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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 09:11 AM
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57. An understandably emotional plea for sanity.
I supported the right of the Jews to a homeland for over 30 years,
ever since I first visited the country over thirty years ago. But
since Sharon came to power and unleashed his unashamed hatred towards
all Arab residents, militant and innocent child alike, I have changed
my opinion. I now consider that the creation of the state of Israel
was the most stupid decision the U.N. ever took - and they took it
under pressure from President Truman, who in turn was under pressure
from Jewish voters in the U.S.

I think we all now need to ask: If a state can only survive with
billions of dollars in aid and war materials every year, if it can
only survive with every adult man and woman liable to be called for
military service, if it can only survive with its inhabitants shut
off from its neighbours by a huge concrete and electrified wire
fence, and if the blood of thousands of Palestinians must be shed
each year as a sacrifice, is that state viable?

My answer is no, it is not.
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  -call me what you want but Ariel Sharon sucks mopaul  Apr-25-04 06:38 AM   #0 
  - I call you.....  Don Claybrook   Apr-25-04 06:44 AM   #1 
  - I agree  Speed8098   Apr-25-04 06:47 AM   #2 
  - "Our Friends...the Israelis"...  HOWLIN_WOLF   Apr-25-04 07:21 AM   #9 
     - It isn't the "Jewish Government".  DarkPhenyx   Apr-25-04 07:31 AM   #11 
  - jewish people have a right to exist  NuttyFluffers   Apr-25-04 06:53 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 07:06 AM   #5 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:04 AM   #14 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:05 AM   #15 
     - Original message deleted  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 08:23 AM   #24 
  - He's a Hoover, alright!  cooper82   Apr-25-04 07:03 AM   #4 
  - That pic is pure propoganda. I really question the validity of it.  hellboy   Apr-25-04 07:08 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:07 AM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:27 AM   #27 
  - Once again  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 09:02 AM   #52 
  - after all, Arafat probably has THOUSANDS of Israeli police jeeps, eh?  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 09:04 AM   #53 
     - Prior to Intifada II  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:08 AM   #56 
        - if you look very closely, you'll notice the boy is made entirely from...  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 09:14 AM   #61 
           - For people who are suspicious of the media  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:19 AM   #63 
              - I'm with you, brother! The only paper with the REAL skinny is the...  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 09:21 AM   #64 
              - Strange that you think so  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:29 AM   #70 
              - No need to  charlie   Apr-25-04 09:23 AM   #68 
  - Sharon did what he had a right to do by visiting the Temple Mount  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:13 AM   #18 
     - It is naive to the max  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 08:15 AM   #21 
     - The visit was cleared through the PA  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:28 AM   #28 
        - I didn't think you would answer any differently  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 08:35 AM   #38 
           - That's good, I hate to disappoint  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:37 AM   #41 
              - I didn't say I wasn't disappointed  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 08:40 AM   #45 
     - so your's is a religious connection with sharon & israel?  mopaul   Apr-25-04 08:18 AM   #22 
     - Not a religious connection at all actually  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:31 AM   #31 
        - really, I thought it was votes by Israeli citizens  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 08:31 AM   #32 
           - The votes were a reaction  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:34 AM   #36 
              - You may want to check your facts  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 09:18 AM   #62 
                 - "Facts?"  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:22 AM   #67 
                    - I'm sorry, but you are wrong - the current Intifada started  Matilda   Apr-25-04 09:35 AM   #75 
                    - You didn't even read what I said, obviously  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 09:36 AM   #77 
                       - Oh, that nasty slap  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:47 AM   #89 
                          - Has it not occurred to you that sheer bloody-mindedness  Matilda   Apr-25-04 09:58 AM   #108 
                          - Stateman?  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 10:06 AM   #114 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 10:01 AM   #110 
     - Then again, you'll say the same when he whacks Arafat  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 08:30 AM   #29 
        - I would say killing Arafat is ill-advised  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:32 AM   #33 
           - so in other words, yeah - you'll defend it.  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 08:35 AM   #37 
           - He has earned it by backing terror  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:38 AM   #42 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:39 AM   #44 
           - Sharon also deserves death  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 08:35 AM   #39 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:36 AM   #40 
              - its the Old Testament revised by H.P. Lovecraft  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 08:38 AM   #43 
  - Thank you, mopaul, for telling it exactly as it is.  chimpymustgo   Apr-25-04 07:09 AM   #7 
  - locking  matcom   Apr-25-04 07:15 AM   #8 
  - Agreed - Sharon sucks  Jim__   Apr-25-04 07:31 AM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 07:49 AM   #12 
  - So you claim the ADL runs our government?  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:15 AM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:20 AM   #23 
  - Hmmm...  Brooklyn-Mecca   Apr-25-04 08:26 AM   #25 
  - Scary  krkaufman   Apr-25-04 09:31 AM   #73 
  - Ah, yes, the Jews run our government  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:32 AM   #34 
     - Whew, that's a relief to hear  Jacobin   Apr-25-04 08:45 AM   #47 
     - The old lie  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:48 AM   #48 
     - Muddle...  Brooklyn-Mecca   Apr-25-04 09:07 AM   #55 
        - Those powerful and influential zionists  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:11 AM   #58 
           - You apparently believe  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 09:38 AM   #79 
              - No, they occurred because the Palestinians rejected peace  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:41 AM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 08:26 AM   #26 
  - So you claim they control the media?  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:33 AM   #35 
     - Did I ever say those words?  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 08:52 AM   #49 
        - How do they have this influence?  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 08:54 AM   #50 
           - You misread  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 09:02 AM   #51 
              - OK, so now the ADL controls what we think  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:06 AM   #54 
                 - ADL and AIPAC  solinvictus   Apr-25-04 09:22 AM   #66 
                 - More claims of Zionist media control  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:28 AM   #69 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:55 AM   # 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:31 AM   #72 
                    - Setting the agenda  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:39 AM   #81 
                       - How does it do that, you ask?  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 09:57 AM   #106 
  - PNAC runs the government  AntiCoup2k   Apr-25-04 10:01 AM   #111 
  - What motivates our alliance?  RapidCreek   Apr-25-04 09:38 AM   #80 
  - The most passionate critic of Sharon I know  demnan   Apr-25-04 07:50 AM   #13 
  - Many Israelis hate Sharon  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 08:08 AM   #17 
  - A very important point you bring up  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 08:30 AM   #30 
  - Excellent post.  PsychoDad   Apr-25-04 08:14 AM   #19 
  - Haven't you heard?  Jacobin   Apr-25-04 08:42 AM   #46 
  - An understandably emotional plea for sanity.  Matilda   Apr-25-04 09:11 AM   #57 
  - Holocaust II  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:13 AM   #59 
     - Do you know, I don't think I really care any more.  Matilda   Apr-25-04 09:21 AM   #65 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:31 AM   #71 
        - such language from a chrisitan!  mopaul   Apr-25-04 09:34 AM   #74 
        - Language vs. 5 million lives  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:36 AM   #78 
        - So which pro Palestinians aren't being honest Muddle?  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 09:35 AM   #76 
           - Don't know  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:40 AM   #82 
              - holocaust schmolocaust  mopaul   Apr-25-04 09:42 AM   #85 
              - Wow, what a telling post.  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:48 AM   #90 
                 - you appear to be outnumbered muddle....that's also telling  mopaul   Apr-25-04 09:49 AM   #93 
                 - All it tells is it is early on Sunday morning  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:51 AM   #96 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:53 AM   #100 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:51 AM   #97 
                 - truth hurts Muddle  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 10:04 AM   #113 
                 - wow, what a telling reply.  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 09:52 AM   #98 
                    - The Holocaust is not some smug rhetorical device  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:54 AM   #101 
                       - no, you said "Holocaust II" like it was a cheap horror movie sequel  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 09:56 AM   #105 
                          - Nothing cheap about it  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 10:02 AM   #112 
              - sounded like you were talking to all of them  bpilgrim   Apr-25-04 09:42 AM   #86 
              - What you infer  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:48 AM   #92 
              - But you do have an idea  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 09:50 AM   #94 
                 - Maybe others are more cautious  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:52 AM   #99 
                    - no,you're still here  Forkboy   Apr-25-04 09:56 AM   #104 
     - is closer to what is happening NOW  bpilgrim   Apr-25-04 09:41 AM   #83 
     - Claiming there is ANY comparison  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:44 AM   #88 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:48 AM   #91 
        - Actually the plight of the Palestinians  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-25-04 09:55 AM   #102 
        - I do support the oppressed people  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:57 AM   #107 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-04 09:58 AM   #109 
           - You mean other than the many  sirjwtheblack   Apr-25-04 10:08 AM   #116 
        - as opposed to Israel somehow facing "Holocaust II" as you put it...  thebigidea   Apr-25-04 09:55 AM   #103 
        - ever heard of ghettos?  bpilgrim   Apr-25-04 10:06 AM   #115 
     - You are hilarious  RapidCreek   Apr-25-04 09:43 AM   #87 
        - Back where they came from?  Muddleoftheroad   Apr-25-04 09:50 AM   #95 
  - Thank you  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-25-04 09:14 AM   #60 
  - Locking......  Moderator   Apr-25-04 10:10 AM   #117 
 

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