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MiltonLeBerle Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:51 AM
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50. That's not true AT ALL.
Who made you the Grand High Arbitrator of just who is and isn't a Democrat?
But since you appear to have assumed the title, perhaps it would be best if you put out a pamphlet outlining the requirements for being a true Democrat...? I'd sure hate to end up on the wrong side of the line without even knowing it.

BTW-While I'm not necessarily against gay marriage, I see it as something that will ultimately be of the greatest benefit to divorce lawyers.
I might like to see something like another level of commitment added to the mix. Whereby you could have 2 types of "marriage", both types open to both hetero- and homosexuals.

A Civil Union would be easier to get out of by either party in a sort of no-fault divorce proceeding, and could be used by any type of co-habitating couple, even relatives- and possibly even polyamorous reltionships...in order to take advantage of some of the legal/social/medical/etc... benefits currently allocated only to married persons.

A Marriage would be a higher level of 'commitment' open only to couples(gay or straight), but not to relatives that are not currently allowed to marry. And a divorce would be much harder to get in this type of relationship.

I'm not that personally familiar with divorce and probably naive about the process- my parents, siblings, and myself have never been through it, and the same goes for my wife and her family- although both of my parents have a sister (2 of my aunts) who has been divorced- twice each in fact.
I'm just putting this out as a rough sketch of the idea, and was wondering what thoughts and input others might have- particularly to build on the concept.
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  -Is anybody here at DU anti-gay marriage? Superfly  Aug-05-03 09:58 AM   #0 
  - yes -- there are folk who are against it  xchrom   Aug-05-03 10:01 AM   #1 
  - as a straight woman  JitterbugPerfume   Aug-05-03 10:04 AM   #5 
  - How Would You Know. . .  ProfessorGAC   Aug-05-03 10:26 AM   #19 
     - i've seen several  enki23   Aug-05-03 02:29 PM   #103 
     - i find people, even here,  xchrom   Aug-05-03 02:33 PM   #104 
  - Not me!  bicentennial_baby   Aug-05-03 10:02 AM   #2 
  - I have encountered a few  gratuitous   Aug-05-03 10:02 AM   #3 
  - And then there are some "enlightened" gays who say...  liberal_veteran   Aug-05-03 10:04 AM   #4 
  - I'm straight and I've said that!  Superfly   Aug-05-03 10:07 AM   #7 
     - I see your point....  liberal_veteran   Aug-05-03 10:14 AM   #11 
  - opposition to gay marriage. . .  AntiLempa   Aug-05-03 10:05 AM   #6 
  - I definately agree with you.  Iris   Aug-05-03 03:11 PM   #112 
  - I think we should  liberalnurse   Aug-05-03 10:07 AM   #8 
  - Are people married in a civil ceremony ...  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 10:17 AM   #15 
     - Yes. No.  Snow   Aug-05-03 01:38 PM   #79 
  - hope not  imhotep   Aug-05-03 10:08 AM   #9 
  - It's not just a democratic issue  HFishbine   Aug-05-03 10:24 AM   #18 
  - something your city council can do  bearfartinthewoods   Aug-05-03 11:26 AM   #36 
  - Asked him already.  HFishbine   Aug-05-03 11:30 AM   #39 
  - Chris Shays  SyracuseDemocrat   Aug-05-03 10:50 PM   #146 
  - That's not true AT ALL.  MiltonLeBerle   Aug-05-03 11:51 AM   #50 
  - Does That Mean  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-05-03 12:23 PM   #65 
  - Yes  quinnox   Aug-05-03 10:10 AM   #10 
  - I am not anti-gay rights but....  kentuck   Aug-05-03 10:14 AM   #12 
  - i'm not racist, but...  tuck   Aug-05-03 12:57 PM   #72 
     - I'm glad we agree...  kentuck   Aug-05-03 01:29 PM   #74 
        - is that a response?  tuck   Aug-05-03 01:34 PM   #76 
        - I see your point...  kentuck   Aug-05-03 01:47 PM   #85 
           - see my post # 77  tuck   Aug-05-03 03:29 PM   #119 
        - shit...  tuck   Aug-05-03 01:36 PM   #77 
  - Well, I don't think ...  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 10:15 AM   #13 
  - Exactly TNut  HFishbine   Aug-05-03 10:29 AM   #20 
     - 'Marriage' has always been about property and entitlement.  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 11:00 AM   #27 
        - Scrolling down to your post  Karenina   Aug-05-03 02:13 PM   #99 
           - (Giggle)  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 02:28 PM   #102 
  - There are DU defenders of the PRINCIPAL OPPONENTS of  Liberator_Rev   Aug-05-03 10:16 AM   #14 
  - yes  sujan   Aug-05-03 10:34 AM   #22 
  - PRINCIPAL OPPONENTS? more spin from DJ Rev  Blue_Chill   Aug-05-03 10:39 AM   #23 
  - The archives of the old DU are full of venomous attacks on gay rights  IndianaGreen   Aug-05-03 11:05 AM   #28 
  - yes, yes they are  tuck   Aug-05-03 03:35 PM   #121 
  - IG thank you!!!!  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 09:34 PM   #130 
  - Queer Theory is Grayer Than You Think  OrdinaryTa   Aug-06-03 01:11 AM   #158 
  - So which DU catholics have said they oppose gay marriage?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-05-03 11:19 AM   #35 
  - prove it  dymaxia   Aug-05-03 04:43 PM   #128 
  - Live and let Live  madmax   Aug-05-03 10:18 AM   #16 
  - I dont get the whole issue  pbeal   Aug-05-03 10:21 AM   #17 
  - I think it would actually strengthen the institution of marriage.  ibegurpard   Aug-05-03 10:32 AM   #21 
  - excellent point  drdigi420   Aug-05-03 12:49 PM   #71 
  - live and let live  ohmyman1   Aug-05-03 10:44 AM   #24 
  - yes  WoodrowFan   Aug-05-03 10:46 AM   #25 
  - civil unions are fine but not marriage  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:55 AM   #26 
  - sex is the procreation mechinism  buddhamama   Aug-05-03 11:09 AM   #29 
  - yeah, and then there came civilization  jagguy   Aug-05-03 11:27 AM   #37 
     - So let me see if I understand this?  liberal_veteran   Aug-05-03 11:37 AM   #42 
     - enlightenment comes as we are able to understand it  jagguy   Aug-05-03 11:40 AM   #43 
        - Okay then try this on for size....  liberal_veteran   Aug-05-03 11:56 AM   #51 
        - I don't care  jagguy   Aug-05-03 12:15 PM   #58 
           - What a nice little catch-22 for gay people....  liberal_veteran   Aug-05-03 12:39 PM   #69 
           - you have a point  jagguy   Aug-05-03 01:44 PM   #82 
              - Oh yeah?  jono   Aug-05-03 02:01 PM   #93 
              - read all the versions and take an average  jagguy   Aug-05-03 02:04 PM   #95 
                 - Not a game at all  jono   Aug-05-03 03:45 PM   #123 
              - Oh it may have been around for quite a while.  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 09:42 PM   #131 
           - What creed says this??  geomon   Aug-05-03 03:26 PM   #117 
        - are you saying that,  buddhamama   Aug-05-03 12:06 PM   #53 
        - it tends to be more often than not  jagguy   Aug-05-03 12:16 PM   #59 
           - baloney! i'm christian  xchrom   Aug-05-03 02:47 PM   #109 
        - we are not worthy ...great one..we bow to you...  geomon   Aug-05-03 03:23 PM   #116 
     - okay...  buddhamama   Aug-05-03 11:46 AM   #48 
     - marriage was about which heir  xchrom   Aug-05-03 02:41 PM   #108 
  - what about heterosexual marriages that don't produce children?  paulk   Aug-05-03 11:28 AM   #38 
  - I Agree Paulk  WoodrowFan   Aug-05-03 11:33 AM   #40 
  - sex is about procreation  jagguy   Aug-05-03 11:44 AM   #45 
     - it's not about WANTING to have children  paulk   Aug-05-03 11:58 AM   #52 
     - My wife and I went through 3 years of infertility treatment  jagguy   Aug-05-03 12:10 PM   #55 
        - Ahhhhh...  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 04:40 PM   #127 
     - Well my girlfriend and I (same sex) try and try, but still no kids  soothsayer   Aug-05-03 03:28 PM   #118 
     - I did the same thing!  Sapphocrat   Aug-05-03 10:49 PM   #145 
     - 15 years before you produced a child?  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 09:49 PM   #132 
  - Um, straight female here, and I'm NOT having children...  catpower2000   Aug-05-03 11:44 AM   #46 
  - I had no intention of having children  jagguy   Aug-05-03 12:11 PM   #56 
     - That is not my point.  catpower2000   Aug-05-03 01:50 PM   #87 
     - Meant no offense  jagguy   Aug-05-03 02:01 PM   #94 
        - Thank you for your civility. My response...  catpower2000   Aug-05-03 02:12 PM   #97 
           - actually gay Christians get married all the time  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:08 PM   #137 
     - So then, jagguy...  Sapphocrat   Aug-05-03 03:13 PM   #114 
  - "a procreation mechinism" ??????  CheshireCat   Aug-05-03 11:47 AM   #49 
  - marriage goes back WAY before the USA  jagguy   Aug-05-03 12:07 PM   #54 
     - i disagree, but i won't argue  tuck   Aug-05-03 01:31 PM   #75 
     - excellent points  jagguy   Aug-05-03 01:49 PM   #86 
     - I think some references might be appropriate here,  Snow   Aug-05-03 01:46 PM   #84 
     - you baffle me  jagguy   Aug-05-03 01:54 PM   #88 
        - What's to baffle?  Snow   Aug-05-03 02:41 PM   #107 
     - Homosexuality goes WAY back, before the USA even.  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 09:59 PM   #133 
        - History of Homosexuality  OrdinaryTa   Aug-06-03 12:44 AM   #156 
           - Any Bible-believing Christian...  Sapphocrat   Aug-06-03 02:09 AM   #160 
  - what is the difference between  paulk   Aug-05-03 12:18 PM   #61 
  - because the word has a long and distinct history  jagguy   Aug-05-03 12:21 PM   #63 
     - so you would accept civil unions  paulk   Aug-05-03 12:32 PM   #67 
     - absolutely  jagguy   Aug-05-03 01:55 PM   #89 
     - Definitions don't change?  Greyskye   Aug-05-03 01:09 PM   #73 
        - lets not confuse lingo with terms  jagguy   Aug-05-03 01:56 PM   #90 
           - lingo vs. term?  FarceOfNature   Aug-05-03 02:12 PM   #98 
           - I yield to your clarification  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:13 PM   #138 
           - Huh?  Greyskye   Aug-05-03 02:52 PM   #110 
  - So I presume you'd be against marriage for infertile het couples too?  Mairead   Aug-05-03 01:43 PM   #81 
  - no, of course not  jagguy   Aug-05-03 02:00 PM   #92 
     - ok then  ulysses   Aug-05-03 03:18 PM   #115 
     - it's not all about sex. it just isn't  Heddi   Aug-05-03 03:54 PM   #124 
     - Oh, so only church goers and religious people can have sex?  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 10:05 PM   #136 
        - clearly, anyone can have sex  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:18 PM   #139 
           - Oh but we are ALL decendants of Adam and Eve...  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 10:40 PM   #141 
              - all good reasons for seperation of church and state  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:46 PM   #142 
                 - Oh well in that case....  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 10:50 PM   #147 
                    - if there were sufficient seperation between church and state  jagguy   Aug-05-03 11:17 PM   #151 
                       - Oh but you are dead wrong.  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 11:29 PM   #152 
  - check this out  sujan   Aug-05-03 02:25 PM   #101 
  - Hey jagguy?  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 09:26 PM   #129 
     - the ideas are not new  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:21 PM   #140 
        - Well my girlfreind straps one on...  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 10:47 PM   #143 
           - ROFLMAO!  Sapphocrat   Aug-05-03 10:58 PM   #148 
              - Sappho, would you like an Aussie coke or a Yank coke?  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-05-03 11:00 PM   #149 
  - Social norms can't be changed overnight  lanlady   Aug-05-03 11:10 AM   #30 
  - question on your position  election_2004   Aug-05-03 11:15 AM   #32 
  - Let's not forget  election_2004   Aug-05-03 11:16 AM   #33 
  - What is the compelling argument? It is this: WHY NOT?  catpower2000   Aug-05-03 11:46 AM   #47 
  - How about this compelling reason...  Sapphocrat   Aug-05-03 03:30 PM   #120 
  - the institution of marriage, as practiced in this country, has long been a  DemLikr   Aug-05-03 11:12 AM   #31 
  - Gay marriage is as OK with me as any state-sanctioned marriage.  shimmergal   Aug-05-03 11:19 AM   #34 
  - Couples vs. Singles  OrdinaryTa   Aug-06-03 12:30 AM   #155 
  - How can a progressive be anti-rights?  Maeve   Aug-05-03 11:33 AM   #41 
  - boy, I've been trying to make that point and getting nowhere  jagguy   Aug-05-03 10:47 PM   #144 
  - The marriage part is for churches to decide. Equal rights, on the  janx   Aug-05-03 11:42 AM   #44 
  - There's nothing religious about 'marriage'.  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 02:35 PM   #105 
  - No one is asking...  Sapphocrat   Aug-05-03 03:56 PM   #125 
     - Catholic Marriage  OrdinaryTa   Aug-06-03 12:02 AM   #153 
        - It's been a few years...  Sapphocrat   Aug-06-03 12:22 AM   #154 
           - Two Untrue Statements  OrdinaryTa   Aug-06-03 12:51 AM   #157 
           - Okay, Father Ta...  Sapphocrat   Aug-06-03 01:36 AM   #159 
           - Sappho, you are still right my girl.  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-06-03 02:09 AM   #161 
              - I don't know which would be worse...  Sapphocrat   Aug-06-03 02:27 AM   #162 
                 - Answers to your questions.  foreigncorrespondent   Aug-06-03 02:39 AM   #163 
  - Karl Rove is using the "gay rights" issue to divide Dems just as he's  jody   Aug-05-03 12:13 PM   #57 
  - Not Me  Upfront   Aug-05-03 12:16 PM   #60 
  - On social issues I am a liberterian  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-05-03 12:19 PM   #62 
  - I am anti-gay marriage  sangha   Aug-05-03 12:21 PM   #64 
  - Interesting.  TahitiNut   Aug-05-03 01:59 PM   #91 
  - I am anti-marriage - based on personal experience. But  robbedvoter   Aug-05-03 12:25 PM   #66 
  - robbedvoter...  Sapphocrat   Aug-05-03 04:14 PM   #126 
  - Every wedding is a gay event....  LeftHander   Aug-05-03 12:36 PM   #68 
  - all the arguments I hear opposing  StandWatie   Aug-05-03 12:42 PM   #70 
  - I wonder whether this might perhaps be true  Mairead   Aug-05-03 01:37 PM   #78 
  - I like this one by Toles  Maeve   Aug-05-03 01:40 PM   #80 
     - Yes! That's a beaut. I'd forgotten about that one. Thanks for  Mairead   Aug-05-03 01:46 PM   #83 
  - I'm a heterosexual atheist about to get a vasectomy  ott   Aug-05-03 02:08 PM   #96 
  - Certainly  northzax   Aug-05-03 02:21 PM   #100 
  - not me, I am all for gay marriage  JohnKleeb   Aug-05-03 02:38 PM   #106 
  - Let the churches decide on the marriage thing. To be fair, perhaps  MissMarple   Aug-05-03 02:58 PM   #111 
  - not me - I say live and let live.  Iris   Aug-05-03 03:12 PM   #113 
  - I am  ButterflyBlood   Aug-05-03 03:39 PM   #122 
  - as a straight man,  rabid_nerd   Aug-05-03 10:00 PM   #134 
  - Besides,  rabid_nerd   Aug-05-03 10:01 PM   #135 
  - I'm not, but I try to be practical  liberalpragmatist   Aug-05-03 11:11 PM   #150 
 

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