You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #122: If anyone knew what that vote would do it was Kerry! [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #76
122. If anyone knew what that vote would do it was Kerry!
We were sent to Vietnam to kill Communism. But we found instead that we were killing women and children.
John F. Kerry

... war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971

Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

-- Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening Star

There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
  -Question for the 'Kerry = Bush-lite' folks WilliamPitt  May-21-04 01:58 AM   #0 
  - the most conservative person talked about as having a position  JI7   May-21-04 02:04 AM   #1 
  - I seem to remember James Baker being mentioned at one point  ibegurpard   May-21-04 03:19 AM   #17 
     - Yes  HFishbine   May-21-04 07:37 AM   #35 
        - Bush lite means "Me too!"  niceypoo   May-21-04 09:06 AM   #48 
           - That is what I am saying.  Cascadian   May-23-04 09:17 AM   #116 
  - It's entirely possible  laconicsax   May-21-04 02:08 AM   #2 
  - So my baseless prediction is bad, but yours is OK?  WilliamPitt   May-21-04 02:10 AM   #3 
  - nader said gore would have gone into iraq  JI7   May-21-04 02:12 AM   #4 
     - Nader's an idiot  Stephanie   May-21-04 02:13 AM   #6 
     - correct  Skittles   May-21-04 04:54 AM   #18 
     - Nader did nothing but...  Nlighten1   May-21-04 08:50 AM   #45 
        - HEAR HEAR! eom  silverpatronus   May-21-04 10:02 AM   #65 
        - Bravo nlighten  Ardee   May-23-04 08:27 PM   #149 
     - And Clinton did start. Sent Albright & Berger out on a TOUR to drum up  Tinoire   May-21-04 07:22 AM   #28 
     - I remember this! Clintoned WANTED a PNAC war  Alerter_   May-21-04 09:41 AM   #58 
        - Yugoslavia was step one of the PNAC wars  Tinoire   May-21-04 09:48 AM   #62 
        - More than four...  Darranar   May-23-04 09:08 AM   #114 
     - gore said he would not have  goodhue   May-21-04 10:47 AM   #75 
     - not alone, not without a plan, not without a credible reason  gasperc   May-21-04 11:42 AM   #88 
     - And Gore said he wouldn't have attacked Iraq  texasblueeyes   May-22-04 11:05 AM   #105 
     - Once again, Nader failed to listen to what Gore actually said  AlGore2004dotORG   May-26-04 10:28 AM   #160 
  - Torture...  The_Enlightenment   May-21-04 02:13 AM   #7 
  - Don't be stupid  Stephanie   May-21-04 02:17 AM   #10 
     - You're kidding right? What about the School of the Americas  Tinoire   May-21-04 07:08 AM   #26 
     - Problems on several counts  kiahzero   May-21-04 07:25 AM   #30 
     - But ur point is what? That we just teach torture & know nothing about it?  Tinoire   May-21-04 08:24 AM   #39 
        - I'm well aware of what US Forces did in Latin America  kiahzero   May-21-04 08:37 AM   #41 
           - You didn't tell me anything. You regurgitated white-washing propaganda  Tinoire   May-21-04 09:43 AM   #59 
     - hey lets start another SOA thread for the apologists!  tinanator   May-23-04 09:01 AM   #112 
     - The US has never condoned torture?  Darranar   May-23-04 09:14 AM   #115 
  - OK, let me rephrase that (a little)  Why   May-21-04 11:09 AM   #85 
  - I am so horrified I can't stop crying  Stephanie   May-21-04 02:12 AM   #5 
  - It's no longer ours either  Tinoire   May-21-04 07:23 AM   #29 
  - I am crying too because I have come face-to-face with who we are  keithyboy   May-21-04 10:13 AM   #67 
  - Who can tell Will?  freeforall   May-21-04 02:14 AM   #8 
  - Those things are happening under Plan Colombia  IndianaGreen   May-21-04 02:15 AM   #9 
  - Thank you Indy. These apologetics are a little weak.  Tinoire   May-21-04 07:13 AM   #27 
  - A *LITTLE* WEAK?!  redqueen   May-21-04 07:07 PM   #92 
     - Kind? Are you being sarcastic? I feel like a total bitch  Tinoire   May-23-04 09:27 AM   #117 
  - absolutely true: US foreign policy contains a common thread  EdGy   May-22-04 08:35 AM   #102 
  - In a word, yes.  JackDragna   May-21-04 02:20 AM   #11 
  - Oh please  Stephanie   May-21-04 02:41 AM   #12 
  - Look at some of the posts above.  JackDragna   May-21-04 02:51 AM   #13 
  - Johnson was in office  Djinn   May-21-04 03:01 AM   #14 
  - My Lai happened on LBJ's watch as well.  greatauntoftriplets   May-21-04 06:51 AM   #25 
  - I knew Bush was full of shit and dangerous and his followers delusional  Cheswick   May-21-04 08:53 AM   #46 
  - That's a major crock, and you should know better.  Media_Lies_Daily   May-21-04 09:37 AM   #56 
     - Wow! It's a major crock!  JackDragna   May-21-04 10:56 PM   #95 
  - Yeah.  Paragon   May-21-04 03:03 AM   #15 
  - NO but, if it did  mr_du04   May-21-04 03:04 AM   #16 
  - snorf!  KG   May-21-04 05:07 AM   #19 
  - No. Not if he *knew* it was happening.  Blue-Jay   May-21-04 05:26 AM   #20 
  - So anything this side of Hitler is ok?  Don Claybrook   May-21-04 05:41 AM   #21 
  - How about a candidate who doesn't chase windmills?  Why   May-21-04 11:30 AM   #87 
     - Why are you talking about Nader?  Don Claybrook   May-22-04 07:00 AM   #97 
        - Actually, it does.  Why   May-22-04 11:23 AM   #108 
           - Maybe because they're something to sell there  Tinoire   May-23-04 09:30 AM   #119 
  - Ham sandwich or bust!  Forkboy   May-21-04 05:59 AM   #22 
  - Absolutely.  durutti   May-21-04 06:35 AM   #23 
  - If Gore was Pres. we wouldn't even be in Iraq right now.  Killarney   May-21-04 06:47 AM   #24 
  - YES, YES, YES, YES, YES  DemVet   May-21-04 07:26 AM   #31 
  - bull  Cheswick   May-21-04 08:47 AM   #44 
  - Simplistic...  DemVet   May-21-04 10:42 AM   #73 
     - nonsense bub  Cheswick   May-23-04 06:10 PM   #141 
  - How does someone inheriting a military...  tjwash   May-21-04 10:43 AM   #74 
  - It sure as hell happened under Senator Kerry  HFishbine   May-21-04 07:30 AM   #32 
  - How many Democrats voted AGAINST going to Iraq? Not too...  Media_Lies_Daily   May-21-04 09:38 AM   #57 
     - Nope  HFishbine   May-21-04 09:54 AM   #63 
     - Nope. Not too damn many as you say.  Tinoire   May-21-04 10:49 AM   #77 
     - 23 or roughly half of them  Carolina   May-23-04 10:52 AM   #128 
     - look at the ones in the congress  Cheswick   May-23-04 06:14 PM   #143 
     - Actually, two-thirds of the House voted against IWR  Larkspur   May-24-04 12:34 PM   #154 
  - yup.  jonnyblitz   May-21-04 07:36 AM   #33 
  - Here they come, the same ol' people.  John_H   May-21-04 07:36 AM   #34 
  - That should tell you something  HFishbine   May-21-04 07:48 AM   #36 
  - it'll also be good to see the  Djinn   May-23-04 06:27 PM   #145 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-04 08:09 AM   #37 
  - ug  Nlighten1   May-21-04 08:47 AM   #43 
     - Thanks & thanks for reading that & commenting  Tinoire   May-21-04 09:26 AM   #51 
        - I wonder why your post was deleted?  Nlighten1   May-21-04 01:34 PM   #90 
           - Amazing. It didn't insult anyone. Shows you how much the truth  Tinoire   May-23-04 09:56 AM   #123 
  - Quite possible.  PsychoDad   May-21-04 08:16 AM   #38 
  - How can anybody think Kerry is PNAC?  Sparkly   May-21-04 09:08 AM   #49 
     - Have you read of the DLC's collaboration with PNAC? Of PPI?  Tinoire   May-21-04 09:37 AM   #55 
        - PNAC/PPI are not Coke/Pepsi  Sparkly   May-21-04 10:52 AM   #81 
  - _Probably_ not, but  GreenPartyVoter   May-21-04 08:27 AM   #40 
  - I think Kerry voted for this to happen because he wanted to be President  Cheswick   May-21-04 08:45 AM   #42 
  - What?! No Senators voted for *this* to happen!  Sparkly   May-21-04 09:05 AM   #47 
     - most of them voted for this war knowing it was crap  Cheswick   May-21-04 09:35 AM   #53 
     - He didn't vote for torture pictures cuz he wanted to be president?  Sparkly   May-21-04 09:47 AM   #61 
        - " I absolutely do not believe Kerry or others voted for the IWR ....  God_bush_n_cheney   May-21-04 11:01 AM   #84 
        - Why?  Sparkly   May-21-04 07:08 PM   #93 
           - Same reason he voted for every aspect of corporate globalization  Tinoire   May-23-04 09:47 AM   #121 
              - And many of those aspects of corporate globalization...  Darranar   May-23-04 11:22 AM   #130 
                 - That's how I view it. I found Kerry curiously silent during the sugar  Tinoire   May-23-04 11:31 AM   #134 
                    - The DLC may be less evil than the RNC...  Darranar   May-23-04 11:41 AM   #136 
                       - Well written. That's my position too. n/t  Tinoire   May-23-04 11:47 AM   #138 
        - well then neither of you is smart enough to be president  Cheswick   May-23-04 06:12 PM   #142 
     - Yes, they did vote for this to happen  Radical Activist   May-21-04 10:19 AM   #70 
        - They voted to defend the US  Sparkly   May-21-04 10:48 AM   #76 
        - Defend from who?  Radical Activist   May-21-04 10:47 PM   #94 
        - "without cause"  Sparkly   May-23-04 08:55 PM   #150 
        - If anyone knew what that vote would do it was Kerry!  Tinoire   May-23-04 09:54 AM   #122 
        - DEFEND the US?  Cheswick   May-23-04 06:27 PM   #146 
        - Yes, I know  Sparkly   May-23-04 08:58 PM   #151 
        - If you sign somebody's  darboy   May-23-04 07:43 PM   #148 
        - Well said. n/t  Tinoire   May-21-04 10:50 AM   #78 
        - yes, exactly  Cheswick   May-23-04 06:25 PM   #144 
  - I expect more from you WilliamPitt than this. . .  beam_me_up   May-21-04 09:21 AM   #50 
  - Can I just add "Ditto"? Thank you.  Tinoire   May-21-04 09:28 AM   #52 
  - Amen!  Paulie   May-21-04 10:01 AM   #64 
  - I dont  Forkboy   May-23-04 04:48 AM   #111 
  - Never mind that my friend...  Nlighten1   May-23-04 09:31 AM   #120 
  - Right before these pictures broke wide open  CWebster   May-21-04 09:35 AM   #54 
  - I thought Kerry was referring to part of his statement where he...  Media_Lies_Daily   May-21-04 09:45 AM   #60 
     - his own words:  CWebster   May-21-04 10:03 AM   #66 
        - There it is in black and white:  beam_me_up   May-21-04 10:16 AM   #69 
           - Damn Beam_me_up  Tinoire   May-21-04 10:51 AM   #80 
  - Kerry: "we must stay the course" in Iraq  Radical Activist   May-21-04 10:15 AM   #68 
  - Is there a reason to believe he wouldn't?  leesa   May-21-04 10:20 AM   #71 
  - Here's my take on the Bush Administration....Joke for the Day!  Tight_rope   May-21-04 10:37 AM   #72 
  - NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NONO NO!!!!!!!!!  tom_paine   May-21-04 10:50 AM   #79 
  - Over the course of the 4 years he's proposing? Hell, yes.  bandera   May-21-04 10:54 AM   #82 
  - Maybe, maybe not  Vladimir   May-21-04 11:00 AM   #83 
  - Yeah, I'm still voting for him  dave29   May-21-04 11:26 AM   #86 
  - Well, actually...  the_real_38   May-21-04 11:42 AM   #89 
  - War crimes are not the sole property of the Republican party...  markomalley   May-21-04 07:02 PM   #91 
  - Thread turned out to be a magnet for the loony, uninformed tinfoiled crowd  robbedvoter   May-21-04 11:18 PM   #96 
  - Kerry is as much a facist as anyone else in Congress who voted for the  AudreyT   May-22-04 08:23 AM   #101 
  - I guess if I need tinfoil to say Kerry is a "politician" then...  markomalley   May-22-04 10:59 AM   #104 
  - right on  tinanator   May-23-04 03:51 AM   #109 
  - Too bad you missed Tinoire's earlier post...  Nlighten1   May-23-04 09:27 AM   #118 
  - "loony, uninformed tinfoil crowd"?  Darranar   May-23-04 11:33 AM   #135 
  - Hey Will, let me add to that list if you will (no pun intended).  Rebellious Republican   May-22-04 07:25 AM   #98 
  - yup  AudreyT   May-22-04 08:05 AM   #99 
  - I dont think it would have happened under President Gore  tinanator   May-22-04 08:21 AM   #100 
  - aw heck no, of course not  tinanator   May-22-04 08:46 AM   #103 
  - You're too damned astute my friend  Tinoire   May-22-04 11:05 AM   #106 
  - Absolutely  Astarho   May-22-04 11:20 AM   #107 
  - Absolutely.  eurolefty   May-23-04 04:39 AM   #110 
  - Yes. n/t  Darranar   May-23-04 09:06 AM   #113 
  - Well. Since my earlier post was deleted for killing your argument dead  Tinoire   May-23-04 10:12 AM   #124 
  - no real wonder actually  tinanator   May-23-04 10:26 AM   #126 
  - LMAO. Thanks n/t  Tinoire   May-23-04 11:25 AM   #132 
  - What was in your post?  GeronimoSkull   May-23-04 11:08 AM   #129 
     - I have no idea why it was deleted  Tinoire   May-23-04 11:25 AM   #131 
        - The lesser of two evils is still  God_bush_n_cheney   May-23-04 11:42 AM   #137 
           - Hi and damned typo!  Tinoire   May-23-04 11:51 AM   #139 
  - No.  LWolf   May-23-04 10:14 AM   #125 
  - no, but it was predictable that BushCo  Carolina   May-23-04 10:44 AM   #127 
  - One administration versus an entire country.  Gregorian   May-23-04 11:30 AM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-23-04 03:43 PM   #140 
  - Maybe it's time you looked at  Djinn   May-23-04 06:44 PM   #147 
  - I'm not a Kerry = Bush lite folk, but the answer is yes....  Violet_Crumble   May-24-04 06:14 AM   #152 
  - does anyone else hear that sound when they open this thread?  tinanator   May-24-04 09:03 AM   #153 
  - If Kerry is following the liberal-hawks, like Biden and Holbrooke  Larkspur   May-24-04 12:40 PM   #155 
  - Makes one wonder why Kerry voted for those things to happen  JVS   May-25-04 11:21 AM   #156 
  - Why no reponses from you Will?  Forkboy   May-25-04 11:43 AM   #157 
  - kick  Forkboy   May-26-04 09:58 AM   #158 
  - wow, great, effective post! thanks WilliamPitt. n/t  Paradise   May-26-04 10:16 AM   #159 
  - the entire fucking WAR is the problem, not just Abu Ghraib  scrotim   May-26-04 10:35 AM   #161 
  - I'm not a Kerry=Bushie, but I object to the premis of this thread  AlGore2004dotORG   May-26-04 10:53 AM   #162 
  - THANK YOU! Wartime atrocities occur under Democrats too!  bigbillhaywood   May-26-04 01:30 PM   #163 
  - That post has all the integrity of a Willie Horton ad  GeronimoSkull   May-26-04 01:38 PM   #164 
     - You are correct on both counts  Forkboy   May-26-04 01:54 PM   #165 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC