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Sat May-22-04 10:57 AM
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| 10. Does that mean denying them a vote? Then Congress is solid Republican |
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Edited on Sat May-22-04 10:57 AM by jpgray
This does not create an environment more conducive to progressive views; it does the opposite. The idea that we have to burn down everything that's imperfect in order to build something better is silly. We work with what we have, we may have a shot; we tear down what we have, the Republicans will fill the vacuum. Then the secret service will continue to detain Green party leaders via the 'no fly list', the FCC will continue to turn the media into a state propaganda arm, and fear/bigotry-based war and propaganda will rule. In this environment the progressive utopia you evidently envision will have its leaders divided and removed from public view before anything even gets off the ground.
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| -“I was wrong. I apologize. Now let’s move on.” - A Speech for John Kerry |
Q |
May-22-04 09:02 AM |
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He's already said he was wrong and apologized. He doesn't need... |
wyldwolf |
May-22-04 09:14 AM |
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When? Where? |
HFishbine |
May-23-04 10:37 AM |
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Here. There. Got link |
wyldwolf |
May-23-04 02:39 PM |
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I haven't seen him apologize. It looks as if he's avoided that. |
genius |
May-23-04 03:07 PM |
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here it is again |
wyldwolf |
May-23-04 03:10 PM |
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Why should kerry apologize for being LIED TO? BUSH should apologize and |
radwriter0555 |
May-24-04 10:57 AM |
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A lot of people had the same position as John Kerry |
emulatorloo |
May-22-04 10:12 AM |
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fallacy ad populum |
Marianne |
May-22-04 11:50 AM |
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exactly, wipe the slate clean! |
Carolina |
May-22-04 02:38 PM |
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kick |
Tellurian |
May-22-04 03:39 PM |
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I disagree with Epstein's premise |
Cocoa |
May-22-04 10:22 AM |
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Epstein is VAIN and STUPID. He doesn't UNDERSTAND that Kerry's vote |
blm |
May-22-04 10:28 AM |
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that would be a good argument` |
bpilgrim |
May-22-04 10:37 AM |
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Semantics. |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 10:51 AM |
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As a Senator, you're SUPPOSED to trust a president to implement |
blm |
May-22-04 10:56 AM |
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blm...that is a bit disingenuous |
God_bush_n_cheney |
May-22-04 11:15 AM |
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So did Biden-Lugar, yet look at all the devoted Dean supporters |
blm |
May-22-04 05:48 PM |
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Didn't say he was...just real silent on an issue that is |
God_bush_n_cheney |
May-23-04 03:27 AM |
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You should just change your nic to Biden-Luger |
Forkboy |
May-23-04 03:28 AM |
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If the same old weren't singing the same old, then |
blm |
May-23-04 03:09 PM |
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lighten up Gunga Din |
Forkboy |
May-24-04 11:00 AM |
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same here.... |
blm |
May-24-04 01:09 PM |
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As a Senator, you are SUPPOSED to use common sense. |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 11:35 AM |
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Kerry didn't vote for the war though. |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 11:37 AM |
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Again...the argument that it was only for "last resort" |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 11:46 AM |
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Consequence or Right? |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 11:52 AM |
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Framing the debate your way... |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 12:07 PM |
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Bread and Butter philosophy, my friend. |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 07:08 PM |
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Please explain something for me. |
Nlighten1 |
May-23-04 07:51 AM |
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then those who supported afghanistan war should apologize also |
JI7 |
May-22-04 11:57 AM |
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Kerry was just plain covering his |
Carolina |
May-22-04 03:49 PM |
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How was Kerry supposed to justify all of that publically? |
Monte Carlo |
May-22-04 03:55 PM |
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How? |
Carolina |
May-22-04 11:01 PM |
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Those 23 Dems were not all knowing. |
Monte Carlo |
May-23-04 10:58 AM |
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No, Kerry didn't launch a pre-emptive war |
Carolina |
May-23-04 11:09 AM |
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Well, then riddle me this... |
Tellurian |
May-22-04 04:10 PM |
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he's being pilloried |
Carolina |
May-22-04 11:12 PM |
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And... |
Tellurian |
May-23-04 10:00 AM |
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No, your statements are dubious and intellectually dishonest |
Carolina |
May-23-04 10:34 AM |
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Al Gore wasn't doomed because of the press.. |
Tellurian |
May-23-04 01:01 PM |
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I really sick of your crap |
Carolina |
May-23-04 02:06 PM |
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No,No,NO |
Ardee |
May-23-04 03:10 PM |
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Except that it let Bush launch the war... |
Darranar |
May-22-04 11:53 AM |
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Which he could have done WITHOUT a resolution. |
blm |
May-22-04 05:36 PM |
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This thread will bring out the venom. |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 10:37 AM |
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Does that mean denying them a vote? Then Congress is solid Republican |
jpgray |
May-22-04 10:57 AM |
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95 to 3 says you are wrong. |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 11:31 AM |
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How do you purge these people? |
jpgray |
May-22-04 11:35 AM |
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There are no easy answers but... |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 11:39 AM |
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Your work is pretty much worthless |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 11:40 AM |
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And who's fault will it be if Bush does? |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 11:43 AM |
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You have no idea how to get Democrats elected. |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 11:49 AM |
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yup, look at where Barbara Boxer got elected |
JI7 |
May-22-04 11:55 AM |
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"Public pledges of ideological purity " |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 11:59 AM |
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The Illinois GOP destroys itself for this reason. |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 12:05 PM |
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"they will be replaced by Republicans" |
JI7 |
May-22-04 11:45 AM |
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I agree 100% |
God_bush_n_cheney |
May-22-04 11:16 AM |
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Again, if you 'vote them out,' Republicans will fill that vacuum |
jpgray |
May-22-04 11:19 AM |
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Does it matter if Republicans fill the vacuum? |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 02:23 PM |
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YOU aren't the one going in front of the American people |
blm |
May-22-04 05:33 PM |
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I never trusted numbnuts. NEVER!!!! |
greatauntoftriplets |
May-22-04 06:08 PM |
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Neither did I. But, Kerry is in a position that NOONE else is in. |
blm |
May-22-04 06:33 PM |
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Bold times...demand bold actions blm. |
God_bush_n_cheney |
May-23-04 01:05 AM |
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YOU don't want Kerry to win....FINE. Go enjoy your life. |
blm |
May-23-04 03:16 PM |
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What does that have to do with the fact his IWR vote was.... |
greatauntoftriplets |
May-23-04 06:34 AM |
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I don't buy your assessment. Kerry consistently believed that Saddam |
blm |
May-23-04 03:13 PM |
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Epstein to Kerry -- Pander to me, even if you lose the election |
jpgray |
May-22-04 10:47 AM |
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Bullshit. Can I have a president who was smart enough not to have been |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 10:58 AM |
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What a surprise! Kerry gives convoluted pol-like speeches! |
jpgray |
May-22-04 11:06 AM |
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Name removed |
May-22-04 05:17 PM |
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So Jp... kerry & Political Expediency |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 05:53 PM |
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Kerry ALREADY APOLOGIZED FOR TRUSTING BUSH to use war as a last resort. |
blm |
May-22-04 06:57 PM |
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Kucinich has NOTHING to do with this thread. Unlike Kerry he did not shill |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 07:08 PM |
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The standards are different aren't they? |
blm |
May-23-04 03:40 PM |
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Tinoire, THANK YOU! |
rhite5 |
May-22-04 07:18 PM |
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This is about who would be the better president, not who is pure |
jpgray |
May-22-04 09:00 PM |
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It isn't about idealogical purity either... |
Nlighten1 |
May-23-04 10:29 AM |
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Are you saying "get rid" of Kerry? |
Sparkly |
May-23-04 10:51 AM |
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If he is a Bush enabler... |
Nlighten1 |
May-23-04 11:05 AM |
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But Kerry was instrumental in uncovering Iran-Contra, wasn't he? |
Sparkly |
May-23-04 11:11 AM |
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Maybe not at this point and time... |
Nlighten1 |
May-23-04 11:33 AM |
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That deserves a toast |
nolabels |
May-23-04 02:10 PM |
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well done-- |
Marianne |
May-22-04 12:11 PM |
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I do not forget those moments either! |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 06:23 PM |
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Thank you, Tinoire |
Carolina |
May-22-04 11:39 PM |
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Tinoire: |
Q |
May-22-04 12:12 PM |
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Exactly. |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 02:27 PM |
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Q. I agree with you. I am just VERY angry. |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 06:24 PM |
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I wake up angry, go to bed tired and wonder through the day |
nolabels |
May-23-04 02:33 PM |
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Excellent post Tinoire |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 02:25 PM |
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Bush is just one of the 7 heads of the Hydra |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 06:26 PM |
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Maybe... |
Nlighten1 |
May-22-04 08:04 PM |
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Geez...and all those who said Kucinich was nuancing abortion and aligns |
blm |
May-22-04 05:43 PM |
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What the hell does that have to do with anything? |
Tinoire |
May-22-04 06:45 PM |
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Because Kucinich is yopur standard so that is the proper standard |
blm |
May-23-04 03:29 PM |
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Touche, Tinoire |
Carolina |
May-22-04 11:29 PM |
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The insanos will never accept an apology. |
JHBowden |
May-22-04 11:11 AM |
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That is not an apology. That's an excuse. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-23-04 08:44 PM |
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Don't hate the playa, hate the game. |
Monte Carlo |
May-22-04 11:58 AM |
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How about a Bush apology for deceiving Congress, and the World? |
EndElectoral |
May-22-04 02:27 PM |
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Apologize? Nah, he'll get the troops kinda out in only 4 years. |
bandera |
May-22-04 02:53 PM |
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Hey, that's peanuts as far as military occupations go. |
Monte Carlo |
May-22-04 03:43 PM |
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Are peanuts the same as collateral damage? |
bandera |
May-22-04 04:02 PM |
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That seems to be our situation. |
Monte Carlo |
May-22-04 05:04 PM |
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What's so "realistic" about staying there and killing people? |
bandera |
May-23-04 12:08 AM |
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Because we don't know what will happen to Iraq. |
Monte Carlo |
May-23-04 10:48 AM |
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Why are we talking about the past, when it's our future that is at stake? |
Tellurian |
May-22-04 03:24 PM |
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This is a non-issue.....Jeeeez |
9215 |
May-22-04 05:57 PM |
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It doesn't seem to be a 'non issue' to many, many voters... |
Q |
May-22-04 06:20 PM |
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If dwelling on why we're there would have one iota of impetus to get us |
Tellurian |
May-22-04 07:24 PM |
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My 'sensibilities'? |
Q |
May-22-04 07:59 PM |
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Your statement doesn't wash with mine, Q- |
Tellurian |
May-22-04 08:19 PM |
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The quoted article says Kerry should apologize... |
Q |
May-22-04 11:47 PM |
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IMO this is the key: |
9215 |
May-22-04 09:54 PM |
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LOL!!! Yeaaagrrhhgghhhereeehhhaahh!!!!!! |
John_H |
May-23-04 12:12 AM |
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geez |
Forkboy |
May-23-04 03:33 AM |
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Bad advice. Period. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
May-23-04 10:49 AM |
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Kerry can't credibly say, "I should have known," because he did know. |
HFishbine |
May-23-04 10:54 AM |
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I'll take Kerry's word over "Common Dreams" any day |
wyldwolf |
May-23-04 02:52 PM |
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Thanks for posting the info... |
Tellurian |
May-23-04 03:04 PM |
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Well |
HFishbine |
May-24-04 10:49 AM |
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It's a good point. |
9215 |
May-23-04 06:45 PM |
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Good speech. It will win him votes and the election. |
genius |
May-23-04 03:05 PM |
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Kerry needs to tell the TRUTH- there are still too many lies in that |
BullGooseLoony |
May-23-04 07:02 PM |
#118 |
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