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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:11 PM
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69. I'm Really Not Condoning Crime
Conservatives think in black and white. As in, every criminal is evil. More educated people try to understand motives, what causes some one to commit a crime? Lack of education? Poverty? Then, let's work to reduce those situations and reduce crime. Conservatives unfairly paint Liberals as being soft on crime for this. That's not it at all. If some one commits a crime, they should pay for it. But what's wrong with trying to understand what motivates criminals and reduce the causes of crime?

I'm not trying to make excuses for the soldiers either (although admittedly, it seems like that) These soldiers involved in the torture should be court martialed for their crimes.

But why did they do it? Why were these soldiers so far gone that they no longer saw the Iraqis as human and thought the horrible acts they were committing were fun?

If you just court martial these soldiers and don't explore the underlying causes (and now there are rumors such abuse and torture was wide spread, not isolated) you are simply putting a band aid or patch on the problem.

Do you believe most of the people living in the southern U.S. prior to the Civil Rights Era were evil? Do you believe the vast majority of the Germans alive between 1930 - 1945 were evil? They did horrible, evil things, true, but were they ALL, by nature evil people? And now, one generation, two generations later, the people are mostly good and decent?

Are most of us basically good and sometimes something happens to certain people that makes them do evil things? Or are most of us basically evil and it is just simmering below the surface waiting for an opportunity to take over?
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  -Why Would They Document Their "Aborent" Crimes With Photographs? arwalden  May-06-04 08:13 AM   #0 
  - Bragging rights. n/t  LynzM   May-06-04 08:13 AM   #1 
  - Ever see the many, many phots of mobs standing at the foot of a lynch tree  keithyboy   May-06-04 08:16 AM   #2 
  - Evil?  iamjoy   May-06-04 08:25 AM   #11 
  - You are fucking kidding?  Spentastic   May-06-04 08:57 AM   #24 
  - No...  iamjoy   May-06-04 07:40 PM   #52 
     - Basically good people?  yardwork   May-06-04 09:40 PM   #67 
        - I'm Really Not Condoning Crime  iamjoy   May-06-04 10:11 PM   #69 
  - evil is right  EdGy   May-06-04 10:35 AM   #31 
  - Evil srpings from evil motives.  keithyboy   May-06-04 11:02 AM   #39 
  - You are saying that any training these "kids" got from parents and school  Mountainman   May-06-04 11:04 AM   #40 
  - I'd say soddomy with a broom handle by force is evil..  Caliphoto   May-06-04 11:43 AM   #44 
  - That One Is Different...  iamjoy   May-06-04 09:38 PM   #66 
  - sorry but any post that includes the words "maybe Rush was right"  meluseth   May-06-04 07:56 PM   #53 
  - Fun?  tiedye   May-06-04 08:03 PM   #54 
     - I Don't Know...  iamjoy   May-06-04 10:32 PM   #70 
  - good comparison, to the lynching postcards from the old south  mopaul   May-06-04 08:34 AM   #15 
  - Not just "the old south", mo.  trof   May-06-04 08:53 AM   #21 
  - Thumb through these.  trof   May-06-04 08:56 AM   #22 
     - Horrid! Simply Horrid!  arwalden   May-06-04 10:27 AM   #30 
     - Thanks, Butch  DemoTex   May-06-04 09:50 PM   #68 
  - Warning: GRAPHIC  trof   May-06-04 08:52 AM   #19 
  - Reminds me of the Vietnam era and the stories about the  calimary   May-06-04 08:37 PM   #65 
  - They Thought It Was Fun  iamjoy   May-06-04 08:18 AM   #3 
  - order by the military police to take the photos to use in other interogati  28erl   May-06-04 08:18 AM   #4 
  - That was one of the WH trial balloons. But that spin didn't fly. n/t  charlie105   May-06-04 08:20 AM   #7 
  - BS. Then why are the photos on their own personal cameras???  Caliphoto   May-06-04 11:45 AM   #46 
  - According to a story I read in today's Chicago Tribune, this might be...  terrya   May-06-04 08:19 AM   #5 
  - According to the government report on Iraqi prisons...  Cerval   May-06-04 08:58 AM   #25 
  - Gloating?  BJ   May-06-04 08:19 AM   #6 
  - What's really amusing  kegler14   May-06-04 08:23 AM   #8 
  - That woman in the photos...  Cerval   May-06-04 08:56 AM   #23 
  - Why?  Gman   May-06-04 08:24 AM   #9 
  - They seriously didn't think they were doing..............  Oz   May-06-04 08:24 AM   # 
  - They are now claiming they were ordered to take them  fishnfla   May-06-04 08:24 AM   #10 
  - I actually don't doubt that they were ordered to take pictures.  Cerval   May-06-04 09:01 AM   #27 
  - Photos were part of the torture...  Demoiselle   May-06-04 10:49 AM   #35 
  - Dumb as a post  mmcghenn   May-06-04 08:29 AM   #12 
  - You got it Allen  Warren Stuart   May-06-04 08:30 AM   #13 
  - the PNAC plan is to inflame the whole muslim world for decades  mopaul   May-06-04 08:31 AM   #14 
  - "ethnic cleansers" in Bosnia did the same  EdGy   May-06-04 08:36 AM   #16 
  - my uncle had a korean skull for a souvenir  mopaul   May-06-04 08:53 AM   #20 
  - Because the whole American society is fucked up  OKNancy   May-06-04 08:48 AM   #17 
  - You've got it...  Caliphoto   May-06-04 11:49 AM   #47 
  - Any time there is a thread asking this question  OKNancy   May-06-04 01:50 PM   #51 
  - Porn?  neverborn   May-06-04 08:34 PM   #63 
  - i fear  pansypoo53219   May-06-04 08:50 AM   #18 
  - Trophies and cult stuff. Maybe they're Setians too.  bobthedrummer   May-06-04 09:00 AM   #26 
  - That tired Set line is getting old... better to blame Scientology  thebigidea   May-06-04 10:38 AM   #32 
  - You are the only poster at DU that takes issue with my hidden history  bobthedrummer   May-06-04 11:41 AM   #43 
  - Yes, I serve the Dark Lord and his Earthly Agent, Donald Rumsfeld  thebigidea   May-06-04 08:10 PM   #56 
  - Scientology is evil, no doubt about it  neverborn   May-06-04 08:35 PM   #64 
  - I would be willing to bet this idea of "Trophies" is probably close  nolabels   May-06-04 10:52 AM   #37 
  - "Getting away with it" is deep in the American psyche  PurityOfEssence   May-06-04 09:11 AM   #28 
  - Damn, Purity. You should be writing for Kerry.  chimpymustgo   May-06-04 10:43 AM   #34 
  - Momentos....  MNBrew   May-06-04 09:11 AM   #29 
  - IMO-Set Up from the very beginning.  liberalnproud   May-06-04 10:39 AM   #33 
  - with digital, you no longer have to take your pics to the drugstore  maggrwaggr   May-06-04 10:52 AM   #36 
  - Did they honestly NOT think their actions were criminal, abusive, torture?  goodhue   May-06-04 10:56 AM   #38 
  - Some murderers enjoy it  KayLaw   May-06-04 11:04 AM   #41 
  - Drug-free soldiers with too much time on their hands  Ezlivin   May-06-04 11:34 AM   #42 
  - Drug free- not  tiedye   May-06-04 08:11 PM   #57 
  - same reason soldiers of every war since the dawn of affordable  BigMcLargehuge   May-06-04 11:44 AM   #45 
  - Mob mentality  wabeewoman   May-06-04 11:51 AM   #48 
  - To prove to their superiors that they were doing their job  downstairsparts   May-06-04 11:55 AM   #49 
  - To "share the moment"  chookie   May-06-04 11:59 AM   #50 
  - No fear of prosecution.  DrWeird   May-06-04 08:09 PM   #55 
  - They thought it funny and entertaining  Solly Mack   May-06-04 08:12 PM   #58 
  - And as Senator James Inhofe thinks . .  Oddman   May-06-04 08:16 PM   #59 
  - THEY WERE BUSTED  doubles   May-06-04 08:26 PM   #60 
     - There are 35 seperate investigations of abuse going on  Oddman   May-06-04 08:28 PM   #61 
        - I said a crowd not a couple..... nt  doubles   May-06-04 08:29 PM   #62 

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