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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:03 PM
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134. Your question doesn't exactly make sense.
Who is "you" and whose hearts and minds are you winning?

The bushies haven't won any hearts and minds in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere in the freakin' world for that matter. They not only allowed the prison abuse to happen, but they compounded it by not apologizing for it and for trying to cover it up to the extent that a media person -- Sy Hersh, bless his little bulldog heart -- forced their hand.

The bushies would like for the whole prison abuse scandal to go away. They would like a nice distraction -- Shark Attack! Democratic senator sex scandal! -- and I wouldn't put it past them to manufacture one.

I think they'd also like to get some sympathy, meaning they want the people who are drifting away from the approval numbers to come back. They want something that will go out to the public and say, "See, we're doing something right for a change! The jobs are coming back, the environment is cleaner, and the war is going better! And don't you feel sorry for us that we can't do an better job because it really isn't our fault?"

But I don't think engineering the murder of an American businessman and pinning the blame on a group of radical Islamists -- who are known to have been the object of various warnings to the bushies in the recent past, warnings which were pointedly ignored -- is the best way to accomplish this.

Now, is it possible that the bushies are in such a sweat over the plummeting approval numbers and the prison abuse revelations that they screwed up and planned the murder without a great deal of caution and preparation? I don't think so. Is it possible that they were so sloppy in their execution (bad pun intended) that they let one of the operatives wear sneakers? C'mon, will someone please admit that sneakers as evidence of American nationality is utterly absurd? Again, I don't think they'd be this sloppy.

There's all this talk on DU about the damn orange jumpsuit Berg was wearing at the time of his murder. no one seems even to respond to the posts that a.) he was released from U.S. custody at least three days before his disappearance and therefore it is HIGHLY unlikely he was wearing the same prison jumpsuit he might have been wearing in jail and b.) the jumpsuit he was wearing in the murder video appears to be very different in fabric and construction from standarn prison-issue clothing. It's as if the conspiracy believers are just not willing to accept counter evidence.

There are even people arguing that the walls in the murder video are the same color as the walls in Abu Ghraib! As if that's evidence! Of what? That he was murdered in Abu Ghraib?? or that more than one interior in Iraq is painted yellow?

Do the bushies have anything to gain from Berg's murder? Maybe. Maybe it will stir up enough bloodlust and thirst for vengeance to push *'s approval numbers up the way 9/11 did. But there are other people out there who may just say Berg's murder is proof of the bushies' impotence in iraq, their repeated mistakes, the wrongness of the U.S. invasion and continued occupation. I don't think the bushies are stupid enough to take what appears to me to be a 50-50 risk. I think they prefer the odds to be much more in their favor.

Do I think John Negroponte would have hesitated to have Berg murdered if he thought it would do "The Cause" any good? No. I think he has not one ounce of scruples and that the only morality he knows is power. I am sickened at the thought of him in Iraq and I'm disgusted that the Dems approved his nomination. But do I think he engineered the bizarre chain of events that culminated in Nick Berg's murder? No, I don't.

Sometimes, things just happen. Sometimes someone really is in the wrong place at the wrong time -- look at all the prisoners on death row who have been exonerated when someone looked closer at the evidence, or people who are killed by random gunshots -- and as little as we want to accept that things do just happen, I think we have to understand that there are more dynamics at work in Iraq than just the bushies' greed. There really are people there who want to kill us, who want to make an example of American individuals, who are out for revenge, who have different values and traditions than we do.

Now, on the other hand, if your question addresses why would the bushies squander the post-9/11 goodwill that the U.S. enjoyed and go ahead and invade Iraq, well, I guess the only answer is that they were drunk with power and thought they could get away with it. Napoleon thought he could invade Russia in the winter. So did Enver Pasha. So did Hitler. People do dumb things. And so I suppose if we acknowledge that the bushies have done some stupid things, then we have to accept that they might do other stupid things, like carry out the kidnapping and murder of an American businessman for political purposes even though it might backfire on them.

I'm not going to argue that. We'd be getting into really speculative territory and I'm not ready to go there.

But I think it's foolish at this point to base bizarre conspiracy theories on fragile evidence and then ignore the debunking of that evidence to maintain the conspiracy theory.

I've said way too much, and no one is going to pay attention anyway.
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