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BBV: Secret Service on a fishing expedition. They want your name.
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Edited on Thu Apr-29-04 08:54 AM by BevHarris
And by the way, they read every word of DU. Hi, agent Mike. This "investigation" no longer passes the stink test.

He says not to tell folks about the "investigating" they are doing.

I have cooperated ad nauseum to this absurd investigation of the "VoteHere hack" which looks to me like it is something entirely different. I'll tell you what it looks like to me:

A fishing expedition.

It appears that they may be using the Patriot Act to circumvent some of the civil rights protections laid down in the 60s. You see, it is illegal for a government agency to go in and demand the list of all the members of a group. And you can't investigate leaks to journalists by going in and grabbing the reporter's computer.

After the Diebold memos were leaked, and my web site was shut down, around the time of the California recall election, I started getting solicited to accept VoteHere software. I didn't bite, because it was obvious that this was an entrapment attempt.

Okay, a word about VoteHere: This is the company that has no visible means of support. It doesn't seem to sell anything. Its board is heavily infested with defense industry types -- a former CIA director (Robert Gates, now heads George Bush School of Government); it had Admiral Bill Owens, also Vice-Chairman of SAIC and a member of the Defense Policy Board with Perle and Wolfowitz, a very close friend of Cheney; currently headed by former Washington Secretary of State Ralph Munro.

VoteHere announced that it would be releasing its software for review, back in July 2003. It was planning to release it in September, and was supposed to do so to Dr. David Dill's web site. It never released the code, just a bunch of literature about its product. (It did release some, but not all, of its code this month, making a big splash about it). About a week into October, I got solicited with an email "click this link" for VoteHere software.

Now who would fall for that? Why would anyone in their right mind grab the stuff in some clandestine manner when it was being released into the open momentarily? And this is a company that never sells anything. Who gives a shit anyway, what its software does? It now is trying to peddle yet another alternative to a voter verified paper ballot, an idiotic solution where we turn over auditing of the vote to a handful of cryptographers who work for a private company with defense industry ties. No one I know thinks that is even a viable concept, so why would we care to examine the software these cryptographers make up?

I was in the ending stages of writing my book, putting new chapters online every few days, at that time. Like I'm going to hack into VoteHere (those who know me realize that I couldn't hack my way out of a paper bag) -- this was just dumb.

I turned down the software. In early January this year, VoteHere does a press release that it was "hacked" in October and tries to blame it on the activism community. I published an article expressing doubt that we'd gotten the whole story.

Now, I have been interviewed by the Secret Service on this VoteHere "hack" story about five times. They never spend much time on the hack. Most of the time is spent on the Diebold memos, which they claim they are not investigating.

Here's the deal: The leaking of memos to journalists is not something the government can come in and demand to investigate very easily.

Under the Patriot Act, "hacking" crimes were turned over to a new division, called the CyberCrimes division, and placed under the auspices of the Secret Service. And let me tell you what they want from me now: They want the logs of my web site with all the forum messages, and the IP addresses. That's right. All of them. A giant fishing expedition for every communication of everyone interested in the voting issue. This has nothing to do with a VoteHere "hack" investigation, and I have refused to turn it over.

So, yesterday, they call me up and tell me they are going to subpeona me and put me in front of a grand jury. Well, let 'em. They still aren't getting the list of members of BlackBoxVoting.org unless they seize my computer -- which my attorney tells me might be what they have in mind.

Also, Agent Mike told me he just "happened" to be on the plane with me a couple weeks ago. What's that supposed to do? Scare me? "You were going to Oakland," he said. Yeah, and Diebold lawyer's memos appeared in the Oakland Tribune, but guess what, Mike: That was the first hop of three on my way to Dallas. I left that morning for a speech at the Dallas Democratic Forum that evening. Never even got off the plane. Better luck next time.

They show up at interviews with printouts of DemocraticUnderground posts (not even mine -- the ones they showed me were from other DU members). And if they were really investigating what they said -- a VoteHere "hack" can someone explain why they want the logs from the web site BlackBoxVoting.org -- the "hack" occured in early October, but BlackBoxVoting.org was shut down, triggered by a Diebold cease & desist, from Sept 23 to Oct 23.

And (you know who you are) -- consider this a heads up: If you start bumbling around in my house with U.S. marshalls, the very first thing that will happen is mainstream news coverage that you are misusing the Patriot Act to get at membership lists and private correspondence for a fishing expedition on stuff that isn't even the subject of a legitimate investigation.

By the way. I need to pick up a few things so that, in the event my computer gets seized, I don't lose a whole lot of time being unable to get my work done. I've been advised what backup systems to get, need to buy them, and will head elsewhere until all systems are backed up. So, if you see fit for a small donation (info at http://www.blackboxvoting.org ) this would help me very much with my temporary relocation and purchasing the backup computer stuff.

Yeah, I'm pissed. Taking the pulse of our democracy nowadays, it doesn't feel very healthy, does it?

Bev Harris

P.S. Everyone say hi to Mike.
:hi:
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  -BBV: Secret Service on a fishing expedition. They want your name. BevHarris  Apr-29-04 08:27 AM   #0 
  - wow. so sorry to hear that, Bev.  frank frankly   Apr-29-04 08:31 AM   #1 
  - this is very telling  ithacan   Apr-29-04 08:34 AM   #2 
  - Yeah the use of the Secret Service kind of puts this right smack  Joanne98   Apr-29-04 10:34 AM   # 
  - We have a winner !  bearfan454   Apr-29-04 11:15 AM   #58 
  - They are bending over backwards in FL  Must_B_Free   Apr-29-04 07:50 PM   #134 
  - Hi Mike !!!  rooboy   Apr-29-04 08:35 AM   #3 
  - Hey Mike, did you go after Clinton's Zipper too?  The Zanti Regent   May-02-04 02:08 AM   #196 
  - just put a sign on my door...  nostamj   Apr-29-04 08:35 AM   #4 
  - Good one!  Cassandra   Apr-29-04 08:49 AM   #10 
     - i think i'm going to use that in my press release!  nostamj   Apr-29-04 11:19 AM   #61 
  - You are doing GREAT WORK Bev!  Kadie   Apr-29-04 08:40 AM   #5 
  - It's indeed true that the 'patriot' act...  Q   Apr-29-04 08:43 AM   #6 
  - Mike, Why Do You HATE FREEDOM?  frank frankly   Apr-29-04 08:43 AM   #7 
  - Mike hates Freedom because he does what he is told  tom_paine   Apr-29-04 05:32 PM   #111 
  - A while back, we called the agent(s) "Pat"  Stuckinthebush   Apr-29-04 08:46 AM   #8 
  - Just "Doing your job" eh, mike?  DiverDave   Apr-29-04 08:49 AM   #9 
  - Oops, forgot  DiverDave   Apr-29-04 09:00 AM   #11 
     - Bev  ethereal   Apr-29-04 09:10 AM   #12 
  - Just made a donation at your link.  enough   Apr-29-04 09:12 AM   #13 
  - Hello Mike  mmonk   Apr-29-04 09:13 AM   #14 
  - hi mike, my name is MO PAUL  mopaul   Apr-29-04 09:16 AM   #15 
  - hi, Mike!  truthspeaker   Apr-29-04 09:18 AM   #16 
  - Welcome to DU Agent Mike  underpants   Apr-29-04 09:19 AM   #17 
  - Now I know the name of the underwear  moonkee2   May-01-04 06:51 PM   #183 
  - There's a long tradition in the US of the government protecting the...  AP   Apr-29-04 09:24 AM   #18 
  - Wazzup, Agent Mike?  kimchi   Apr-29-04 09:25 AM   #19 
  - Hey Mike!  MuseRider   Apr-29-04 09:31 AM   #20 
  - Thanks Bev To be seen as an enemy of the bush junta is  alfredo   Apr-29-04 09:33 AM   #21 
  - Hi Mike  Nashyra   Apr-29-04 09:41 AM   #23 
  - Hi Mike  tinrobot   Apr-29-04 09:37 AM   #22 
  - Good morning, Mike  coalminersdaughter   Apr-29-04 09:45 AM   #24 
  - Hello Agent "Mike"...  rexcat71   Apr-29-04 09:45 AM   #25 
  - Hang tough, Bev.  davsand   Apr-29-04 09:48 AM   #26 
  - Hey Mike...  OhMyGod   Apr-29-04 11:15 AM   #59 
  - Who knows? Maybe the agents in question will read some other  GreenPartyVoter   Apr-29-04 09:49 AM   #27 
  - Hi, Mike  derby378   Apr-29-04 09:55 AM   # 
  - Holy Moly, Bev!  loudsue   Apr-29-04 09:55 AM   #28 
  - the players of votehere...  PaDUer   Apr-29-04 11:23 AM   #64 
  - Well said, loudsue  juajen   Apr-29-04 02:04 PM   #96 
  - Is there some way that I could also be paid to read DU?  tnlefty   Apr-29-04 09:55 AM   #29 
  - hi mike  mulsh   Apr-29-04 09:57 AM   #30 
  - Poor Mike-  BeHereNow   Apr-29-04 10:00 AM   #31 
  - right on, sister!!!  frank frankly   Apr-29-04 10:15 AM   #37 
  - Feeling a little spunkier today. Atta Girl!!!!  liberalnproud   Apr-29-04 10:17 AM   #38 
  - Who is responsible for mailing anthrax? Ricine? What is the motive?  tnlefty   Apr-29-04 10:27 AM   #43 
  - I disagree. Intimidating critics is Job #1 for Totalitarian Monsters  tom_paine   Apr-29-04 05:34 PM   #112 
     - Very Unlikely  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 06:19 PM   #121 
        - I hope so. You are probably right  tom_paine   Apr-29-04 10:53 PM   #144 
        - I don't think you can consider the press a threat to the Busheviks  tom_paine   Apr-30-04 10:49 AM   #163 
  - What is Mike's last name?  Vickers   Apr-29-04 10:03 AM   #32 
  - Mike, you are the a modern day BROWN SHIRT  BEFOREATHOUGHT   Apr-29-04 10:03 AM   #33 
  - Why would the Secret Service feel honest voting is a "threat" to Bush?  blm   Apr-29-04 10:07 AM   #34 
  - In a closed society  mmonk   Apr-29-04 10:10 AM   #35 
  - Hi Mike, I'm the one who donated 21.34 just now.  Gryn   Apr-29-04 10:14 AM   #36 
  - Hi, Mike or "Pat":  revcarol   Apr-29-04 10:17 AM   #39 
  - Let's get Mikey to try it  Quahog   Apr-29-04 10:18 AM   #40 
  - Hi Mike.  GloriaSmith   Apr-29-04 10:25 AM   #41 
  - mikey won't vote on election day  ldf   Apr-29-04 07:25 PM   #129 
  - Please contact all three of your congress critters  meg   Apr-29-04 10:26 AM   #42 
  - VoteWhere?  klook   Apr-29-04 10:28 AM   #44 
  - Hey! I resent that remark!  Gryn   Apr-29-04 10:35 AM   #47 
  - Me too!  Walt Starr   Apr-29-04 10:44 AM   #50 
     - OK, sorry!!  klook   Apr-29-04 12:09 PM   #71 
  - Klook- VoteHere no Solution  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 12:24 PM   #72 
     - Hey, Mike? Protecting our Vote is our Right  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 12:32 PM   #74 
  - Hi Mike!  Walt Starr   Apr-29-04 10:29 AM   #45 
  - You said it all there Walt Starr.  bearfan454   Apr-29-04 10:54 AM   #53 
  - wow...that's to funny bev...  imax2268   Apr-29-04 10:34 AM   #46 
  - You go Bev !  bearfan454   Apr-29-04 10:38 AM   #48 
  - Bev, to restate the obvious if they are trying to stop you through  spotbird   Apr-29-04 10:43 AM   #49 
  - kickity kick....  loudsue   Apr-29-04 10:48 AM   #51 
  - BTW Mike,  Walt Starr   Apr-29-04 10:52 AM   #52 
  - What a country....  jackstraw45   Apr-29-04 11:07 AM   #54 
  - And people make fun of me  BeHereNow   Apr-29-04 11:14 AM   #57 
  - That would never work  Streetdoc270   Apr-29-04 02:39 PM   #100 
  - Hey Mike  GiovanniC   Apr-29-04 11:07 AM   #55 
  - Kicking to keep with  BeHereNow   Apr-29-04 11:10 AM   #56 
  - Hi Mike - Isn't Good To Know You Are Traitor To The Constitution!  mhr   Apr-29-04 11:16 AM   #60 
  - This is truly sad.  cclark401   Apr-29-04 11:32 AM   #65 
  - Dante's Inferno  Sophree   Apr-29-04 05:35 PM   #113 
  - Want my name Mike?  Bushfire   Apr-29-04 11:21 AM   #62 
  - Hello Mike  ACK   Apr-29-04 11:22 AM   #63 
  - G'day Agent Mike!  foreigncorrespondent   Apr-29-04 11:38 AM   #66 
  - Hi, Mike!  dralston   Apr-29-04 11:46 AM   #67 
  - Some things don't change, do they.  Cleita   Apr-29-04 11:54 AM   #68 
  - my "hi mike" post  WolverineDG   Apr-29-04 12:33 PM   #75 
     - Good one. They can pay my bills too.  Cleita   Apr-29-04 01:20 PM   #87 
     - An update, Mike  WolverineDG   Apr-29-04 06:18 PM   #120 
  - Get a life Mike you traitor n/t  linazelle   Apr-29-04 12:00 PM   #69 
  - Keep the faith Bev...  RetroLounge   Apr-29-04 12:05 PM   #70 
  - a word about web site logs  TinfoilHatProgrammer   Apr-29-04 12:24 PM   #73 
  - Which means, of course  dralston   Apr-29-04 12:37 PM   #77 
  - For the record...  hunter   Apr-29-04 12:46 PM   #80 
  - How I know...  TinfoilHatProgrammer   Apr-29-04 01:19 PM   #86 
     - Looks like a plead for money  Fud   Apr-29-04 03:14 PM   #103 
        - Oh look  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-29-04 03:19 PM   #104 
        - Hi Mike  Joanne98   Apr-29-04 03:42 PM   #105 
        - nah, tinfoilhat just brought along her one and only friend!  liberalnproud   Apr-30-04 11:42 PM   #179 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-29-04 05:18 PM   #108 
        - It's been my experience...  hunter   Apr-29-04 07:32 PM   #130 
  - Hey THP! Thanks for the Confirmation  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 01:16 PM   #84 
  - As always, happy to confirm it.  TinfoilHatProgrammer   Apr-29-04 01:31 PM   #91 
     - The data isn't non-existent.  dralston   Apr-29-04 01:44 PM   #92 
     - He doesn't sound too concerned about truth. nt  Timefortruth   Apr-29-04 05:20 PM   #109 
     - I Guess it Looks Silly if You're Not the One Being Asked all the Questions  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 01:48 PM   #94 
     - Tsk, Tsk, Now We Engage in Slamming All the BBV'ers  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 02:00 PM   #95 
     - RedEagle...  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-29-04 02:09 PM   #97 
        - he certainly is not part of the solution  ldf   Apr-29-04 07:43 PM   #131 
     - Hi TFHP!  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 09:39 PM   #136 
     - a "fishing expedition" is where authorities grab up as much stuff as they  w4rma   Apr-30-04 10:03 AM   #161 
  - No shit  kiahzero   May-01-04 04:30 PM   #181 
     - That's Why it Looks Like a Fishing Expedition  RedEagle   May-01-04 06:22 PM   #182 
  - Here's a relevant article  Cassandra   Apr-29-04 12:35 PM   #76 
  - Hello Agent Mike..  foamdad   Apr-29-04 12:38 PM   #78 
  - Hi Mike...  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-29-04 12:42 PM   #79 
  - Mike, I'm reading my daughter 'Animal Farm'. Investigate me!  SkeptyCal   Apr-29-04 12:50 PM   #81 
  - Hello Mr. freindly Neighborhood Agent Mike  proud patriot   Apr-29-04 01:06 PM   #82 
  - Bev, contact the ACLU.  neverborn   Apr-29-04 01:15 PM   #83 
  - I'm in Seattle - could help you if you need it  rumguy   Apr-29-04 01:18 PM   #85 
  - rumguy!  nostamj   Apr-29-04 01:22 PM   #88 
     - I'll check it out  rumguy   Apr-29-04 01:28 PM   #89 
  - kick  Joanne98   Apr-29-04 01:30 PM   #90 
  - kick  Joanne98   Apr-29-04 01:47 PM   #93 
  - Hi MIKE!!  ronnykmarshall   Apr-29-04 02:11 PM   #98 
  - Kick  BeHereNow   Apr-29-04 02:28 PM   #99 
  - Great use of "thin" federal resources  The Spirit of JFK   Apr-29-04 02:43 PM   #101 
  - Welcome to DU Agent Mike  VelmaD   Apr-29-04 02:48 PM   #102 
  - Tinfoilhatprogrammer is back  Joanne98   Apr-29-04 04:29 PM   #106 
  - he always shows up  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-29-04 04:30 PM   #107 
     - I have a good idea why  Fud   Apr-29-04 06:53 PM   #127 
        - Yeah - the Diebold defenders are real tech whizzes...  Junkdrawer   Apr-30-04 08:35 AM   #158 
        - Erm, pardon? REMOVE referential integrity?  LynzM   Apr-30-04 01:16 PM   #168 
           - And have you seen this???  Junkdrawer   Apr-30-04 01:19 PM   #169 
              - Yeah, and it scares the crap out of me!!!  LynzM   Apr-30-04 01:28 PM   #170 
        - The thing is...  Siflnolly   Apr-30-04 01:37 PM   #172 
        - My GOODNESS,  kgfnally   May-02-04 11:23 AM   #201 
  - Mike, you SS Nazi fuck. C'mon over and interview ME!  tom_paine   Apr-29-04 05:24 PM   #110 
  - Hi Mike//Where was Bush in 72?  vetwife   Apr-29-04 05:36 PM   #114 
  - Mike: Tell your 'prez' to get his foot off our necks and the Constitution.  JohnOneillsMemory   Apr-29-04 05:38 PM   #115 
  - Good morning Bev & Mike! (You too Bob and the crew at Jones Day!)  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 05:44 PM   #116 
  - What he said  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-29-04 05:55 PM   #119 
  - Pat- WOW!  RedEagle   Apr-29-04 06:50 PM   #126 
  - Diebold- State and Federal Crimes  RedEagle   Apr-30-04 11:08 AM   #166 
  - Welcome to DU, Mike.  94114_San_Francisco   Apr-29-04 05:45 PM   #117 
  - Howdy, Agent Mike!  hatrack   Apr-29-04 05:50 PM   #118 
  - Hi Agent Mike!!  Phyl   Apr-29-04 06:31 PM   #122 
  - Hi Mike  laylah   Apr-29-04 06:37 PM   #123 
  - Agent Mike: If you want my IP, get on irc.esper.net  goobergunch   Apr-29-04 06:40 PM   #124 
  - Ooops, yes! Yay Bev!  Phyl   Apr-29-04 06:41 PM   #125 
  - A kick for Bob's ulcer!  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 07:11 PM   #128 
  - Hey Agent Mike...take your time going....but hurry back!  Gin   Apr-29-04 07:43 PM   #132 
  - Now you can understand why I was skeptical of you, Bev  Must_B_Free   Apr-29-04 07:48 PM   #133 
  - Or willingly jumped into!  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 08:31 PM   #135 
  - "It had the appearance of wrongdoing?" Try this:  BevHarris   Apr-29-04 10:05 PM   #137 
     - Hi Bev!  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 10:29 PM   #139 
     - Hello hello. And would you believe,  BevHarris   Apr-29-04 10:39 PM   #142 
        - You go girl!  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 11:06 PM   #146 
     - Clarification, hopefully  Must_B_Free   Apr-29-04 11:00 PM   #145 
     - At some point you decide to jump in...  hunter   Apr-30-04 01:05 AM   #149 
     - Perilous times demand  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-30-04 01:28 AM   #150 
     - Huh?  RedEagle   Apr-30-04 08:18 AM   #157 
        - VoteHere KNEW  RedEagle   Apr-30-04 11:36 PM   #178 
        - sounds like the logic used to shift from Afghanistan to Iraq  Must_B_Free   May-02-04 12:47 AM   #192 
     - Damned well said, Bev!  tom_paine   Apr-30-04 10:54 AM   #165 
  - Hi Mike  dolo amber   Apr-29-04 10:06 PM   #138 
  - Bless you Bev. Your work is priceless!  leesa   Apr-29-04 10:32 PM   #140 
  - kick  Joanne98   Apr-29-04 10:34 PM   #141 
  - Hi Mike. Ya got some mustard on your tie.  Generic Other   Apr-29-04 10:44 PM   #143 
  - If he's not man enough......  ParanoidPat   Apr-29-04 11:39 PM   #147 
     - You are soooo good...  God_bush_n_cheney   Apr-30-04 12:39 AM   #148 
  - Hi Mike!!  alittlelark   Apr-30-04 02:00 AM   #151 
  - Hello there  Geia   Apr-30-04 02:37 AM   #152 
  - see you all in the concentration camps  samadhi   Apr-30-04 02:52 AM   #153 
  - I told ya it was a fishing expedition.  Rex   Apr-30-04 03:24 AM   #154 
  - Good luck Bev  Oggy   Apr-30-04 05:29 AM   #155 
  - Hi Mike, Nobody here  Nobody   Apr-30-04 05:40 AM   #156 
  - Hi Mike!  sus   Apr-30-04 09:16 AM   #159 
  - Take A Hike Mike!  Hubert Flottz   Apr-30-04 09:40 AM   #160 
  - What kind of DU messages did they show you?  gandalf   Apr-30-04 10:10 AM   #162 
  - They showedme posts about Diebold stuff  BevHarris   Apr-30-04 02:56 PM   #173 
  - hey mike my dog hates bush too and he also votes  ElsewheresDaughter   Apr-30-04 10:54 AM   #164 
  - Please note BBVs from LBN starroute - They're everywhere  seemslikeadream   Apr-30-04 11:56 AM   #167 
  - Greetings Mike!  Southpaw Bookworm   Apr-30-04 01:32 PM   #171 
  - Hi Mike.  MiddleMen   Apr-30-04 05:25 PM   #174 
  - bump  Gryn   Apr-30-04 05:59 PM   #175 
  - Hi Mike!  Jawja   Apr-30-04 07:14 PM   #176 
  - Finally read this: kick!  Taverner   Apr-30-04 10:04 PM   #177 
  - Hi Mike you don't hate us for our Freedoms do you?  LibertyorDeath   Apr-30-04 11:52 PM   #180 
  - Donations?  FreeToLeave   May-01-04 08:08 PM   #184 
  - Yeah, you would think that wouldn't you.....  ParanoidPat   May-01-04 08:29 PM   #185 
  - What kind of BAIT is this ? ...  Trajan   May-02-04 01:30 AM   #194 
  - Hi Mike. Fuck you.  PSU84   May-01-04 08:32 PM   #186 
  - MESSAGE To Bev...  benburch   May-01-04 08:32 PM   #187 
  - Yeah. I always thought it was a little weird that the treasury dept  BevHarris   May-01-04 09:58 PM   #190 
     - One can only hope!  ParanoidPat   May-02-04 12:26 AM   #191 
  - Hi Mike!  doni_georgia   May-01-04 08:38 PM   #188 
  - Hi Mike!  Randers   May-01-04 08:46 PM   #189 
  - Kick  Walt Starr   May-02-04 12:49 AM   #193 
  - Thanks Bev for the heads up  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-04 01:41 AM   #195 
  - I'm sorry, Mike  Carolab   May-02-04 02:17 AM   #197 
  - Add my name to the list.  sleipnir   May-02-04 02:49 AM   #198 
  - Agent Mike.....take a hike.  Gin   May-02-04 11:23 AM   #200 
  - kick eom  nadinbrzezinski   May-02-04 11:15 AM   #199 
  - Any funny business will come back on them  wryter2000   May-02-04 12:47 PM   #202 
  - Because there is some GREAT stuff here!  RedEagle   May-02-04 06:53 PM   #203 
  - Hi, Mike -- Repeal the Patriot Act  Jack Rabbit   May-02-04 07:01 PM   #204 
  - Back up!  RedEagle   May-02-04 07:24 PM   #205 
  - Bev, you're my hero.  oblivious   May-03-04 07:07 AM   #206 
 

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