Reply #14: So you are excited...

[Nicholas_J]

There are two stances to take...

Dean has found a group he has studied, and has decided to tailor a message in order to get that groups support and you like that message and do not care whether he is telling the truth or not about what he actually will do if he wins the nomination and gets in office...

Or you hear a message, and decide to look at whether this message is one Dean actually intends on following through with.

There is another way of looking at Dean...

That he is another democrat who is moving the party further in the direction that are part of the reasons that you are disatisfied with the democratic party.

The example of what Dean did when the information came forth about Bush's faked intelligence. Rather than engage in a united democratic front against Bush, Dean attakced not Bush but trhe democrats who have been trying to stop Bush actrions sonce last October.

Deans attack on the October Resolution made didvided Democratic frce against Bush again, as Democrats insist that this act required Bush to exhaust all diplmatic and peaceful methods before use of force. Again Dean attacked this stance, weakening the democrats ablity to gain united demcratic public opinion to hold Bush accountable
Dean would ratther see Bush succeed, than assist Democrats in actively and forcefully opposing Bush.There was a name for these type of Democrats in 1980. They were Reagan Democrats, forcing the party into taking ever more connservative stances in order to stay in power.

Again. Deans comments about Social Security is another example. Deans statements conincide with the Republican ideas of weakening Social Security. Push the retirement age to 68 or 70. Dean has said both.

Dean supporters spent the better part of a day railing that Dean never said any such thing. Until Dean apologized and said his statements were wrong. Another of a long sequence of ean apologies for directly lying, or misrepresenting the actions of others.
The democratic party, and people like Kerry have been VERY effective in opposing Preublican attempts to weaken or destroy social programs. Kerry and oter republicans forced numerous labor and health acts through Congress that created the environoment that Dean had in Vermont.

The message may have some validity, but the record of the messenger has none. There is a great disconnect between Dean the Governor, and the Dean who is trying to say what you want to hear in order to get your worked up and enthusiastic about voting for him...

You simply are stating, you beleive him because you beleive him because he gets you worked up.

That does not necessarily point to Dean being able or even willing to make anything better than the hash Bush has made of this nation.

Deans record in many ways resembles Bush's. Dean was just fortunate that CLinton was president when he was governor.

What I do know is that as Governor, Dean was fiscally every bit as conservative as Bush, and socially, he was not much better.


I also know that in less than a year Dean has been caught lying, misrepresenting and having to apologize or retract statements numerous times. Once, OK. but three or four times, I am inclined to doubt the honesty of the man.

I think it was Robert Heinlein who said that 3/4ths of a lie is wanting to beleive it.

Perhaps that is why Dean has the support he does. They desperately want to beleive the message, so much that they are willing to ignore the record of the messenger.

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