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99. that's lower middleclass...middleclass 80k to 199k
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  -Do people on DU really think $88,000 annual is rich? Ripley  Aug-10-03 12:08 PM   #0 
  - Hi Ripley  oneighty   Aug-10-03 12:18 PM   #1 
  - Hi 180!  Ripley   Aug-10-03 12:33 PM   #7 
  - 32k a year  Isome   Aug-10-03 12:36 PM   #12 
     - that sounds reasonable. I've read the average college graduate makes $40K  Iris   Aug-10-03 03:21 PM   #77 
  - Depends  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-10-03 01:01 PM   #28 
  - Precisely. $90K in Chicago is nothing when 2BR condos are $300K  kysrsoze   Aug-10-03 09:11 PM   #111 
  - yeah. In Seattle $88k is....  Heddi   Aug-11-03 11:47 AM   #157 
  - That's right Heddy, $88K in Seattle...  fortyfeetunder   Aug-11-03 11:43 PM   #202 
  - In NYC, anything below six figures is low income (relatively speaking)...  smirkymonkey   Aug-11-03 12:58 PM   #167 
  - living in South Carolina, Alabama etc  private_ryan   Aug-11-03 11:57 PM   #203 
  - Everyone in America thinks they are upperclass.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-10-03 12:18 PM   #2 
  - most think they are middle class  pop goes the weasel   Aug-10-03 12:40 PM   # 
  - rich for one income...middle  mjb4   Aug-10-03 12:21 PM   #3 
  - It's well off  DinoBoy   Aug-10-03 12:22 PM   #4 
  - It's a good living depending on how many that amount supports  texasblueeyes   Aug-10-03 03:08 PM   #74 
  - Well certain people do  Nicholas_J   Aug-10-03 12:29 PM   #5 
  - The American Dream  stopbush   Aug-10-03 12:32 PM   #6 
  - I don't believe that.  Ripley   Aug-10-03 12:36 PM   #13 
  - Thanks for clarifying that with numbers.  Ripley   Aug-10-03 12:35 PM   #10 
  - Sometime yes and sometimes no  silverlib   Aug-10-03 05:34 PM   #92 
  - Nice clarification.  poskonig   Aug-11-03 10:21 AM   #143 
  - Considering my income is a third of that,  Clete   Aug-10-03 12:33 PM   #8 
  - if someone making $88,000 is  tpub   Aug-10-03 12:35 PM   #9 
  - $88,000 per year is not rich.  The Lone Liberal   Aug-10-03 12:36 PM   #11 
  - It certainly would be at MY house  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-10-03 12:40 PM   #14 
  - Now look at the vast differences in post responses here.  Ripley   Aug-10-03 12:40 PM   #15 
     - You ask if that were rich  The Lone Liberal   Aug-10-03 12:48 PM   #19 
     - 3% is low?  stopbush   Aug-10-03 01:06 PM   #31 
     - For two income families it may be a little low  Brian Sweat   Aug-11-03 12:15 PM   #162 
     - The 3% figure is low, but may be correct  jafap   Aug-10-03 06:03 PM   #96 
  - It's poor to the rich. It's rich to me.  aquart   Aug-10-03 12:42 PM   #16 
  - You could try and goolge to see what the average  MUAD_DIB   Aug-10-03 12:45 PM   #17 
  - Actually, I am trying to find out right now  Clete   Aug-10-03 01:02 PM   #29 
     - Jody posted the same links I have below.n/t  Clete   Aug-10-03 02:01 PM   #57 
  - Everyone here keeps making a basic mistake...  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 12:45 PM   #18 
  - Here's one for you  stopbush   Aug-10-03 01:24 PM   #46 
  - You nailed it!  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 01:54 PM   #54 
  - Tracing assets is very complex  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-10-03 01:55 PM   #55 
  - I agree, but we seem to make do with housing..  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 02:08 PM   #59 
     - Other assets  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-10-03 02:14 PM   #62 
        - To an extent, but we make do...  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 03:01 PM   #71 
        - Not exactly.  shimmergal   Aug-11-03 12:11 PM   #161 
  - A tax on assets takes no account of ability to pay  starroute   Aug-10-03 02:37 PM   #68 
     - Read post 56 below.....  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 02:48 PM   #70 
  - I'll take the $40k  Fescue4u   Aug-10-03 08:04 PM   #107 
  - Squarely Middle Class.  Fescue4u   Aug-10-03 08:08 PM   #108 
  - Wealth would be fine  SyracuseDemocrat   Aug-10-03 03:45 PM   #82 
  - John Edwards is talking about this!!  tjdee   Aug-11-03 11:55 AM   #159 
  - Stats from PBS site  Isome   Aug-10-03 12:54 PM   #20 
  - you seem to have a mistaken impression  Cheswick   Aug-10-03 12:55 PM   #21 
  - What the hell is your problem?  Ripley   Aug-11-03 07:34 AM   #130 
  - The word "rich" is a relative term  greekspeak   Aug-10-03 12:56 PM   #22 
  - It is well off  Nikia   Aug-10-03 12:56 PM   #23 
  - I'm not far from that figure  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 12:58 PM   #24 
  - Go to Salary.com  Superfly   Aug-10-03 12:58 PM   #25 
  - Actually, run the "Salary Timer"  Superfly   Aug-10-03 02:07 PM   #58 
  - Geeez, that's about what I make!!!  MindPilot   Aug-10-03 12:58 PM   #26 
  - Avatar  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 12:59 PM   #27 
     - You're right but my house is going up $50k a year  MindPilot   Aug-10-03 01:09 PM   #32 
        - Nice!  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 01:17 PM   #41 
        - Does anyone else here see a problem with this post?  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 01:28 PM   #48 
        - No...  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 01:36 PM   #49 
        - How???  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 01:46 PM   #51 
        - Because...  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 01:48 PM   #52 
        - Actually, I am suggesting taxing assets...  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 02:00 PM   #56 
           - I agree it's unfair...  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 02:10 PM   #60 
              - Consumption taxes  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-10-03 02:15 PM   #64 
                 - To an extent  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 02:16 PM   #65 
        - Assets  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-10-03 01:48 PM   #53 
        - It's a bit more complicated than that  MindPilot   Aug-10-03 02:13 PM   #61 
           - It's not that complicated....  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 02:43 PM   #69 
        - Are you still calling me a schmuck?  jafap   Aug-10-03 06:26 PM   #98 
        - So what about my parents?  Yupster   Aug-10-03 03:40 PM   #80 
        - As I mentioned before, deductions would protect  Feminist_man   Aug-10-03 05:13 PM   #89 
        - who are you calling a schmuck?  jafap   Aug-10-03 06:22 PM   #97 
        - Yeah, but....  kysrsoze   Aug-10-03 09:14 PM   #112 
        - I hate to rain on your parade,  Brian Sweat   Aug-11-03 12:23 PM   #165 
  - The payroll tax cut off is *always* calculated as an individual  w4rma   Aug-10-03 01:04 PM   #30 
  - Context helps here  dsc   Aug-10-03 01:10 PM   #33 
  - Payroll tax  FatbackSlim   Aug-10-03 01:17 PM   #40 
     - That would work  dsc   Aug-10-03 03:03 PM   #72 
     - The proposal is to remove SS cap on Benefits as Wage cap's removed  papau   Aug-10-03 03:30 PM   #78 
  - If I were making that much  HootieMcBoob   Aug-10-03 01:11 PM   #34 
  - Census figures  kenzee13   Aug-10-03 01:12 PM   #35 
  - Manhattan (NYC) skewing of top brackets  NewYorkerfromMass   Aug-11-03 10:50 AM   #150 
  - I suppose that housing coast have something to do with it  Nikia   Aug-10-03 01:14 PM   #36 
  - By comparison  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-10-03 01:15 PM   #39 
  - Yes that's a very big part of it.  MindPilot   Aug-10-03 01:20 PM   #42 
  - Cheap housing!  midnight armadillo   Aug-11-03 06:12 AM   #126 
  - 88,000.00 , I believe  SoCalDem   Aug-10-03 01:14 PM   #37 
  - Please browse the latest census data on income at  jody   Aug-10-03 01:15 PM   #38 
  - Depends upon your Fixed Costs...  Monte Carlo   Aug-10-03 01:21 PM   #43 
  - For a single person with no dependents?  ibegurpard   Aug-10-03 01:24 PM   #44 
  - I only made $8800 last year  Philosophy   Aug-10-03 01:24 PM   #45 
  - I make just under that......  vi5   Aug-10-03 01:25 PM   #47 
  - That depends...  InkAddict   Aug-10-03 01:38 PM   #50 
  - For a family of 4, if BOTH parents earn 88K+, yes  tameszu   Aug-10-03 02:14 PM   #63 
  - $88K/year seems like alot of money to me.  TheBigGuy   Aug-10-03 02:20 PM   #66 
  - And it depends on  InkAddict   Aug-10-03 02:26 PM   #67 
  - This is around what my dad makes each year...  StrongBad   Aug-10-03 03:06 PM   #73 
  - No. Where'd you get that silly idea?  JanMichael   Aug-10-03 03:10 PM   #75 
  - I agree - rich is the top 1% = $700k income,, few million assets  papau   Aug-10-03 03:39 PM   #79 
     - Actually,  SyracuseDemocrat   Aug-10-03 03:52 PM   #83 
     - You should live as a poor person  Terwilliger   Aug-10-03 05:16 PM   #90 
     - richer is top 0.1% and 0.01%  rman   Aug-11-03 06:49 AM   #128 
  - 88K is not rich  jiacinto   Aug-10-03 03:12 PM   #76 
  - That would not be rich  Ramsey   Aug-10-03 03:42 PM   #81 
  - with my income in the high four figures, hell, yes!  amazona   Aug-10-03 04:25 PM   #84 
  - depends where they are living  JohnKleeb   Aug-10-03 04:27 PM   #85 
  - Of course an 88K income doesn't make you truly rich but  DemBones DemBones   Aug-10-03 04:33 PM   #86 
  - Depends  Undemcided   Aug-10-03 05:05 PM   #87 
  - LOL...unDEMcided  Terwilliger   Aug-10-03 09:46 PM   #117 
  - YES  Terwilliger   Aug-10-03 05:06 PM   #88 
  - Richer than 30,000  Liberal_Guerilla   Aug-10-03 05:22 PM   #91 
  - $88,000 puts you in the top 20%  jafap   Aug-10-03 05:40 PM   #93 
  - it totally depends on  leftofthedial   Aug-10-03 05:52 PM   #94 
  - Re  seg4527   Aug-10-03 05:54 PM   #95 
  - Your question focuses solely on income whereas "financial wealth"  jody   Aug-10-03 07:03 PM   #100 
     - Well put  psychopomp   Aug-11-03 01:09 AM   #122 
        - Understand, but in pursuit of still more profits, they approve the export  jody   Aug-11-03 10:05 AM   #138 
           - Exporting jobs  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 10:07 AM   #140 
              - "their obligation to do it."? That sounds good but unfettered competition  jody   Aug-11-03 10:28 AM   #144 
                 - Another word for unfettered is free  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 10:36 AM   #145 
                    - That's OK, but don't ask the People to pay for a military force to  jody   Aug-11-03 11:09 AM   #152 
                       - If my company  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 12:27 PM   #166 
                          - That's your opinion, but SCOTUS has ruled that government is  jody   Aug-11-03 01:07 PM   #168 
                             - Nevertheless  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 01:27 PM   #171 
                                - Nevertheless, govenment is not required to prevent an attack against  jody   Aug-11-03 01:34 PM   #174 
                                   - No free ride  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 02:07 PM   #176 
                                      - Why do you ignore the facts that multinational corporations do move  jody   Aug-11-03 02:54 PM   #179 
                                         - Of course they do  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 03:02 PM   #180 
                                            - You assert that corporations have the same rights as citizens.  jody   Aug-11-03 03:15 PM   #182 
                                               - As usual  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 04:55 PM   #188 
                                                  - We don't need to actually dissolve corporations, just remind them that  jody   Aug-11-03 05:28 PM   #189 
                                                     - Sorry to interrupt, but  Ripley   Aug-11-03 07:21 PM   #191 
                                                     - I understand, a number of people believe that the single most necessary  jody   Aug-11-03 07:58 PM   #193 
                                                     - You are on a good roll my friend...  Ripley   Aug-11-03 08:08 PM   #194 
                                                     - Corporations  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 11:15 PM   #201 
                                                     - Ken Lay of Enron loves the position you occupy. For people like  jody   Aug-12-03 11:47 AM   #212 
                                                     - Of course  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-13-03 08:06 AM   #215 
                                                     - You worked  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 11:11 PM   #200 
  - that's lower middleclass...middleclass 80k to 199k  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-10-03 06:31 PM   #99 
  - So what about people who make under $80,000?  Nikia   Aug-10-03 07:44 PM   #102 
  - IRS income statistics.  snippy   Aug-10-03 07:20 PM   #101 
  - Those figures are misleading on the surface. Here's why...  kysrsoze   Aug-10-03 09:24 PM   #115 
     - Very true. Every year the IRS reports the number of returns with AGI over  snippy   Aug-11-03 07:51 AM   #133 
  - $88k isn't rich, and you are absolutely right.  gulliver   Aug-10-03 07:57 PM   #103 
  - Thanks for understanding.  Ripley   Aug-11-03 07:54 AM   #134 
  - I think that Clark was absolutely right  jafap   Aug-12-03 12:37 AM   #205 
  - $88K is enough to pay your bills  Fescue4u   Aug-10-03 07:59 PM   #104 
  - Fun/horrifying--Salary Calculator  Logansquare   Aug-10-03 08:00 PM   #105 
  - If you live out "west". it may be impressive  molly   Aug-10-03 08:04 PM   #106 
  - $88k is not a lot out "west", if you are talking about the coast  Democat   Aug-10-03 11:39 PM   #119 
     - Definitely not the coast  molly   Aug-11-03 08:16 AM   #136 
  - Rich is always "more than I make" no matter what I make.  Hamlette   Aug-10-03 08:12 PM   #109 
  - Not even close to rich - $88K is a nice, middle-class income  DisgustedTX   Aug-10-03 08:12 PM   #110 
  - Middle class-comfortable  inthecorneroverhere   Aug-10-03 09:18 PM   #113 
  - El Paso TX, mean income is $14,000 a yr. i worked for Boeing here, their  sam sarrha   Aug-10-03 09:22 PM   #114 
  - 4 states have median family incomes 80K+  carolinayellowdog   Aug-10-03 09:31 PM   #116 
  - Depends on the circumstances surrounding how the $88K is  brensgrrl   Aug-10-03 09:50 PM   #118 
  - nice analysis  jafap   Aug-11-03 04:23 AM   #123 
  - When I had finally had it with the Corp grind in 1997  FormerOstrich   Aug-11-03 12:01 AM   #120 
  - I have made slightly more than ....  Trajan   Aug-11-03 12:11 AM   #121 
  - I have made slightly less than  jafap   Aug-11-03 05:45 AM   #125 
  - I Wish  REP   Aug-11-03 04:37 AM   #124 
  - That is a lot of money to make per year...  Skidmore   Aug-11-03 06:24 AM   #127 
  - Most really wealthy people don't really earn money!  Hubert Flottz   Aug-11-03 06:57 AM   #129 
  - No, I don't.  xequals   Aug-11-03 07:37 AM   #131 
  - Well, Ripley, how do YOU measure up?  BiggJawn   Aug-11-03 07:43 AM   #132 
  - I had an emergency yesterday, so I left this thread  Ripley   Aug-11-03 08:07 AM   #135 
     - Hot topic, isn't it?  BiggJawn   Aug-11-03 09:54 AM   #137 
        - I wasn't referring to you.  Ripley   Aug-11-03 10:06 AM   #139 
           - Ripley, I ain't madatchu! Peace, friend!  BiggJawn   Aug-11-03 01:20 PM   #169 
              - Okely Dokely.  Ripley   Aug-11-03 01:28 PM   #173 
  - No  ProfessorGAC   Aug-11-03 10:12 AM   #141 
  - Just income, what about "wealth", etc?  poskonig   Aug-11-03 10:18 AM   #142 
  - $88,000/12 = $7,333.33/mo  salmonhorse   Aug-11-03 10:40 AM   #146 
  - Before taxes  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 10:42 AM   #147 
     - After taxes ... $932.72 per week......edited  SoCalDem   Aug-11-03 10:46 AM   #148 
        - Thanks!  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 10:48 AM   #149 
  - Should 88k earners get a bix tax cut?  nn2004   Aug-11-03 11:07 AM   #151 
  - No  JVS   Aug-11-03 11:44 AM   #156 
  - Debt  CWebster   Aug-11-03 11:11 AM   #153 
  - National stats as of 2000 place 88k in top quintile of households  carolinayellowdog   Aug-11-03 11:38 AM   #154 
  - It is relatively well off if that is earned by one person in the family  JVS   Aug-11-03 11:43 AM   #155 
  - I don't think $88K is rich but...  ikojo   Aug-11-03 11:53 AM   #158 
  - I posted a poll in the Economic Issues forum  T Roosevelt   Aug-11-03 11:56 AM   #160 
  - I think it is more than enough for anyone  0007   Aug-11-03 12:15 PM   #163 
  - if you live in Massachusetts and Make $88,000 you are middle class  Braden   Aug-11-03 12:16 PM   #164 
  - if you live in Indiana w/that income, you advise the Governor...  BiggJawn   Aug-11-03 01:28 PM   #172 
     - Hey, you're catching on...  Ripley   Aug-11-03 01:44 PM   #175 
  - No. Well off starts at 100k.  bif   Aug-11-03 01:25 PM   #170 
  - Context is everything. $88K/yr. isn't rich on the East or West Coast...  rezmutt   Aug-11-03 02:09 PM   #177 
  - Not in San Francisco...  Oracle   Aug-11-03 02:18 PM   #178 
  - If I made $45 an hour I'd feel like a king...  killbotfactory   Aug-11-03 03:05 PM   #181 
  - it's not "struggling" in my book  ulysses   Aug-11-03 03:19 PM   #183 
  - Okay everybody, let's give a hand to jody!!!!!!!!!!!!  Ripley   Aug-11-03 03:38 PM   #184 
  - Hands off  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 04:51 PM   #187 
  - First of all, I am not a tie-dyed anti-globalist.  Ripley   Aug-11-03 05:55 PM   #190 
     - I love America  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-11-03 11:10 PM   #199 
  - Agreed. Jody is a big plus to DU (n/t)  Aaron   Aug-12-03 12:43 AM   #206 
  - Nobody 'Feels' Rich  LuminousX   Aug-11-03 03:44 PM   #185 
  - oooh you sound so...uh...logical  Ripley   Aug-11-03 03:54 PM   #186 
  - Thinking more about this thread  Nikia   Aug-11-03 07:24 PM   #192 
  - I'll second that. Those who have been blessed with wealth have an  jody   Aug-11-03 08:11 PM   #195 
     - There is just too much baaaaaaing around here...  Ripley   Aug-11-03 08:22 PM   #196 
        - AWOL's records were obtained under the FOI act and are at  jody   Aug-11-03 08:39 PM   #197 
           - Thanks for the links.  Ripley   Aug-11-03 08:48 PM   #198 
  - I do taxes for a living and I see that people who  WCGreen   Aug-12-03 12:05 AM   #204 
  - I've been told you don't have real fuck you money  Wonder   Aug-12-03 12:44 AM   #207 
  - It depends where you live...  tedthebear   Aug-12-03 01:53 AM   #208 
  - My word,  juajen   Aug-12-03 02:18 AM   #209 
  - My wife and I made a combined $48k last year.  dawgman   Aug-12-03 03:07 AM   #210 
  - All of these tax schemes are way too complicated  Regice   Aug-12-03 03:41 AM   #211 
  - No. Even twice that is not 'rich'. It is simply "well off"  quilp   Aug-12-03 11:51 AM   #213 
  - FOR ME, IT IS DAMN RICH, BOTH IN MONEY AND ATTITUDE, AND  Pocho   Aug-13-03 08:02 AM   #214 
  - Someone with an 88K income might buy a boat...  JHB   Aug-13-03 08:24 AM   #216 
  - Has anyone considered AGE?  corporalclegg9   Aug-13-03 08:26 AM   #217 
  - Teachers ARE over paid afterall!!  Catonsville1   Aug-13-03 08:29 AM   #218 
     - Teachers overpaid?  cat_girl25   Aug-13-03 09:03 AM   #219 
        - If $88K is Rich, then two teachers combined are rich  Catonsville1   Aug-13-03 09:16 AM   #220 
 

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