting history and distancing the WH from Iran |
althecat |
May-26-04 04:57 AM |
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I think it is more about rewriting history and distancing the WH from Iran |
althecat |
May-26-04 04:57 AM |
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It's about Bush administration infighting |
eridani |
May-26-04 05:18 AM |
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CIA |
Disturbed |
May-26-04 05:33 AM |
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Slings and Arrows |
Jacobin |
May-26-04 06:40 AM |
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Chill, Will. Think Earthquakes. |
TomNickell |
May-26-04 07:25 AM |
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Scott Ritter on Chalabi |
cal04 |
May-26-04 07:27 AM |
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When I heard about the leak of info to Iran, |
in_cog_ni_to |
May-26-04 07:32 AM |
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I think it's just another in a long line of "blame him, not us" |
leesa |
May-26-04 08:00 AM |
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"CIA Has Rock Solid Evidence" |
grl2watch |
May-26-04 08:21 AM |
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Invading Iran would be practically and politically insane... |
skryabushka |
May-26-04 08:49 AM |
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Don't falter Pitt. You are right. They are wrong. |
troublemaker |
May-26-04 09:33 AM |
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Not Sure BUT |
Beetwasher |
May-26-04 09:34 AM |
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Neither. It's to shift blame for the WMD problem "He Tricked Us" |
Delano |
May-26-04 09:38 AM |
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I think that if it were an invade-Iran ploy... |
JHB |
May-26-04 09:40 AM |
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Irony? |
dutchdemocrat |
May-26-04 09:44 AM |
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I think that when the truth is known (whenever that may be) |
rustydog |
May-26-04 09:45 AM |
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Cite "Against all Enemies" the almost war with IRAN |
gasperc |
May-26-04 09:49 AM |
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