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49. FBI agents probably don't follow "common publishing practice"
Edited on Sun Apr-11-04 12:47 AM by scottxyz
Notice that some diction here is that stiff, trying-to-sound-formal police-style: missing articles, elisions, etc.

I doubt the FBI pays much attention to that rule about spelling out numbers ten and under.

= = =

On the other hand, the Arabic names seem to be transliterated very consistently, and slightly differently than what we see in the press. I would guess this to be a more "academic" transliteration of Arabic names (bin Ladin instead of Laden).

Apostrophes in Arabic names seem to be carefully placed also.

It's also obviously in Microsoft Word, with that ugly Arial knockoff of Helvetica. For what that's worth. So the FBI uses Windows.

It would be hard to get a computer to automatically spell out numbers 1 - 10 as "one" to "ten" to conform to "publishers' style". 99% of people who know how to put page numbers into footers click on that little "#" icon and let it display the correct number at the bottom of each page.

More likely, if they wanted to convey maximum information (perhaps for filing or legal purposes) about page numbering they could have numbered:

1 of 11
2 of 11

in the footer. The "11" part might have to be manually updated if the document grew or shrank - I don't remember if MS-Word lets you put in a symbol that means "total number of pages in this document".

= = =

The layout seems to be a full-width paragraph starting with itals giving a summary - and then usually an indented paragraph giving details.

In terms of layout (and semantics) the second page we got could be the "real" "page 2" - it's slightly indented, and it seems to offer details about the full-width paragraph at the bottom of "page 1".

There are three elements of the sentence at the top of "page 2" which could semantically refer back to the last sentence at the bottom of "page 1":

- "Nevertheless" (ie, despite having said that we couldn't corroborate the recently reported threat reporting)

- "FBI information" (ie, as opposed to info from the redacted, presumably foreign, "service")

- "since that time" (ie, since 1988)

= = =

My hunch - these are the only two pages. And they're damning enough.

Note in particular the use of the present tense and words like "recent" when talking about threats (in contradistinction to Condi's claim that the document was "historical"), the specificity of the threats "hijacking", "New York", "Washington", "buildings" all mentioned (in contradistinction to Condi's claim that "we didn't know where, when, or how" - actually the only thing they didn't know was when), and then notice the title itself, which any reasonable person would expect their President to construe as a strong warning (again, this contradicts Condi, who said it was "not a warning").

= = =

I don't know how intelligence summaries like this are usually written (and it would great to have a bunch of them to compare it to!) but I bet this is just how the intel services would write when they think an attack is likely.

How much stronger could they have said it?

"Probability of Terrorism 90% over the next 30 days"?

That kind of quantitative stuff would be fine for Tom Ridge to tease the citizens with, but intel people wouldn't talk that way.

I doubt anyone in the FBI would put their career on the line and say "An Attack is Certain" or "An Attack is Coming" and then look like Chicken Little in case nothing ends up happening.

This is worded about as strongly as one would expect. "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In the U.S." is dry and specific and to the point and pretty throat-grabbing and thoroughly damning enough.

Bush could be impeached over this. It doesn't have to be LIHOP - it could just be dyslexia. Whatever.

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  -8/6/01 PDB -- Was It Really *11* Pages?? RedSock  Apr-10-04 10:19 PM   #0 
  - Good Catch...I suspected something like this!!! n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 10:21 PM   #1 
  - Great find  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:22 PM   #2 
  - We need to examine the document. I saw a PDF of it - it's text-based  Stephanie   Apr-10-04 10:23 PM   #3 
  - Here, I found a copy of it over in LBN  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:26 PM   #5 
  - Here's page 2  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:28 PM   #8 
  - The footer of each page  alvis   Apr-10-04 10:34 PM   #15 
  - The footer.  TripleD   Apr-11-04 12:40 AM   #50 
  - File source  0007   Apr-11-04 07:51 AM   #64 
  - What could that be blacked out at the bottom?  Zynx   Apr-11-04 07:48 AM   #63 
  - No, we need the PDF  Stephanie   Apr-10-04 10:30 PM   #9 
     - Go here  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:40 PM   #19 
     - p 1. margins don't match p 2. margins  salin   Apr-11-04 02:23 PM   #90 
  - Go to  scottxyz   Apr-10-04 10:40 PM   #20 
  - Pfft...10 missing pages!!! %$#&!!!  pengpong   Apr-10-04 10:25 PM   #4 
  - "the report is straight from the CIA director." huh?  Vickers   Apr-10-04 10:26 PM   #6 
  - i heard they were going to re write it  seabeyond   Apr-10-04 10:27 PM   #7 
  - are they throwing us a bone?  RedSock   Apr-10-04 10:30 PM   #10 
  - Before we fly off the handle . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-10-04 10:30 PM   #11 
  - Read the link  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:33 PM   #13 
  - It doesn't say 'long' . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-10-04 10:39 PM   #18 
     - Now, what does common sense tell you about the NeoCons?...  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-10-04 10:55 PM   #25 
        - Common sense tells me . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-10-04 11:30 PM   #35 
           - Re: confirmation . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-11-04 01:38 AM   #58 
           - Common sense also dictates that...  jeanmarc   Apr-11-04 01:19 PM   #77 
              - You wouldn't think so . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-13-04 05:42 PM   #106 
  - It's common publishing practice  notsodumbhillbilly   Apr-10-04 10:39 PM   #17 
  - FBI agents probably don't follow "common publishing practice"  scottxyz   Apr-11-04 12:40 AM   #49 
  - In journalism you do not spell out 11, but you do spell out one  pbl   Apr-10-04 10:47 PM   #23 
  - They left out the parts  ThoughtCriminal   Apr-10-04 10:31 PM   #12 
  - bah ha ha ha  seabeyond   Apr-10-04 10:54 PM   #24 
     - Fill me in  vetwife   Apr-11-04 12:29 AM   #47 
  - For a "historical" analysis of Al Qaeda  boreDem   Apr-10-04 10:34 PM   #14 
  - Note that the place on the bottom for page numbers is redacted...  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 10:36 PM   #16 
  - Wide area redacted. Maybe "Page N of N"?  Ready4Change   Apr-11-04 12:15 AM   #42 
  - Could also be the security level  Vickers   Apr-11-04 12:25 AM   #44 
     - But the question remains ...  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:36 PM   #80 
  - Exactly  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:24 PM   #78 
  - No, it was 1 and 1/2 pages long, it's a 'typo'.....  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 10:40 PM   #21 
  - How does any of this prove or disprove  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:58 PM   #27 
  - Well first off its been reported to death that the length of the ORIGINAL  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 11:22 PM   #33 
     - Remember the history of this PDB....  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:29 PM   #34 
     - So are you telling me that George Tenet FORGOT how long it was.....  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 11:45 PM   #39 
     - I'd love to see the quote you are referring to  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-11-04 05:54 AM   #61 
  - If it's a typo, what sense would be made of this:  Minstrel Boy   Apr-10-04 11:01 PM   #28 
  - Extraordinarily SHORT to match his attention span!  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 11:35 PM   #36 
  - True...  Mattforclark   Apr-11-04 12:34 AM   #48 
  - That was my thought too.  dirk   Apr-12-04 08:55 AM   #98 
  - elfeinhalb vs. einseinhalb  Mattforclark   Apr-11-04 12:26 AM   #45 
     - I think this shoots "typo" out of the water...n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 07:28 AM   #62 
     - "Einseinhalb" doesn't exist. It's "Anderthalb" or "eineinhalb"  gandalf   Apr-12-04 04:24 AM   #94 
  - If you look on page 2, it looks like the shadow of a blank...  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 10:43 PM   #22 
  - yeah, it does look like that...  w13rd0   Apr-10-04 10:55 PM   #26 
  - Exactly right. The column seems to begin with "factoids" for Smirko...  Octafish   Apr-10-04 11:40 PM   #38 
  - Anybody speak German???  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:05 PM   #29 
  - Yes, DUer Gandalf  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 11:06 PM   #30 
  - Done. n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:13 PM   #31 
     - PM?  gandalf   Apr-12-04 04:28 AM   #95 
        - Thanks gandalf. There's been confirmation that it's 11 pages...  Junkdrawer   Apr-13-04 06:19 AM   #103 
  - I looked for the Oct. 2002 article  Vickers   Apr-10-04 11:36 PM   #37 
  - OK, I found the original page on Der Zeit Archiv  Vickers   Apr-10-04 11:54 PM   #40 
  - Literal translation  scottxyz   Apr-11-04 12:51 AM   #53 
  - I speak German  Mattforclark   Apr-11-04 12:24 AM   #43 
  - Even the Google translater says 11 1/2 ...  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 02:14 PM   #89 
  - Contacted Die Zeit today  gandalf   Apr-13-04 06:05 AM   #102 
  - Another source that says 10 to 12 pages (credit papau)  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:19 PM   #32 
  - Well there goes IHT's credibility......  ParanoidPat   Apr-11-04 12:26 AM   #46 
  - hey hey hey remember during commission  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 12:02 AM   #41 
  - RIGHT. He held pinched fingers up and said "only this much" seen of PDB.  JohnOneillsMemory   Apr-11-04 01:36 PM   #81 
  - It's interesting.....  yardwork   Apr-11-04 12:43 AM   #51 
  - bush has only himself to blame this time  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 12:58 AM   #56 
  - For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.  aquart   Apr-12-04 05:05 AM   #96 
  - Does anyone find it odd that the name "Osama" is not mentioned ?  ConcernedCanuk   Apr-11-04 12:45 AM   #52 
  - The biggest reason it seems to only be only two is  gmaki   Apr-11-04 12:53 AM   #54 
  - go here and play  alfredo   Apr-11-04 12:57 AM   #55 
  - i watched the whole thing one night.  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 01:01 AM   #57 
  - Wow. Thanks for the link. .....n/t  TeeYiYi   Apr-11-04 02:25 AM   #59 
  - Holy cow, this is awesome!  Vickers   Apr-11-04 08:48 AM   #66 
     - You're welcomed guys.  alfredo   Apr-11-04 10:24 AM   #69 
  - CNN says "*Parts* of the original document were *not* made public...  VolcanoJen   Apr-11-04 02:43 AM   #60 
  - From the LA Times...  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 08:38 AM   #65 
     - Could it be that some of the missing pages  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-11-04 09:06 AM   #67 
     - I was thinking that they didn't pertain to alQeda  underpants   Apr-11-04 09:14 AM   #68 
        - If the actual Aug. 6 PDB was 11 and 1/2 pages long,  amandabeech   Apr-11-04 11:26 AM   #70 
        - Perhaps the other pages were Iraq?  amandabeech   Apr-11-04 01:08 PM   #75 
     - That is what I think, too. They left out irrelevant sections... like  Ravy   Apr-11-04 02:00 PM   #86 
        - I just have to say  ant   Apr-11-04 06:23 PM   #91 
  - Kick  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 11:51 AM   #71 
  - that's not a typo. if you mean "1" you write "one"  enki23   Apr-11-04 12:00 PM   #72 
  - See post #40...n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 12:18 PM   #73 
  - So why would the page number be blacked out?  ThoughtCriminal   Apr-11-04 01:05 PM   #74 
  - this is the stupid *ss thing with this dude  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 01:14 PM   #76 
  - The thing is that every news org. seems to refer to what is released  salin   Apr-11-04 01:25 PM   #79 
  - I think I caught something else  kgfnally   Apr-11-04 01:46 PM   #82 
  - Good catch!  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:49 PM   #84 
  - We got the first and the last page  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-11-04 06:40 PM   #93 
  - Why I don't believe it's a typo ...  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:47 PM   #83 
  - Again, read post #40...  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 01:57 PM   #85 
     - Thanks for the tip  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 02:07 PM   #88 
  - So they faked the PDB they just released as well  dpbrown   Apr-11-04 02:02 PM   #87 
  - not a big deal, IMHO  ant   Apr-11-04 06:36 PM   #92 
  - But Why The Blacked Out Page Numbers?  bonemachine   Apr-13-04 02:29 AM   #101 
  - This deserves a kick..  wtf   Apr-12-04 08:43 AM   #97 
  - CONFIRMATION HERE...  Junkdrawer   Apr-12-04 09:04 PM   #99 
  - AP Wire Mentions Length!  bonemachine   Apr-12-04 09:09 PM   #100 
  - Kick  bonemachine   Apr-13-04 04:11 PM   #104 
     - Worth a kick  Robb   Apr-13-04 05:37 PM   #105 
        - Yes it is  bonemachine   Apr-14-04 03:27 AM   #107 
  - Just received confirmation from German newspaper Die Zeit  gandalf   Apr-14-04 04:25 AM   #108 

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