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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #51
113. Possible answers --
Why was Berg in Iraq?

He originally had some kind of contract to do some kind of work. he was there for a month or so, work ended, he went home. Decided to go back to Iraq to look for more work.

I know that's an incredibly bizarre suggestion, that someone would go to Iraq looking for work repairing communications towers, but well, it just might be, mightn't it????

Did he really just go there at his own initiative because he thought he could get work installing antennas?

Maybe he did and maybe he didn't. Seems like you asked a question, assumed an answer, but don't like that answer so you want another one. Berg's family has apparently said he went to Iraq to fix/install radio towers. obviously, of course, since they're his parents, and his father is his business partner, they can't be trusted to tell the truth. (sarcasm turned down, but not off).

Why was Berg jailed by the US military in Iraq?

We don't know. Maybe they wanted to know why he was wandering around Iraq without a stated purpose. Maybe he had been seen in the company of some former Ba'athists, trying to find work. But I think it's a pretty big leap to think that just because Berg was picked up by the Iraqi police (who are working basically at the pleasure of the CAP) he must have been murdered by the CIA two months later.

Was he subject to interrogation by military intelligence?

You're asking this in a kind of tone that implies something is being hidden. I believe it was clearly stated that the Iraqi police turned him over to the CAP. The military is running everything, including the prisons. Was he held there for 13 days because no one believed he was an American? Was he held for 13 days because that's how long it took to process him? Dunno. But those might be legit questions to ask, too.

Why was he released? When? And to whose custody?

He was released 13 days after his arrest. He was probably released because they figured out he was an American looking for communications construction work. He was released into his own custody, because he went back to his hotel and contacted his parents and told them he was going to try to get back to the States via Kuwait and Jordan because the increased fighting had closed a lot of the roads.

Was he on his way home to the US, and if so how?

One can, I think, safely assume he was on his way back to the U.S. since that's what he told his parents he was going to do. Of course, I suppose they can be part of the conspiracy, faking their anti-war stance, etc., etc., etc.

Where has he been since April 9?

Apparently, he's been "missing." One might logically assume he was kidnapped around that time by the people who ultimately murdered him. This sort of thing happens, and it's not just the CIA who does it. There have been several reports of X number of Americans "missing" in Iraq, whether they are attached to contractors or security personnel or aid workers or reporters or what, who knows. But it's been no secret that a number of them are missing and presumed either dead or in the hands of kidnappers of one stripe or another.

As opportunistic as * may be, isn't it possible that al-Zarqawi (sp)(who may or may not himself have been in the video, thus explaining how the voice didn't sound like him) took advantage of an opportunity to snatch an unguarded American? Maybe to use as a hostage to bargain for the release of some other al-Qaeda types being held, even if the CAP didn't know (yet) that they were al-Qaeda?

Was he a critic of the US occupation?

Apparently not, as he seemed to be trying his best to take advantage of business opportunities provided by the occupation. His father was anti-war, but that doesn't mean either one of them was anti-business opportunities. One of the parents stated that Nick wanted to try to help the Iraqi people, so it doesn't sound like he was vocal in any kind of opposition; most of the major contractors are using "we want to help the Iraqi people" as a cover-up for their nefarious schemes.

Who are the "real perps"?

I suspect the real perps are the guys in the video. They might even be followers of al-Zarqawi, anti-American muslim extremists, loyal to Osama bin-Laden. . . . . . .




Look, I hate the bushies and I wouldn't put anything past them, but if we spend all our time looking for far-out conspiracies, I think we're in mega danger of losing sight of the obvious enemies: the terrorists. And haven't we been accusing the bushies of ignoring Afghanistan and OBL and al-Qaeda in favor of going after his personal bogeyman Saddam? Aren't we maybe just a bit guilty of the same thing, looking for our own bushie bogeyman where there isn't one, and in the process letting the real bad guy get away?

Sorry this has taken me so long to write that it probably will end up way down-thread of the original question.

Tansy Gold

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  -Nick Bergs killers are WHITE..... truebrit71  May-11-04 04:05 PM   #0 
  - Not all Muslims are brown  WilliamPitt   May-11-04 04:06 PM   #1 
  - You've seen the video for yourself Will....  truebrit71   May-11-04 04:07 PM   #4 
  - See post #1  WilliamPitt   May-11-04 04:07 PM   #7 
  - It's a possibility...  KissMyAsscroft   May-11-04 04:08 PM   #10 
     - Definitely not proof  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:16 PM   #28 
     - What exactly are "white mannerisms"? n/t  dirk   May-11-04 04:17 PM   #30 
     - practicing one's golf swing without a club  Neo Progressive   May-11-04 05:23 PM   #78 
     - They're LOTS of 'em!  Karenina   May-11-04 05:43 PM   #84 
     - Look at the picture Judilyn posted  Tinoire   May-11-04 06:08 PM   #93 
        - Tinoire  dirk   May-12-04 10:04 AM   #138 
     - Is there a possibility that the "white" guys were chosen  saywhat   May-11-04 04:54 PM   #64 
  - Yep...  KissMyAsscroft   May-11-04 04:07 PM   #6 
  - That reminds me of when Malcolm X came back from Mecca  Mountainman   May-11-04 04:11 PM   #16 
  - As well as many Afghanis and Iranians.  Cleita   May-11-04 04:20 PM   #36 
  - Is There Talking In It?? (I Don't Want To Watch Thank You!)  K8-EEE   May-11-04 04:42 PM   #59 
  - They speak for awhile, actually  Castilleja   May-11-04 05:08 PM   #69 
     - I'm almost Arabic is written from right to left, and it looks very.....  TheDeb   May-12-04 02:53 PM   #147 
  - I would hazard to guess most Egyptian, Syrian  RapidCreek   May-11-04 07:40 PM   #108 
  - WillPitt, what are your thoughts about the orange jumpsuit and yellow wall  keithyboy   May-11-04 10:22 PM   #130 
     - yeah, since when did the terrorist come up with prison uniforms  okieinpain   May-12-04 01:17 PM   #144 
  - Guess what? Iraqis are white.  troublemaker   May-11-04 04:06 PM   #2 
  - Yes  oneighty   May-11-04 04:09 PM   #11 
  - I think Iraqis are Arabs  lancdem   May-11-04 04:15 PM   #25 
     - Arabs are Caucasian. n/t  QC   May-11-04 06:49 PM   #103 
     - Arabs  oneighty   May-12-04 09:55 AM   #137 
  - Thank you! Look at this picture  doni_georgia   May-11-04 05:05 PM   #68 
     - Do you have the link that goes with that story from USA TODAY?  Tinoire   May-11-04 06:25 PM   #95 
     - Here's the link  doni_georgia   May-11-04 06:33 PM   #98 
        - Thanks!  Tinoire   May-11-04 07:38 PM   #107 
     - man if that does look like a poster for the nra in west virginia.  okieinpain   May-12-04 01:18 PM   #145 
  - Many Muslims are VERY white ....  Trajan   May-11-04 04:07 PM   #3 
  - I think the poster is insinuating the killers are Americans.  cat_girl25   May-11-04 04:10 PM   #13 
     - CIA is my guess  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:11 PM   #15 
     - Yeah because the CIA has SO much interest in beheading American  Bombtrack   May-11-04 04:13 PM   #19 
     - If it furthers Bush's agenda and gets the focus OFF the  truebrit71   May-11-04 04:22 PM   #42 
     - It's childish to believe in this narrow minded extremist point of view  Bombtrack   May-11-04 04:30 PM   #52 
     - agreed  bhunt70   May-11-04 04:52 PM   #63 
     - What's childish is to uncritically buy whatever the US media is selling.  stickdog   May-11-04 05:46 PM   #86 
     - I'm sorry but where the fuck did I say Israel had ANYTHING to do with this  truebrit71   May-11-04 06:02 PM   #90 
     - there are many,many people worldwide  Ardee   May-11-04 06:46 PM   #102 
     - Just out of curiousity, how much money do you think is currently....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-11-04 11:11 PM   #135 
     - Looking at front page of Washington Post  Mike Daniels   May-12-04 03:50 PM   #151 
     - Yep. It had to be those terraists who hate freedom and gas puppies!  stickdog   May-11-04 05:39 PM   #82 
        - Great point about the codec  RapidCreek   May-11-04 07:50 PM   #112 
        - You can download it for free at Microsoft.  QC   May-12-04 11:07 AM   #141 
        - Stickdog! Please!  Tinoire   May-11-04 08:22 PM   #115 
     - Nail...meet head!  tom_paine   May-11-04 04:14 PM   #20 
     - COINTELPRO  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:15 PM   #24 
        - Agreed. n.t  tom_paine   May-11-04 04:22 PM   #41 
     - That is just stupid...  snooper2   May-11-04 04:46 PM   #61 
        - Sorta like a post  Walt Starr   May-11-04 09:23 PM   #126 
     - Yup..got it in one....  truebrit71   May-11-04 04:20 PM   #35 
     - The person on the far right appears to me to be a women  0007   May-11-04 08:34 PM   #117 
     - An insinuation without cause ....  Trajan   May-11-04 04:28 PM   #48 
        - The only thing it's consistent with is bad Republican screenwriting.  stickdog   May-11-04 05:50 PM   #87 
  - Could you be more specific?  tom_paine   May-11-04 04:07 PM   #5 
  - It's kind of hard to nail down...  truebrit71   May-11-04 04:14 PM   #21 
     - Interesting. I'll be watching it later.  tom_paine   May-11-04 04:21 PM   #40 
     - Respectfully, and vehemently, disagree  x-g.o.p.er   May-11-04 04:27 PM   #47 
     - It may be your intuition suggesting  Castilleja   May-11-04 05:16 PM   #74 
  - Arabs are Caucasoids, not negroids. They come from the same  Bombtrack   May-11-04 04:08 PM   #8 
  - Yep, I watched the entire thing, too  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:08 PM   #9 
  - See Post #1  WilliamPitt   May-11-04 04:10 PM   #14 
  - Thanks for sharing that with us, Walt.  TheDeb   May-11-04 04:11 PM   #17 
     - I figure most people don't have the stomach to watch the thing  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:12 PM   #18 
        - i made the mistake of  chimpsrsmarter   May-11-04 04:15 PM   #23 
        - Good for you.  Bog Frog   May-11-04 04:15 PM   #26 
  - You may be right  Castilleja   May-11-04 04:09 PM   #12 
  - somebody said they speak with accent.........  bolokshi   May-11-04 04:14 PM   #22 
  - Per CNN: Arabs saying it wasn't Zarqawi's voice n/t  Tinoire   May-11-04 04:21 PM   #39 
  - Are you an expert of Arabic "posture"  dirk   May-11-04 04:16 PM   #27 
  - Well, there have been lots of stories about some US  napi21   May-11-04 04:17 PM   #29 
  - Ignore the ridicule & condescension  Tinoire   May-11-04 04:17 PM   #31 
  - Thanks....i am gob-smacked at the bile being slung around here..  truebrit71   May-11-04 06:09 PM   #94 
  - Just phoned somebody who's spent years in the Middle East  TrogL   May-11-04 04:18 PM   #32 
  - It's very common. Just like terra'ists releasing gruesome blurry videos  stickdog   May-11-04 05:42 PM   #83 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-11-04 04:19 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-11-04 04:26 PM   #46 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-11-04 04:36 PM   #54 
  - you ignore legitimate questions  goodhue   May-11-04 04:30 PM   #51 
     - Possible answers --  Tansy_Gold   May-11-04 08:07 PM   #113 
        - Thank you  troublemaker   May-11-04 08:23 PM   #116 
           - You're welcome. And a follow-up to my own post  Tansy_Gold   May-11-04 08:36 PM   #118 
              - Tansy - answer this  Must_B_Free   May-11-04 09:13 PM   #122 
                 - Your question doesn't exactly make sense.  Tansy_Gold   May-11-04 11:03 PM   #134 
                 - Because  RobinA   May-12-04 03:21 PM   #150 
  - CIA?  goodhue   May-11-04 04:20 PM   #34 
  - I dunno, but it certainly could be!  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:38 PM   #55 
  - When you combine  Lex   May-11-04 04:20 PM   #37 
  - BINGO!  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:23 PM   #44 
  - Once was a king ...  Trajan   May-11-04 04:35 PM   #53 
  - good point, but it is equally likely  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:39 PM   #57 
  - a satiny/shiney orange jumpsuit? looks like a robe to me.  salin   May-11-04 04:58 PM   #66 
  - ## Support Democratic Underground! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-11-04 04:20 PM   #38 
  - What are Western mannerisms as compared to Middle Eastern mannerisms?  rinsd   May-11-04 04:23 PM   #43 
  - TrueBrit- This thread is for you. Without even seeing they were "White"  Tinoire   May-11-04 04:25 PM   #45 
  - Thanks for the link...I simply cannot believe some people in this thread..  truebrit71   May-11-04 04:29 PM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-11-04 04:44 PM   #60 
     - Right. From the guy who wants Fox news to drum up the blood-thirst!  Tinoire   May-11-04 04:56 PM   #65 
        - Are you suggesting....  crushbush04   May-11-04 05:13 PM   #71 
           - Where were you all over the torture scandal?  Tinoire   May-11-04 05:18 PM   #76 
           - Where? It wasn't at DU.  Tinoire   May-11-04 05:28 PM   #81 
  - These criminals neednt be Zarqawi ...  Trajan   May-11-04 04:39 PM   #56 
     - We can no more conclude these were Al-Queda extremists  Walt Starr   May-11-04 04:40 PM   #58 
     - The video is called "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American"  Tinoire   May-11-04 05:03 PM   #67 
  - WHITE and FAT ....  bushgottago   May-11-04 04:29 PM   #49 
  - LOL LOL LOL  crushbush04   May-11-04 04:51 PM   #62 
     - You're not converted from squat. Why pretend?  Tinoire   May-11-04 05:13 PM   #70 
        - You really think so  crushbush04   May-11-04 05:26 PM   #80 
           - Sigh.  Tinoire   May-11-04 05:51 PM   #88 
              - It is amazing...  crushbush04   May-11-04 07:41 PM   #109 
                 - Bull-shit. You WANT Fox to run with this story. The "Why" is irrelevant  Tinoire   May-11-04 09:17 PM   #123 
                    - Progressive...  crushbush04   May-11-04 10:12 PM   #127 
  - WARNING - You REALLY don't want to watch it!!!  bushgottago   May-11-04 05:14 PM   #72 
  - i gonna give that  chimpsrsmarter   May-11-04 05:16 PM   #75 
  - I think I will third it.  Castilleja   May-11-04 05:24 PM   #79 
  - Someone wants us to hate the Arabs REAL bad . n/t  Tinoire   May-11-04 05:21 PM   #77 
  - Nice baseless accusation.  JohnLocke   May-11-04 05:45 PM   #85 
  - Oh for crying out loud John Locke- that is not what I was inferring  Tinoire   May-11-04 06:29 PM   #96 
  - Yep.  mountainvue   May-11-04 06:02 PM   #91 
  - AND make "torture" at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Camp Bucca, and all  Eloriel   May-11-04 08:16 PM   #114 
     - Oh Lo  Tinoire   May-11-04 09:19 PM   #124 
  - i black out at scary movies  meow mix   May-11-04 06:33 PM   #99 
  - Just read this thread with interest, then saw this still photo at CNN  JudiLyn   May-11-04 05:14 PM   #73 
  - It struck me as well when I saw it on CNN....  nomaco-10   May-11-04 05:55 PM   #89 
  - How about this?  knight_of_the_star   May-11-04 08:44 PM   #119 
  - Before I get slammed any more as a racial profiler..let me clarify..  truebrit71   May-11-04 06:06 PM   #92 
  - "Feel free to keep stereo-typing me"  rinsd   May-11-04 06:31 PM   #97 
  - you have admit the timing helps bush,  hippiegranny   May-11-04 06:37 PM   #100 
  - I don't see that. They look and sound very Muslim to me.  tedthebear   May-11-04 06:38 PM   #101 
  - What accent did the Arabic have?  Karenina   May-11-04 07:17 PM   #105 
  - Something I noticed about the speaker  knight_of_the_star   May-11-04 09:19 PM   #125 
  - You're damn right they're Non Muslim.....  nomaco-10   May-11-04 06:52 PM   #104 
  - Where did you view it? Thanks n/t  Tinoire   May-11-04 07:41 PM   #110 
  - Does Orange Jumpsuit match Abu Ghraib Prison?  bushgottago   May-11-04 07:35 PM   #106 
  - NO!  troublemaker   May-11-04 10:19 PM   #129 
  - I wouldn't call their mannerisms "white"I  messiertom   May-11-04 07:46 PM   #111 
  - "White" was a bad choice of words..it sure got a bunch of folks here all  truebrit71   May-11-04 08:47 PM   #121 
     - I understand  messiertom   May-11-04 11:40 PM   #136 
  - Just Wait and See  jokerman2004   May-11-04 08:46 PM   #120 
  - What exactly are "White" mannerisms? n/t  sgcase   May-11-04 10:14 PM   #128 
  - isn't it just possible their mannerisms are of someone  bhunt70   May-11-04 10:25 PM   #131 
  - As a language person, I want to know...  Lydia Leftcoast   May-11-04 10:54 PM   #132 
  - Tee-hee!!!  Karenina   May-12-04 11:04 AM   #140 
  - These guys are too fat to be our black ops guys  TroubleMan   May-11-04 10:55 PM   #133 
  - Ah but we have now outsourced all sorts of things -  Tinoire   May-12-04 03:04 PM   #149 
  - It doesn't have to have been US forces doing this  Az   May-12-04 10:04 AM   #139 
  - nice racist post  WoodrowFan   May-12-04 12:03 PM   #142 
  - These guys could be from anywhere.  Canadian_moderate   May-12-04 01:04 PM   #143 
  - Has anyone told Bush they're not "brown-skinned?"  TheWizardOfMudd   May-12-04 01:22 PM   #146 
  - Based on results.... Now who benefitted from his death?  genius   May-12-04 02:59 PM   #148 
 

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