TahitiNut
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Wed Aug-06-03 11:39 AM
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This is where the great divide in monetary wealth ("capital") shows itself most clearly, IMHO. The difference between S&P500 (and more) corporations and "business owners" is a bit like the difference between racehorses and greyhounds on the same track ... both carrying jockeys and carrying varying handicap weights. What is a "business owner" today? Someone who's invested their life savings and borrowed money in a franchise? The "vigorish" such a person usually pays to the global corporation, on top of overheads, is enormous compared to their labor "costs". At the same time, various "regulatory" overheads just aren't proportiional to the size of the business. Many "business owners" are merely individuals seeking to benefit from the differing treatment of a "corporation" and labor in today's economy. But the infrastructure's economic hurdles aren't scaled according to the size of these "businesses." The lobbying clout of multinational corporations dwarfs the lobbying power of those smaller businesses actually dealing in goods or services. Among the most major of these multinational corporations are those, like Enron, who deal primarily in derivatives rather than products or services to end consumers. When the system attracts such parasites on the system itself, it's an indication the system is sick, IMHO.
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| -Did Dean "misspeak" about Social Security in his response to Kucinich? |
kentuck |
Aug-06-03 05:47 AM |
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yes I remmeber him saying it |
Cheswick |
Aug-06-03 05:49 AM |
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Howard "tap dancing" Dean. On MTP said he'd consider raising it. |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-06-03 05:59 AM |
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He tried to make a fool out of Dennis.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-06-03 06:44 AM |
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True, on both counts. |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-06-03 06:59 AM |
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No, at the end of his answer he said he wouldn't take it back to 65. |
brigadoon |
Aug-06-03 07:48 AM |
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The Republicans were already having a hay-day with this one |
Tinoire |
Aug-06-03 09:32 AM |
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Youch! |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Aug-06-03 12:51 PM |
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Early in the 90s... |
w13rd0 |
Aug-06-03 07:15 AM |
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Thanks w13rd0 ! |
kentuck |
Aug-06-03 07:23 AM |
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No "clarification" of his "misspeaking" there. |
revcarol |
Aug-06-03 07:31 AM |
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The quote you are referring to... |
w13rd0 |
Aug-06-03 08:09 AM |
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The quote is from the 90s? Or last month? |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 08:18 AM |
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Dennis said Dean WANTS to raise the age limit and cut benefits. |
killbotfactory |
Aug-06-03 09:16 AM |
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That's not what Dean said. |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 09:23 AM |
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That is what he said. |
killbotfactory |
Aug-06-03 09:30 AM |
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Can you show me in the transcript where he says "last resort"? |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 12:11 PM |
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The quote you are referrencing... |
w13rd0 |
Aug-06-03 08:13 AM |
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more dupin |
w13rd0 |
Aug-06-03 08:19 AM |
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dupe |
w13rd0 |
Aug-06-03 08:26 AM |
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He did not deny that he supported raising it to 68 |
UnapologeticLiberal |
Aug-06-03 10:18 PM |
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Raising retirement age is ONLY solution, - should be at 70 by 2043 |
papau |
Aug-06-03 07:19 AM |
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So why did he DENY it last night? |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 08:09 AM |
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That's what the DLC says |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Aug-06-03 08:36 AM |
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I think both may be necessary |
UnapologeticLiberal |
Aug-06-03 10:24 PM |
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But there are no JOBS, dammit! |
Mairead |
Aug-06-03 08:51 AM |
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It's not really so much a question of "jobs" ... |
TahitiNut |
Aug-06-03 09:33 AM |
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Boy you would think that if a business owner could |
Yupster |
Aug-06-03 11:00 AM |
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"Would" or "could"? |
TahitiNut |
Aug-06-03 11:39 AM |
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Let's see. |
stickdog |
Aug-06-03 12:03 PM |
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I (almost fully) agree. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-06-03 08:55 AM |
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we could simply mandate that free-market corporations |
Terwilliger |
Aug-06-03 11:18 AM |
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A "fiscal timebomb" whose fuse is shortened with every taxcut... |
Junkdrawer |
Aug-06-03 12:11 PM |
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I see it beginning to implode in 2014. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-06-03 01:09 PM |
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We must get an anti-age discrimination law with some teeth, |
shimmergal |
Aug-06-03 10:20 AM |
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I agree |
UnapologeticLiberal |
Aug-06-03 10:20 PM |
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It's not "misspeaking" if he meant to say it. |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 08:12 AM |
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Please, people - wake up to the REAL Dean! |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-06-03 08:34 AM |
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just another politician |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Aug-06-03 08:50 AM |
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When you lecture us about honesty |
dsc |
Aug-06-03 01:31 PM |
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In 1995, he said he wanted to raise the age to 70. |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 09:58 PM |
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Dean is playing it smart |
indigo32 |
Aug-06-03 08:38 AM |
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Dean painted it like he absolutely wouldn't. |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 08:46 AM |
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I heard Dean say this again on Russert - LAST MONTH |
Tinoire |
Aug-06-03 09:20 AM |
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He said he would leave open the option of raising the age one year. |
stickdog |
Aug-06-03 12:06 PM |
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How would DK like it if Dean pulled the same crap on him |
Pastiche423 |
Aug-06-03 12:48 PM |
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Don't forget about his support for a Flag Burning amendment |
dansolo |
Aug-06-03 10:15 PM |
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It depends on what the definition of "entertain" is... |
kentuck |
Aug-06-03 08:39 AM |
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It doesn't really matter, for me. |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 08:49 AM |
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facts are stubborn this |
dsc |
Aug-06-03 01:36 PM |
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entertain has a pretty standard meaning |
dsc |
Aug-06-03 01:34 PM |
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Per DK- Enough money in SS for solvency until 2041 |
Tinoire |
Aug-06-03 09:05 AM |
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Social security is solvent to 2041 because |
Yupster |
Aug-06-03 11:12 AM |
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ummm |
samurai_jack |
Aug-06-03 09:25 AM |
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Exactly. |
tjdee |
Aug-06-03 09:27 AM |
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Here's the entire quote where he said he would entertain raising it |
Tinoire |
Aug-06-03 09:26 AM |
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So where does he say he wants to cut benefits and raise the age limit? |
killbotfactory |
Aug-06-03 10:27 AM |
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Dean supporter here |
Amerikav60 |
Aug-06-03 09:31 AM |
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Aug-06-03 09:34 AM |
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At what point was that again? |
killbotfactory |
Aug-06-03 10:26 AM |
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Yes, several years ago... |
w13rd0 |
Aug-06-03 11:19 AM |
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Lets see the links about what Dean said please... |
gully |
Aug-06-03 11:02 AM |
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He didn't lie, but it will look waffley. Not from 1995, but MTP (nt) |
jpgray |
Aug-06-03 11:03 AM |
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First TR & then DK played "Gotcha" with him. |
stickdog |
Aug-06-03 12:10 PM |
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yeah, bullsh!+ |
samurai_jack |
Aug-06-03 12:19 PM |
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Oh I agree, it can and will be pulled on every candidate (nt) |
jpgray |
Aug-06-03 01:55 PM |
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How's about a little perspective here... |
Nazgul35 |
Aug-06-03 11:27 AM |
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Dennis doesn't know the Constitution |
dansolo |
Aug-06-03 10:21 PM |
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With all the attention on Dean, the going-to-war votes have been forgotten |
madfloridian |
Aug-06-03 12:25 PM |
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Get used to it |
sangha |
Aug-06-03 01:40 PM |
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I'm looking at this from a slightly different angle |
Quahog |
Aug-06-03 12:33 PM |
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Aug-06-03 01:53 PM |
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That's SO constructive |
Quahog |
Aug-06-03 02:04 PM |
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