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21. No, it was 1 and 1/2 pages long, it's a 'typo'.....
For a lot more information on other declassified PDB's read this from
..... http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116 /

The President's Daily Brief Coverup




By Thomas S. Blanton

April 8, 2004



Washington, D.C., April 8 - The most contentious moments of today's nationally televised hearing of the commission investigating the September 11th terrorist attacks focused on the controversial secret intelligence briefing received by President Bush on August 6, 2001 - a top-level document called the President's Daily Brief. Commission members Bob Kerrey, Richard Ben-Veniste and Timothy Roemer each asked national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to declassify the document, and each time she ducked the direct question, telling Mr. Roemer that "I think you know the sensitivity of presidential decision memoranda."

The White House resisted the commission for months on the question of their access to the Briefs, (Note 1) but after public pressure from the commission and victims' families, relented somewhat. Prior to today's hearing, three commission members and its staff director got to see the originals of President's Daily Briefs from the Bush and Clinton years relating to terrorism. They then wrote up a summary for their peers. (Note 2) But the direct quotes from the August 6, 2001 President's Daily Brief read into the record today, both by commission members and by Dr. Rice, point to an underlying reality - that the Brief could be declassified and released publicly simply by blacking out the sources-and-methods information. (See my article in Slate magazine, posted 22 March 2004, "Who's Afraid of the PDB?")

Perhaps the White House will take this simple step, just as it reversed its previous absolute refusal to allow Dr. Rice to testify in public. Standing in the way of this common sense approach, however, are myths and misinformation about the President's Daily Brief - put forward by the White House, CIA, and even the 9-11 commission's own chairman - that, in Mark Twain's phrase, have gone twice around the world while the truth was putting on its shoes.

For example, each of the following italicized statements is a myth, and below the myth in plain type is the reason why.

<More>

Other declassified PDB's can be accessed here for comparison. :evilgrin:

Section II: The President's Daily Brief -- Declassified

Presidents Daily Brief, 7 August 1965 (4 pp.), declassified 15 July 1993.
Source: Lyndon Baines Johnson Library (Austin, Texas), National Security File, Intelligence Briefings File, obtained by Dr. William Burr.

Presidents Daily Brief, 13 May 1967, (1 p. excerpt), declassified 14 May 1993.

Presidents Daily Brief, 16 May 1967 (2 pp. excerpt), declassified 14 May 1993.

Presidents Daily Brief, 27 May 1967 (1 p. excerpt), declassified 14 May 1993.

Presidents Daily Brief, 5 June 1967 (3 pp. with "Late Items"), declassified 14 May 1993.
Compare to FRUS version which omits Nigeria at http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/johnsonlb/xix/28058.h...

Presidents Daily Brief, 6 June 1967 (1 p. excerpt), declassified 14 May 1993.

Presidents Daily Brief, 7 June 1967 (1 p. excerpt), declassified 14 May 1993.

Presidents Daily Brief, 8 June 1967 (2 pp. excerpt), first page declassified 14 May 1993, "Late Item" page declassified 6 November 1985.

Presidents Daily Brief, 9 June 1967 (3 pp.), first two pages declassified 14 May 1993, "Late Item" page declassified 6 November 1985.

Source for the above 1967 PDB excerpts: Lyndon Baines Johnson Library (Austin, Texas), National Security Council History, Middle East Crisis, Appendix A, obtained by Dr. William Burr.

Presidents Daily Brief, 1 April 1968 (5 pp.), declassified 21 December 1989.
Source: Lyndon Baines Johnson Library (Austin, Texas), National Security File, Intelligence Briefings File, obtained by Dr. William

Note the number of pages on these. Hope this helps you. :)
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  -8/6/01 PDB -- Was It Really *11* Pages?? RedSock  Apr-10-04 10:19 PM   #0 
  - Good Catch...I suspected something like this!!! n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 10:21 PM   #1 
  - Great find  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:22 PM   #2 
  - We need to examine the document. I saw a PDF of it - it's text-based  Stephanie   Apr-10-04 10:23 PM   #3 
  - Here, I found a copy of it over in LBN  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:26 PM   #5 
  - Here's page 2  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:28 PM   #8 
  - The footer of each page  alvis   Apr-10-04 10:34 PM   #15 
  - The footer.  TripleD   Apr-11-04 12:40 AM   #50 
  - File source  0007   Apr-11-04 07:51 AM   #64 
  - What could that be blacked out at the bottom?  Zynx   Apr-11-04 07:48 AM   #63 
  - No, we need the PDF  Stephanie   Apr-10-04 10:30 PM   #9 
     - Go here  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:40 PM   #19 
     - p 1. margins don't match p 2. margins  salin   Apr-11-04 02:23 PM   #90 
  - Go to TheSmokingGun.com  scottxyz   Apr-10-04 10:40 PM   #20 
  - Pfft...10 missing pages!!! %$#&!!!  pengpong   Apr-10-04 10:25 PM   #4 
  - "the report is straight from the CIA director." huh?  Vickers   Apr-10-04 10:26 PM   #6 
  - i heard they were going to re write it  seabeyond   Apr-10-04 10:27 PM   #7 
  - are they throwing us a bone?  RedSock   Apr-10-04 10:30 PM   #10 
  - Before we fly off the handle . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-10-04 10:30 PM   #11 
  - Read the link  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:33 PM   #13 
  - It doesn't say 'long' . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-10-04 10:39 PM   #18 
     - Now, what does common sense tell you about the NeoCons?...  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-10-04 10:55 PM   #25 
        - Common sense tells me . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-10-04 11:30 PM   #35 
           - Re: confirmation . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-11-04 01:38 AM   #58 
           - Common sense also dictates that...  jeanmarc   Apr-11-04 01:19 PM   #77 
              - You wouldn't think so . . .  TeeYiYi   Apr-13-04 05:42 PM   #106 
  - It's common publishing practice  notsodumbhillbilly   Apr-10-04 10:39 PM   #17 
  - FBI agents probably don't follow "common publishing practice"  scottxyz   Apr-11-04 12:40 AM   #49 
  - In journalism you do not spell out 11, but you do spell out one  pbl   Apr-10-04 10:47 PM   #23 
  - They left out the parts  ThoughtCriminal   Apr-10-04 10:31 PM   #12 
  - bah ha ha ha  seabeyond   Apr-10-04 10:54 PM   #24 
     - Fill me in  vetwife   Apr-11-04 12:29 AM   #47 
  - For a "historical" analysis of Al Qaeda  boreDem   Apr-10-04 10:34 PM   #14 
  - Note that the place on the bottom for page numbers is redacted...  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 10:36 PM   #16 
  - Wide area redacted. Maybe "Page N of N"?  Ready4Change   Apr-11-04 12:15 AM   #42 
  - Could also be the security level  Vickers   Apr-11-04 12:25 AM   #44 
     - But the question remains ...  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:36 PM   #80 
  - Exactly  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:24 PM   #78 
  - No, it was 1 and 1/2 pages long, it's a 'typo'.....  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 10:40 PM   #21 
  - How does any of this prove or disprove  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 10:58 PM   #27 
  - Well first off its been reported to death that the length of the ORIGINAL  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 11:22 PM   #33 
     - Remember the history of this PDB....  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:29 PM   #34 
     - So are you telling me that George Tenet FORGOT how long it was.....  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 11:45 PM   #39 
     - I'd love to see the quote you are referring to  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-11-04 05:54 AM   #61 
  - If it's a typo, what sense would be made of this:  Minstrel Boy   Apr-10-04 11:01 PM   #28 
  - Extraordinarily SHORT to match his attention span!  ParanoidPat   Apr-10-04 11:35 PM   #36 
  - True...  Mattforclark   Apr-11-04 12:34 AM   #48 
  - That was my thought too.  dirk   Apr-12-04 08:55 AM   #98 
  - elfeinhalb vs. einseinhalb  Mattforclark   Apr-11-04 12:26 AM   #45 
     - I think this shoots "typo" out of the water...n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 07:28 AM   #62 
     - "Einseinhalb" doesn't exist. It's "Anderthalb" or "eineinhalb"  gandalf   Apr-12-04 04:24 AM   #94 
  - If you look on page 2, it looks like the shadow of a blank...  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 10:43 PM   #22 
  - yeah, it does look like that...  w13rd0   Apr-10-04 10:55 PM   #26 
  - Exactly right. The column seems to begin with "factoids" for Smirko...  Octafish   Apr-10-04 11:40 PM   #38 
  - Anybody speak German???  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:05 PM   #29 
  - Yes, DUer Gandalf  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-04 11:06 PM   #30 
  - Done. n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:13 PM   #31 
     - PM?  gandalf   Apr-12-04 04:28 AM   #95 
        - Thanks gandalf. There's been confirmation that it's 11 pages...  Junkdrawer   Apr-13-04 06:19 AM   #103 
  - I looked for the Oct. 2002 article  Vickers   Apr-10-04 11:36 PM   #37 
  - OK, I found the original page on Der Zeit Archiv  Vickers   Apr-10-04 11:54 PM   #40 
  - Literal translation  scottxyz   Apr-11-04 12:51 AM   #53 
  - I speak German  Mattforclark   Apr-11-04 12:24 AM   #43 
  - Even the Google translater says 11 1/2 ...  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 02:14 PM   #89 
  - Contacted Die Zeit today  gandalf   Apr-13-04 06:05 AM   #102 
  - Another source that says 10 to 12 pages (credit papau)  Junkdrawer   Apr-10-04 11:19 PM   #32 
  - Well there goes IHT's credibility......  ParanoidPat   Apr-11-04 12:26 AM   #46 
  - hey hey hey remember during commission  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 12:02 AM   #41 
  - RIGHT. He held pinched fingers up and said "only this much" seen of PDB.  JohnOneillsMemory   Apr-11-04 01:36 PM   #81 
  - It's interesting.....  yardwork   Apr-11-04 12:43 AM   #51 
  - bush has only himself to blame this time  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 12:58 AM   #56 
  - For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.  aquart   Apr-12-04 05:05 AM   #96 
  - Does anyone find it odd that the name "Osama" is not mentioned ?  ConcernedCanuk   Apr-11-04 12:45 AM   #52 
  - The biggest reason it seems to only be only two is  gmaki   Apr-11-04 12:53 AM   #54 
  - go here and play  alfredo   Apr-11-04 12:57 AM   #55 
  - i watched the whole thing one night.  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 01:01 AM   #57 
  - Wow. Thanks for the link. .....n/t  TeeYiYi   Apr-11-04 02:25 AM   #59 
  - Holy cow, this is awesome!  Vickers   Apr-11-04 08:48 AM   #66 
     - You're welcomed guys.  alfredo   Apr-11-04 10:24 AM   #69 
  - CNN says "*Parts* of the original document were *not* made public...  VolcanoJen   Apr-11-04 02:43 AM   #60 
  - From the LA Times...  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 08:38 AM   #65 
     - Could it be that some of the missing pages  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-11-04 09:06 AM   #67 
     - I was thinking that they didn't pertain to alQeda  underpants   Apr-11-04 09:14 AM   #68 
        - If the actual Aug. 6 PDB was 11 and 1/2 pages long,  amandabeech   Apr-11-04 11:26 AM   #70 
        - Perhaps the other pages were Iraq?  amandabeech   Apr-11-04 01:08 PM   #75 
     - That is what I think, too. They left out irrelevant sections... like  Ravy   Apr-11-04 02:00 PM   #86 
        - I just have to say  ant   Apr-11-04 06:23 PM   #91 
  - Kick  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 11:51 AM   #71 
  - that's not a typo. if you mean "1" you write "one"  enki23   Apr-11-04 12:00 PM   #72 
  - See post #40...n/t  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 12:18 PM   #73 
  - So why would the page number be blacked out?  ThoughtCriminal   Apr-11-04 01:05 PM   #74 
  - this is the stupid *ss thing with this dude  seabeyond   Apr-11-04 01:14 PM   #76 
  - The thing is that every news org. seems to refer to what is released  salin   Apr-11-04 01:25 PM   #79 
  - I think I caught something else  kgfnally   Apr-11-04 01:46 PM   #82 
  - Good catch!  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:49 PM   #84 
  - We got the first and the last page  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-11-04 06:40 PM   #93 
  - Why I don't believe it's a typo ...  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 01:47 PM   #83 
  - Again, read post #40...  Junkdrawer   Apr-11-04 01:57 PM   #85 
     - Thanks for the tip  BattyDem   Apr-11-04 02:07 PM   #88 
  - So they faked the PDB they just released as well  dpbrown   Apr-11-04 02:02 PM   #87 
  - not a big deal, IMHO  ant   Apr-11-04 06:36 PM   #92 
  - But Why The Blacked Out Page Numbers?  bonemachine   Apr-13-04 02:29 AM   #101 
  - This deserves a kick..  wtf   Apr-12-04 08:43 AM   #97 
  - CONFIRMATION HERE...  Junkdrawer   Apr-12-04 09:04 PM   #99 
  - AP Wire Mentions Length!  bonemachine   Apr-12-04 09:09 PM   #100 
  - Kick  bonemachine   Apr-13-04 04:11 PM   #104 
     - Worth a kick  Robb   Apr-13-04 05:37 PM   #105 
        - Yes it is  bonemachine   Apr-14-04 03:27 AM   #107 
  - Just received confirmation from German newspaper Die Zeit  gandalf   Apr-14-04 04:25 AM   #108 
 

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