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Thu Apr-08-04 04:25 PM
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| 120. Those are not conditions for life. |
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It was a counter-example.
If you walked into a NICU and saw a baby born at 22 weeks (before the "end of the second trimester" that you identified as the beginning of life), no matter how many ways our society and our laws identified him as being alive -- with a birth certificate, with assets, with announcements of his birth in the newspaper, with insurance coverage, with legal protections, with medical care, food, and other resources being used to promote his survival, with a tax deduction for the parents, and on and on and on -- you would be able to point at that breathing baby with a beating heart and say, "That is not a live human being."
To me, that calls into question sanity, intelligence, compassion, and humanity.
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| -Pro Choice / Pro Life and the loss of the Democratic majority. |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 08:22 PM |
#0 |
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I am pro-choice |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 08:25 PM |
#1 |
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Your post contradicts itself |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 08:30 PM |
#3 |
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I'm assuming that |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 08:33 PM |
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There's no logical way to demonstrate that |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 08:48 PM |
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Sigh. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 08:53 PM |
#9 |
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I answered that question |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 09:03 PM |
#11 |
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OK. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 09:43 PM |
#14 |
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Right |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 09:51 PM |
#19 |
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You don't spend a lot of time looking at the opposing view |
Muddleoftheroad |
Apr-07-04 09:45 PM |
#15 |
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Document, Please |
REP |
Apr-07-04 10:14 PM |
#24 |
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My nephew and nieces were born at age 23 weeks |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 10:16 PM |
#25 |
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No |
REP |
Apr-07-04 10:23 PM |
#28 |
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hardly |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 10:26 PM |
#30 |
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In Other Words, You Can't Back Your Assertion |
REP |
Apr-07-04 10:28 PM |
#32 |
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what more wouild you like |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 10:31 PM |
#34 |
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See my #35 for a citation (Guiness book) |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:33 PM |
#37 |
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hey, my daughters bday is 2/2/91... small world... nt |
zwade |
Apr-07-04 11:04 PM |
#47 |
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cool. but I do feel sorry for you |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 11:08 PM |
#48 |
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ha ha! it is rough :) .. my hair is mostly gone... |
zwade |
Apr-07-04 11:16 PM |
#51 |
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Oh yes |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 11:20 PM |
#52 |
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Ok... will this do? |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:33 PM |
#35 |
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Several cases of well before 24 weeks have been linked to |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:43 PM |
#40 |
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Ding! Ding! Give the ladie a Kewpie doll! |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:50 PM |
#43 |
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Here is one small example |
Muddleoftheroad |
Apr-07-04 11:24 PM |
#54 |
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I actually know.... |
Heyo |
Apr-08-04 03:58 PM |
#108 |
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Right. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:19 PM |
#26 |
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No They Haven't |
REP |
Apr-07-04 10:24 PM |
#29 |
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Link |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:29 PM |
#33 |
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Oh wonder what the person will say now |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 10:33 PM |
#36 |
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Another one |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:35 PM |
#38 |
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A correction on your math |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:47 PM |
#41 |
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Thanks for clarifying. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:53 PM |
#45 |
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No, it's really not |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 08:21 AM |
#79 |
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You think that a preemie in an incubator in the NICU |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 08:24 AM |
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LOL! |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 10:44 AM |
#83 |
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I am still astounded by that post. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 11:33 AM |
#85 |
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It's part of the "slippery slope" we open ourselves up for |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 12:15 PM |
#87 |
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Do I need to edit my post, since reading comprehension is an issue? |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:58 PM |
#156 |
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No. You just need to pay more attention to what you are responding to. |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 07:22 PM |
#166 |
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Nice, but wrong. |
kiahzero |
Apr-09-04 08:08 AM |
#178 |
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Whoops. I was joking. |
Frodo |
Apr-09-04 09:06 AM |
#179 |
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Here we go |
kiahzero |
Apr-09-04 09:22 AM |
#181 |
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Alright, let's try this again. |
Frodo |
Apr-09-04 10:46 AM |
#187 |
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Good Points |
outinforce |
Apr-09-04 11:19 AM |
#188 |
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Good catch |
kiahzero |
Apr-09-04 04:37 PM |
#191 |
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Depends: |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:01 PM |
#109 |
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LOL |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 04:08 PM |
#110 |
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Your conditions for life are what are laughable |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:17 PM |
#115 |
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If they were truly dead, it wouldn't be qualified as *brain* death |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:24 PM |
#118 |
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Death is not death? |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:41 PM |
#130 |
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Yes, a variety of death |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:46 PM |
#133 |
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To me, medically dead is medically dead. |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:48 PM |
#134 |
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other than the fact that you are defining brain death and not death |
dsc |
Apr-08-04 04:56 PM |
#139 |
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I've had difficulty finding information on such cases |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:44 PM |
#151 |
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Here are several broad categories |
dsc |
Apr-08-04 08:49 PM |
#171 |
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*sigh* |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:56 PM |
#140 |
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The key here is "to ME" |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 07:26 PM |
#168 |
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Those are not conditions for life. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 04:25 PM |
#120 |
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It's mind-boggling |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:29 PM |
#121 |
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Medically, yes |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:39 PM |
#127 |
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I Do Have A Problem Here |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 04:31 PM |
#123 |
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I do not define "life" as such. |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:37 PM |
#125 |
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How So? |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 04:24 PM |
#117 |
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Good question |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:43 PM |
#131 |
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I Think It Clears Up THAT Question |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 04:56 PM |
#141 |
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Speaking of a definition of life drawn from medicine |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:05 PM |
#144 |
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Direct Question. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 04:38 PM |
#126 |
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I fail to see a distinction between a womb and an incubator |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:46 PM |
#132 |
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You didn't answer my question. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 04:49 PM |
#135 |
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You misread my post |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:55 PM |
#138 |
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I didn't think you answered earlier either |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:59 PM |
#143 |
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What do you mean? |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:19 PM |
#147 |
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Referring to your response |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 05:27 PM |
#149 |
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Yes. |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:42 PM |
#150 |
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I'd be happy to |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 05:54 PM |
#154 |
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Go ahead and PM me when you get a chance |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:55 PM |
#155 |
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A few more questions |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 09:48 PM |
#172 |
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you complain that I call you a eugenecist, which I didn't, |
dsc |
Apr-08-04 04:53 PM |
#137 |
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Once again |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:58 PM |
#142 |
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The whole premise of permitting abortion |
dsc |
Apr-08-04 05:08 PM |
#145 |
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That is not my premise |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:20 PM |
#148 |
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I will give you kudos for intellectual honesty |
dsc |
Apr-09-04 09:40 AM |
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I guess you get points for consistency |
dsc |
Apr-08-04 10:50 AM |
#84 |
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IQ is completely irrelavant to the discussion at hand |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:10 PM |
#111 |
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You do realize that |
dsc |
Apr-08-04 04:25 PM |
#119 |
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That's an attitude I thought I only saw |
Muddleoftheroad |
Apr-08-04 12:19 PM |
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Ad hominem attacks and assertions, oh my! |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 03:52 PM |
#106 |
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If it is alive , how come it is not born naturally at five months instead |
Marianne |
Apr-08-04 06:23 PM |
#161 |
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The "logic" of your argument is not compelling. |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:23 PM |
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I think you misread me. |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 08:18 AM |
#78 |
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Your Proof Demonstrates No Such Thing. |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 01:03 PM |
#101 |
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there is no "being" inside the mother. |
Marianne |
Apr-08-04 06:13 PM |
#160 |
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Please clarify. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 10:02 PM |
#173 |
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I Think I Detect a Flaw In Your Logic |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 12:55 PM |
#100 |
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You may assert that, if and only if, |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 03:43 PM |
#103 |
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Life and Death |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 04:14 PM |
#113 |
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It is a possibility, but it is an essential one |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 04:31 PM |
#124 |
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Exactly, I Think |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 04:49 PM |
#136 |
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that was a wonderful presentation- |
Marianne |
Apr-08-04 06:07 PM |
#159 |
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If the right was truely 'pro-life' roe would be overturned |
goddess40 |
Apr-08-04 02:14 PM |
#102 |
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You are mistaken about the Supreme Court |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 03:50 PM |
#105 |
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5 gave bush the white house isn't that proof enough? |
goddess40 |
Apr-08-04 05:46 PM |
#152 |
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Not really. |
kiahzero |
Apr-08-04 05:51 PM |
#153 |
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Why is it.. |
Heyo |
Apr-08-04 03:54 PM |
#107 |
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The right wing has defined a medical procedure as baby-killing. |
Cleita |
Apr-07-04 08:33 PM |
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I agree. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 08:34 PM |
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Would It Not Be Just As Accurate |
outinforce |
Apr-09-04 09:53 AM |
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I think there are a lot more Pro-Choice Repugs then Pro-life Dems. |
fearnobush |
Apr-07-04 08:26 PM |
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Sorry. Not even close to true. |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 09:53 PM |
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Pro life Democrats just can't get elected |
Warpy |
Apr-07-04 08:44 PM |
#7 |
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Yeah those conservative bastards Dennis Kucinich |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:02 PM |
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The utter disrespect towards pro lifers on this board |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:30 PM |
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That's very interesting information. Thank you. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 09:39 PM |
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You are welcome |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:46 PM |
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That's for sure. It's really depressing to feel ostracized.. |
lostnfound |
Apr-07-04 11:15 PM |
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poll after poll show most Americans lean pro-choice |
rumguy |
Apr-07-04 09:48 PM |
#17 |
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But are not 100% for abortion in all cases |
Muddleoftheroad |
Apr-07-04 09:51 PM |
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see post 12 |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:55 PM |
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Ok, so we'll use those numbers. |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:03 PM |
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But the party doesn't "lean" pro-choice. |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:01 PM |
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it's a reaction to the extremism of the right |
rumguy |
Apr-07-04 10:26 PM |
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Yep -it's the gun argument in reverse... and they're winning this one. |
Frodo |
Apr-07-04 10:39 PM |
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You make excellent points here. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:51 PM |
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This thread hits close to home for me. |
Just Me Here |
Apr-07-04 10:48 PM |
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Damnit, Sam, why the hell didn't you return my call yesterday? |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 10:59 PM |
#46 |
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Hmmm... |
Just Me Here |
Apr-07-04 11:24 PM |
#53 |
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I vote for Democrats despite being pro life |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 11:11 PM |
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Bush Republicans claim to be pro-life |
DaveSZ |
Apr-07-04 11:36 PM |
#55 |
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. |
DaveSZ |
Apr-07-04 11:42 PM |
#56 |
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I agree with the basic concept of this thread though |
DaveSZ |
Apr-07-04 11:45 PM |
#58 |
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those would be some of the other issues I meant |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 11:46 PM |
#59 |
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I'm with dsc here |
BigThama |
Apr-07-04 11:44 PM |
#57 |
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Couple of things. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-07-04 11:53 PM |
#60 |
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On that first point... |
BigThama |
Apr-08-04 08:09 AM |
#74 |
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Yes, we got over 60 posts before any did any name-calling! |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 08:21 AM |
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Ugh. |
BigThama |
Apr-08-04 10:15 AM |
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But isn't the product of a rape still an innocent baby? |
kitkatrose |
Apr-08-04 12:51 PM |
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On the subject of avoiding unwanted pregnancies... |
Nobody |
Apr-08-04 10:15 PM |
#174 |
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Very sensible comments. This entire thread has been great. |
lostnfound |
Apr-09-04 08:05 AM |
#177 |
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Even Though You Don't Say This. |
outinforce |
Apr-09-04 01:21 PM |
#190 |
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My problem with Pro Life is the narrow focus |
Sunny_Sunshine |
Apr-08-04 11:51 AM |
#86 |
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And don't forget the Death Penalty! |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 12:19 PM |
#90 |
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I'm O-Neg, as well. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 12:39 PM |
#94 |
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I think pro-lifers have hijacked the term. |
dawn |
Apr-08-04 12:42 PM |
#95 |
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I am pro-life. |
chair094 |
Apr-08-04 05:14 PM |
#146 |
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Barking up the wrong tree... |
Just Me Here |
Apr-09-04 12:16 AM |
#175 |
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Well, what about the kids we kill in foreign wars? |
dawn |
Apr-08-04 12:19 PM |
#88 |
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True, but does that make their argument wrong? |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 12:51 PM |
#99 |
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I'm sorry. |
Just Me Here |
Apr-09-04 12:19 AM |
#176 |
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Please Allow Me.... |
outinforce |
Apr-08-04 03:49 PM |
#104 |
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I'm in that Jimmy Carter school of thought myself. |
MrSlayer |
Apr-07-04 11:55 PM |
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No simple reason the "majority" is allegedly lost |
ZombyWoof |
Apr-08-04 12:36 AM |
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Bravo! |
Susang |
Apr-08-04 12:57 AM |
#63 |
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and another thing |
ZombyWoof |
Apr-08-04 01:02 AM |
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Single defining issue? |
mulethree |
Apr-08-04 01:53 AM |
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A couple responses |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 05:47 AM |
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The short answer |
Lexingtonian |
Apr-08-04 06:28 AM |
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The problem with that theory is that... |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 07:39 AM |
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So there are that many people are so stupid |
JNelson6563 |
Apr-08-04 07:11 AM |
#68 |
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Just compare it to the number of people who... |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 07:42 AM |
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dumb |
gpandas |
Apr-08-04 04:16 PM |
#114 |
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Give an inch... |
LeahMira |
Apr-08-04 07:32 AM |
#69 |
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The slippery slope argument |
Muddleoftheroad |
Apr-08-04 08:02 AM |
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I don't see anyone here arguing to take away an inch. |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 08:12 AM |
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The Pro-Life movement is an arm of the GOP |
markus |
Apr-08-04 07:58 AM |
#72 |
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No it's not. |
BigThama |
Apr-08-04 08:12 AM |
#75 |
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Well... Yes and No. |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 08:17 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-08-04 12:22 PM |
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I'm probably going to be flamed, but...(long) |
dawn |
Apr-08-04 12:32 PM |
#92 |
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great post! (eom) |
apnu |
Apr-08-04 12:36 PM |
#93 |
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I am not advocating that Democrats abandon pro-choice |
southerngirlwriter |
Apr-08-04 12:43 PM |
#96 |
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Thank you |
skippysmom |
Apr-08-04 12:47 PM |
#97 |
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Democrats cannot allow themselves to be sucked in by wedge issues |
bigbillhaywood |
Apr-08-04 04:13 PM |
#112 |
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a sensible approach...play to your strengths |
noiretblu |
Apr-08-04 06:01 PM |
#157 |
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Thanks, it's been a while since anyone on DU accused my ideas of being |
bigbillhaywood |
Apr-08-04 06:05 PM |
#158 |
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Yes |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:22 PM |
#116 |
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The Democratic party... |
Q |
Apr-08-04 04:30 PM |
#122 |
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Except she didn't say to throw the issue away |
redqueen |
Apr-08-04 04:40 PM |
#128 |
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There's a difference between 'differing views'... |
Q |
Apr-08-04 06:30 PM |
#162 |
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Ummmmmm No. Not even close. |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 06:45 PM |
#163 |
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my only concern |
ulysses |
Apr-08-04 04:40 PM |
#129 |
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Hmmm. Then how do you explain...? |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 06:48 PM |
#164 |
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The One Thing Common Among Pro-Lifers |
voted4wellstone |
Apr-08-04 06:48 PM |
#165 |
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Riiiight. |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 07:25 PM |
#167 |
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What? Like Prenatal And Post-Natal Care |
voted4wellstone |
Apr-08-04 08:32 PM |
#169 |
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No. And I think you know it. |
Frodo |
Apr-08-04 08:41 PM |
#170 |
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I wish the dems could drop the abortion issue. I really don't |
okieinpain |
Apr-09-04 09:13 AM |
#180 |
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"think about how easy it is to say you're for the unborn" |
outinforce |
Apr-09-04 09:28 AM |
#182 |
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If somebody votes Republican on this one issue.... |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-09-04 09:44 AM |
#184 |
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Fair Enough |
outinforce |
Apr-09-04 09:56 AM |
#186 |
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If Dems were as consistent about war as they are about choice.. |
lostnfound |
Apr-09-04 11:26 AM |
#189 |
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