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Mon May-24-04 01:22 PM
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| 67. And I think you still want this to be Mossad |
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you need it to be Mossad, you absolutely need this to be Mossad
Fer crying out loud, we hired US Companies, whether those US Companies hired out to Salvadorans (some are in Iraq) South Africans, Israelis (lets assume you are right on this one, though I fear you are not), Theese are AMERICAN COMPANIES responsibile to a State Actor called the United States, who authorized at very high levels of governemnt the TORTURE that happened at Abu Ghraib. IN fact lets use the correct term here, the War Crimes that were commited in your and mine name at Abu Ghraib.
But YOU NEED TO TRANSFER some of this responsibilty to the cogs in the machiine, not that different than... the bad apples theory advanced by the Pentagon (thogh for hte record when you count the people at the top there are seven bad apples... amazing I know)
Oh and by the way, I DO have some experience with Gangs, mostly as patients, which I fear is far larger than YOUR experience with gangs.
So TAKE RESPONSIBITLY for the ACTIONS OF YOUR GOVERNMEWNT and STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES that reinforce YOUR THEORY
For the record Mossad are no angels nor is Shin Beit, but I am willing to own to MY GOVERNMENT'S Crimes, FULLY AND COMPLETELY. How about you?
Oh and I do understand why the Iraqis NEED to believe that Mossad is behind everthing, but it amazes me that Americans have this need as well.
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| -An Abut Ghraib Photo We Didn't See on the Front Page of the NYTs |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:06 PM |
#0 |
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Oh what a surprise - also who is John Israel? |
CulturalNomad |
May-24-04 12:08 PM |
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Hate to say I told you so, but |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 01:04 PM |
#48 |
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Photo here, but what does it mean? |
Marianne |
May-24-04 12:09 PM |
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Hmmm will have to look for the symbology |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:13 PM |
#3 |
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possible reference |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 01:09 PM |
#56 |
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As the Lovos came out |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:49 PM |
#87 |
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The Scorpion symbolizes Cheshvan |
RapidCreek |
May-24-04 01:36 PM |
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He could be a Scorpio Astrological sign and a Jewish guy who wanted |
KoKo01 |
May-24-04 04:46 PM |
#166 |
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Hehehehehehehe |
RapidCreek |
May-24-04 09:41 PM |
#169 |
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I'm not familiar with Baghram Vita, can you sketch a quick outline? |
Zhade |
May-24-04 09:48 PM |
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It means Israelis were among the mercenary "intelligence" people. |
aquart |
May-24-04 12:16 PM |
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Nah I have seen American soldiers with foreign flaggs on |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:18 PM |
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Interesting. Is that a known insignia? |
DrBB |
May-24-04 12:13 PM |
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I hope someone can decode this |
grasswire |
May-24-04 12:15 PM |
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Really? Why? |
aquart |
May-24-04 12:17 PM |
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Deleted message |
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May-24-04 01:45 PM |
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Why, obviously grasswire is anti-Semitic! |
Zhade |
May-24-04 09:52 PM |
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I'm not sure |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:21 PM |
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Jewish suicide squad. |
ArkDem |
May-24-04 01:13 PM |
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Here it is |
drdarwin |
May-24-04 12:14 PM |
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what does the red text mean? |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 12:19 PM |
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Wolf's in Spanish |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:21 PM |
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I'm not really making anything out of it.. |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 12:26 PM |
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You are dealing with a home boy |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:29 PM |
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b and v have an almost identical pronunciation in Spanish, and |
Lisa0825 |
May-24-04 02:17 PM |
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Yep thanks |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 03:05 PM |
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the last letter isn't an s |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:28 PM |
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It is not hebrew |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:31 PM |
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I don't want it to be anything |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:34 PM |
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Look at the blow up |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:42 PM |
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it could be a z, still doubt s |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:50 PM |
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Look at some wonderful |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:53 PM |
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Here's a blow up of the tatto |
hexola |
May-24-04 12:34 PM |
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Thanks LOVOS |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:37 PM |
#29 |
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Does that look photoshopped or what? |
graham67 |
May-24-04 12:45 PM |
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Not likely photoshopped... |
hexola |
May-24-04 12:50 PM |
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if you didn't say it then you don't sound silly |
Cheswick |
May-24-04 01:09 PM |
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yeah that's a good one. |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:52 PM |
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That's the worst photoshopping I've seen in a while. |
John_H |
May-24-04 01:40 PM |
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Looks like a skull with the legs forming the teeth. |
alfredo |
May-24-04 04:27 PM |
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I have to go along with LOVOS ... |
hexola |
May-24-04 12:31 PM |
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look like "LOVOL" (with the last "L" a mirror image) |
Alerter_ |
May-24-04 04:10 PM |
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Examine the enlargement |
hexola |
May-24-04 09:57 PM |
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hey folks |
StaggerLee |
May-24-04 12:15 PM |
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AP source info |
JetJaguar |
May-24-04 11:37 PM |
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hmmm...star of david...scorpion... |
ret5hd |
May-24-04 12:17 PM |
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I enlarged it a bit and thought it perhaps said <OVO> |
hexola |
May-24-04 12:19 PM |
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Sorry that ain't Hebrew |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:19 PM |
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but why would gangs incorporate the Israeli flag in their insignia? |
plurality |
May-24-04 12:23 PM |
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For the same reason they have incorporated |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:27 PM |
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Yep... |
graham67 |
May-24-04 12:34 PM |
#26 |
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That I believe - but this is the entire flag... |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:16 PM |
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so I do a search on Lovos, Lovos Gang, Ovos, and Ovos Gang |
salin |
May-24-04 12:35 PM |
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wrong search parameters |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:51 PM |
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thanks, I'd be interested in reading more about the Lovos gang |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 12:54 PM |
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Try Lobos, or los lobos |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:56 PM |
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you don't have any info on them? |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 12:58 PM |
#44 |
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From years in EMS yes they are the same gang |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:02 PM |
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any links? |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 01:05 PM |
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Here is one |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:06 PM |
#51 |
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Nice, any references to "Lovos" (nt) |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:09 PM |
#54 |
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Only if you go into Police Intelligence |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:13 PM |
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why is this a jewell? |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 01:12 PM |
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I guess I can't help there |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:16 PM |
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the "lobos" in that article was unrelated to gang names |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 01:22 PM |
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Consult the cops |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:25 PM |
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you made the claim |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 01:26 PM |
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Here you go |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:35 PM |
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Can you direct us to a link about LOVOS? |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:41 PM |
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I gave you the links I could find, |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:44 PM |
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with no references to LOVOS...you have nothing...(nt) |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:49 PM |
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And you will not do the basic research, |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:51 PM |
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your links seem bogus and have nothing to do with the subject at hand |
bhunt70 |
May-24-04 02:06 PM |
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Unfortunately I am not |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 03:23 PM |
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please show me where I said I want to believe it's Mossad |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 01:47 PM |
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Well sorry, I gave yuou links to gang |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:53 PM |
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you provided links with no relevant information whatsoever |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:03 PM |
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Here is one |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:12 PM |
#108 |
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And still not a single reference to LOVOS!!! |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:18 PM |
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don't you get it? Supporting this user's claims is OUR job |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:20 PM |
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May-24-04 02:23 PM |
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yes, I said all of that, yeah right |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:28 PM |
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May-24-04 02:38 PM |
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Deleted message |
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May-24-04 02:41 PM |
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No, I beleive that those who were in charge ordered |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:58 PM |
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Try LOMOS |
Virginian |
May-24-04 10:39 PM |
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Whoa...nice take...LOMOS... |
hexola |
May-24-04 10:45 PM |
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irrelevant, no reference to lobos or lovos in this link either |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:19 PM |
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the only reference to lobos here was Los Lobos |
Cheswick |
May-24-04 01:16 PM |
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SPANISH TRASLATION : "LOVOS" |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:08 PM |
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IT IS MISPELLED ON PURPOSE |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:14 PM |
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LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nt) |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:18 PM |
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GO AKS YOUR LOCAL POLICE INTELLIGENCE UNIT |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:24 PM |
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GO AKS YOUR LOCAL POLICE INTELLIGENCE UNIT |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:24 PM |
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repost from above: ba nd v sound almost identical in Spanish |
Lisa0825 |
May-24-04 02:28 PM |
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I agree and suspect that same thing...but |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:33 PM |
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Don't ask me since you don't beleive me |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:45 PM |
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Oh here is a jewel |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:58 PM |
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*wink* |
salin |
May-24-04 12:57 PM |
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Oh agree with you |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:01 PM |
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have to agree |
salin |
May-24-04 01:05 PM |
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Yep |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:11 PM |
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bullshit claim |
bhunt70 |
May-24-04 02:09 PM |
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Not according to the COB and others on board that |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:25 PM |
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I think you're the one who's strechting here |
plurality |
May-24-04 01:08 PM |
#53 |
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And I think you still want this to be Mossad |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:22 PM |
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I don't need it be a goddamned thing, I think you need it to be a gang |
plurality |
May-24-04 01:28 PM |
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THis particular marking is a gang marking |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:42 PM |
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You havent presented a shred of evidence to support that idea! |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:43 PM |
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Whatever |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:47 PM |
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the PUBLIC SO Cal Database |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 01:53 PM |
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Go ask your local poilice unit |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:20 PM |
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NOBODY would be THAT STUPID to put a tattoo... |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:31 PM |
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The isreali would nkow the back yard |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:47 PM |
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I have made no such assumption, they came from your posts |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 03:21 PM |
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And I have not seen that list in years |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 03:27 PM |
#154 |
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please show me where I gave any opinion on who this is |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 03:39 PM |
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don't you know, we're supposed to believe he's the gang expert |
plurality |
May-24-04 01:53 PM |
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And I'm perfectly willing to believe it...just provide a shred of proof... |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:56 PM |
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Ok silly me |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:15 PM |
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a marking that means instant death??? |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:25 PM |
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Free clue |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:33 PM |
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did I blame the Jews? Please paste the text for me |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:35 PM |
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You are in less than overt ways |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:40 PM |
#134 |
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calling me an anti-semite, you're getting desperate |
arcane1 |
May-24-04 02:45 PM |
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Nope I am aware of what the Israelis are capable of doingq |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:50 PM |
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You're the one making that argument...it might be an anti-semetic tattoo |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:39 PM |
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well, its unjewish to get a tattoo in the first place. |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 02:41 PM |
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Un-Christian too isn't it |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:46 PM |
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Leviticus is the OLD Testtament |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:55 PM |
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You read what you chose to read |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 02:52 PM |
#144 |
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I'm done, you have proved NOTHING |
plurality |
May-24-04 01:51 PM |
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Go to your local police unit |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 01:54 PM |
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"...I do understand why the Iraqis NEED to believe..." |
Zhade |
May-24-04 10:12 PM |
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I dont see how you can be so sure. |
bhunt70 |
May-24-04 01:54 PM |
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Lovoj means "Lovable" in Lithuanian.... |
Junkdrawer |
May-24-04 12:32 PM |
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"Lovos" seems to be a conjugation of "love" |
Alerter_ |
May-24-04 02:24 PM |
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Now THAT makes sense |
HFishbine |
May-24-04 04:41 PM |
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ENLARGEMENT HERE |
hexola |
May-24-04 12:35 PM |
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So how do we know that is authentic? - eom |
patrice |
May-24-04 12:40 PM |
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Authentic - in what way? |
hexola |
May-24-04 12:52 PM |
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Does this give some cred to the theory that Mossad |
patrice |
May-24-04 12:43 PM |
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No Mossad woudl not make a beginers mistake |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 12:44 PM |
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"Scorpion" Bible refereces/Star Chart |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:07 PM |
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Scorpion Pass (bible) |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:26 PM |
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heres some refs |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 01:35 PM |
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Another clue |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 01:43 PM |
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no, if you had clicked on "answers here" |
ret5hd |
May-24-04 01:48 PM |
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cool! |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 02:14 PM |
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I think in Hebrew it is 'akrav'--based on the 105th's Hebrew name (nt) |
jpgray |
May-24-04 02:04 PM |
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The torturers were fascinated with scorpions, according to their victims |
meluseth |
May-24-04 03:16 PM |
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Well that is an old technique used in the middle east |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-24-04 03:30 PM |
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Israeli Agents Believed Involved in Abu Ghraib |
plurality |
May-24-04 01:11 PM |
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ah yes, more of those lovely "civilian contractors" |
maggrwaggr |
May-24-04 01:57 PM |
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Tattoo owners: How old do you think that tattoo is...? |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:12 PM |
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The only 'scorpion' related Israeli unit, I think, is in the IAF |
jpgray |
May-24-04 01:42 PM |
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Oh that's just a coincidence! (nt) |
hexola |
May-24-04 01:47 PM |
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As I said, pretty tenuous (nt) |
jpgray |
May-24-04 01:58 PM |
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Here we go! |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 01:54 PM |
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Not a gang symbol--it's some rapture crap |
Snazzy |
May-24-04 01:58 PM |
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Lovos -- latin spelling of spanish word wolf and link to St. James |
Snazzy |
May-24-04 02:52 PM |
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this goes along with the "DaVinci Code" theories |
Alerter_ |
May-24-04 04:07 PM |
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Has any suggested it may be the result of doodling in an Eng Lit or |
higher class |
May-24-04 02:01 PM |
#100 |
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isnt anywhere close to an S so why is everyone saying lovos |
seabeyond |
May-24-04 02:05 PM |
#103 |
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You looked at the enlargement? (nt) |
hexola |
May-24-04 02:09 PM |
#107 |
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my bad |
seabeyond |
May-24-04 02:18 PM |
#114 |
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Israel's fingerprints are all over US Iraq operations |
Must_B_Free |
May-24-04 02:33 PM |
#128 |
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another meaning of scorpion which fits a prison |
GreatCaesarsGhost |
May-24-04 02:46 PM |
#139 |
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We know why Counterpunch is running it. |
geek tragedy |
May-24-04 03:00 PM |
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really, where's that article, I'd like to see it. |
plurality |
May-24-04 03:05 PM |
#148 |
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Here you go: |
geek tragedy |
May-24-04 03:15 PM |
#150 |
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let me see |
plurality |
May-24-04 03:41 PM |
#157 |
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He said that |
geek tragedy |
May-24-04 03:56 PM |
#158 |
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several things |
plurality |
May-24-04 04:09 PM |
#160 |
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Cockburn writes extensively |
geek tragedy |
May-24-04 04:41 PM |
#165 |
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oh give it a rest |
Alerter_ |
May-24-04 04:15 PM |
#162 |
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Oh please. |
geek tragedy |
May-24-04 04:46 PM |
#167 |
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Omigod, a star of David! Head for the hills, the Joooooos are coming!!!! |
Jim Sagle |
May-24-04 04:59 PM |
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May-24-04 11:16 PM |
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Another reason it might not be in the papers is that nobody gives a fuck. |
Jim Sagle |
May-24-04 11:57 PM |
#180 |
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What the hell does Lovol/Lovos mean? |
FDRrocks |
May-24-04 11:40 PM |
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see mid page |
JetJaguar |
May-24-04 11:47 PM |
#179 |
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Locking. |
Moderator |
May-25-04 12:22 AM |
#181 |