| 97. You need to read a dictionary, then... |
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if I ever use it as an insult (which is rarely, because I generally prefer to excoriate the objects of my derision at great and detailed length) the meaning I intend is "spiteful, malicious, harsh, vile, unpleasant, nasty" et cetera. Use of a gender-specific term with such connotations is NOT sexist; however, I'd be perfectly happy to substitue such perfectly good and sadly under-used words as "shrew" and "harpy" in the future. Would that make you happy?
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| -Should the term "bitch" be forbidden on DU in certain circumstances? |
Skinner |
Apr-07-04 08:24 AM |
#0 |
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Sure |
Loonman |
Apr-07-04 08:28 AM |
#1 |
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So who won the pool for how many threads the bitch thread would go |
Gman |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#2 |
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And again... |
Katarina |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#3 |
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I would ASK people not to do it. I guess I get hung up on FORBID |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#4 |
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Torn |
bryant69 |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#5 |
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Randi Rhodes said she would like to "bitch slap" Condi Rice.... |
kentuck |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#6 |
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I'm a Female and I say NO NO NO NO... |
xultar |
Apr-07-04 08:31 AM |
#7 |
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Another female says NO.... |
SiobhanClancy |
Apr-07-04 08:45 AM |
#14 |
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and this one says yes |
ant |
Apr-07-04 08:58 AM |
#31 |
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It also lets them know that all women want it banned. That is what |
xultar |
Apr-07-04 09:38 AM |
#63 |
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heh |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:50 AM |
#76 |
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No (n/t) |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 08:34 AM |
#8 |
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I don't care - it's not on the top of my list |
molly |
Apr-07-04 08:35 AM |
#9 |
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Nooo. Bitch can now be said over the airwaves.. But you want.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 08:37 AM |
#10 |
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so can nigger n/t |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 12:37 PM |
#162 |
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my GAWD how long is this going to go on? |
matcom |
Apr-07-04 08:40 AM |
#11 |
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Current poll, 85% say No to banning the use of bitch. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 08:42 AM |
#12 |
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the poll is going to be misused in the future to declare the use of |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:43 AM |
#13 |
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I think we should ban the word "bearfartinthewoods" |
kentuck |
Apr-07-04 08:47 AM |
#16 |
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if i changed my name it would be unfair to all those who |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:51 AM |
#21 |
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Ouch (nt). |
JohnLocke |
Apr-07-04 12:03 PM |
#153 |
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So...speaking as a fag asshole who uses the word bitch |
DemLikr |
Apr-07-04 08:50 AM |
#19 |
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send asscroft my regrets. i like my current job but |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:57 AM |
#29 |
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Let's see. "Bitch" is offensive, but "asshole" isn't? |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 08:51 AM |
#22 |
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yup |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:55 AM |
#26 |
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Bitch is gender specific to a dog. There are no dogs on DU. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:11 AM |
#45 |
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it IS gender specific in this case |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:18 AM |
#46 |
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An adjective to describe a female trait!!! Shocking! I tell ya... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:32 AM |
#59 |
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that's not what I said at all |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:40 AM |
#65 |
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well put. |
spooky3 |
Apr-07-04 12:18 PM |
#158 |
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it's so fucking amazing how many here still don't get it |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:20 PM |
#190 |
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to be truthful, i have seen men called bitches but only here |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:49 AM |
#75 |
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Thank you. That about sums up my feelings too. |
kitkatrose |
Apr-07-04 08:52 AM |
#23 |
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Thank you |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:00 AM |
#32 |
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You're welcome. |
kitkatrose |
Apr-07-04 10:43 AM |
#108 |
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I did agree with you |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#38 |
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don't take the insensitivity of the most vocal as a universal trait. |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:25 AM |
#53 |
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after some deliberation and consultation last night |
Magic Rat |
Apr-07-04 08:46 AM |
#15 |
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Has this Poll been set up to where |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 08:47 AM |
#17 |
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Yes, it think that's what the vote confirmation feature is for. n/t |
kitkatrose |
Apr-07-04 08:53 AM |
#25 |
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What's the point? |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 08:49 AM |
#18 |
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NO. |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-07-04 08:50 AM |
#20 |
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Signifier and signified |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 08:52 AM |
#24 |
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What about the signifier and the signified? |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 10:53 AM |
#114 |
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Um, didn' t I explicity state... |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 11:11 AM |
#128 |
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So it's all about |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:16 AM |
#133 |
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Well since we're addressing sexism on DU |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 11:21 AM |
#139 |
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Cool. |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:28 AM |
#149 |
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They were correct as used |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 01:43 PM |
#174 |
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I disagree |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 03:41 PM |
#199 |
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They were |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 03:50 PM |
#205 |
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Yes, I suppose everone can |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 04:03 PM |
#207 |
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Linguistic theorists since Benveniste.... |
gottaB |
Apr-07-04 02:44 PM |
#181 |
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Actually I just reject |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 03:39 PM |
#197 |
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Have you told Margaret Cho? |
democracyindanger |
Apr-07-04 12:28 PM |
#161 |
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I'll say it again |
ant |
Apr-07-04 08:56 AM |
#27 |
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Our societies hatred of women is so ingrained |
Sunny_Sunshine |
Apr-07-04 10:08 AM |
#89 |
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again, you put it very well. |
spooky3 |
Apr-07-04 12:20 PM |
#159 |
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I'm seeing that and it's very sad |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:22 PM |
#191 |
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I am simply astonished |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 08:56 AM |
#28 |
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Please don't do that. (nt) |
Skinner |
Apr-07-04 09:00 AM |
#33 |
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You totally misread my point |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#40 |
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It doesn't even take "freepers" |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 09:28 AM |
#54 |
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join the club |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:03 AM |
#34 |
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that actually wasn't my point |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:09 AM |
#44 |
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I thought there weren't any rules |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:20 AM |
#49 |
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I am 99% sure that |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:22 AM |
#50 |
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you missed my point then |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:30 AM |
#56 |
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This has been my point from the beginning |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:23 AM |
#52 |
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so this really isn't about censorship at all |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:36 AM |
#61 |
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It's about people wanting to be able... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:44 AM |
#69 |
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Protecting their supply |
Eloriel |
Apr-07-04 03:43 PM |
#201 |
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ciao |
drfemoe |
Apr-07-04 05:03 PM |
#213 |
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there's a bit of insanity going on in here |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 05:15 PM |
#215 |
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I think shorthands for racist slurs should be forbidden |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 10:58 AM |
#116 |
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I would never be using the word even in short-hand... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:04 AM |
#121 |
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Yes, how good. |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:18 AM |
#135 |
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Exactly |
cally |
Apr-07-04 11:28 AM |
#148 |
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check agin |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:28 AM |
#55 |
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oh, so it's already covered |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:31 AM |
#57 |
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i don't think it has been established that the use you refer to |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:45 AM |
#70 |
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This is all so sad |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:48 AM |
#74 |
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if that's the case... |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:56 AM |
#83 |
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That's the part that makes me angry and sad |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:03 AM |
#88 |
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eh, this is just a board |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:09 AM |
#90 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-04 10:52 AM |
#113 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-04 10:55 AM |
#115 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-04 11:06 AM |
#124 |
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Find one post where I dropped the "n" bomb... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:10 AM |
#126 |
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I don't see rampant sexism. Are people supposed to ignore.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:21 AM |
#140 |
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And none of those differences... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:23 AM |
#143 |
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wanna bet? |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 12:57 PM |
#164 |
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Well, no. Skinner made explicit and specific allowance for |
Eloriel |
Apr-07-04 03:50 PM |
#204 |
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People post anti-religious words like "goddam" everyday... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:11 AM |
#129 |
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Ok, this is not meant to be a snarky question... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:14 AM |
#131 |
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"Goddamn" is cursing God.... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:19 AM |
#136 |
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I always thought... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:21 AM |
#141 |
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Even if your interpretation is the correct one, according to God.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:24 AM |
#144 |
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Yes, but not everyone on DU... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:27 AM |
#147 |
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You need to provide a verse for that |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 03:33 PM |
#194 |
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It's tolerance. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 09:08 AM |
#41 |
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NO. |
buddhamama |
Apr-07-04 08:57 AM |
#30 |
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A lesson from Huey Long |
derby378 |
Apr-07-04 09:05 AM |
#35 |
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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!! |
truebrit71 |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#36 |
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NO.....it is the best word to refer to the behavior/attitude of some |
DemEx_pat |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#37 |
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I am Kathy's BITCH and damn proud of it. |
woofless |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#39 |
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that's not the sort of use... |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:09 AM |
#43 |
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ridiculous |
mopinko |
Apr-07-04 09:09 AM |
#42 |
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This whole discussion is indicative of why the left keeps splintering |
WyoMee |
Apr-07-04 09:18 AM |
#47 |
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I am incredibly disappointed that this is being put to a vote |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:19 AM |
#48 |
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Even a socalled "sexist insult" can be arbitrary.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:34 AM |
#60 |
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Would you tell that... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:39 AM |
#64 |
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Oh, give me a break, Velma. I'm black and a bitch. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:40 AM |
#66 |
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You didn't answer the question... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:42 AM |
#67 |
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Psst.. Thelma.. black people get called the N word a lot.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:44 AM |
#68 |
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It's Velma...and yes... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:45 AM |
#71 |
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This thread has no point, IMHO... I guess as a black person.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:48 AM |
#73 |
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Actually there is a point...and it's unfortunate... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
#79 |
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Let us miss it if we want to. It's no skin off your teeth... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:53 AM |
#81 |
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One would also be "gracious and mature"... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:01 AM |
#86 |
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If I direct it at you.. And you find it offensive, I certainly .. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:03 AM |
#120 |
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Is there a derogatory term... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:07 AM |
#125 |
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No. But if someone called me ugly or stupid I wouldn't like it |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:15 AM |
#132 |
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It isn't just a gender specific word... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:20 AM |
#137 |
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I don't care if it is a gender specific insult. We do have.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:22 AM |
#142 |
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I can explain it to you... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:25 AM |
#145 |
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for clarity's sake |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:20 PM |
#169 |
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gee...i wonder what this country would be like if we took your |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:17 PM |
#168 |
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one of the first things my father taught me was not to be hurtful |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:14 PM |
#167 |
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that's not the issue |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:02 AM |
#87 |
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We insult third parties everyday on DU. Now we have to have.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:05 AM |
#122 |
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we don't insult them in racist or... |
ant |
Apr-07-04 11:11 AM |
#127 |
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But, bitch isn't racist or homophobic, so?? Your point? |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:16 AM |
#134 |
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are you serious? |
ant |
Apr-07-04 11:20 AM |
#138 |
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If I refer to God in the masculine sense, I guess that's sexist too... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:29 AM |
#150 |
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no, only gender specific |
ant |
Apr-07-04 01:05 PM |
#166 |
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it doesn't have only one meaning |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:59 AM |
#85 |
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Yea, Democracy Stinks |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 09:36 AM |
#62 |
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it DOES stink |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:28 AM |
#98 |
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Are you saying women are minorities? |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 10:38 AM |
#103 |
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Frankly, yes...all men in the US are the majority because... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:39 AM |
#104 |
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Nope |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 10:45 AM |
#109 |
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So objectifcation is OK, so long as you're in the group doing it? |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 04:08 PM |
#208 |
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Huh? |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 04:23 PM |
#210 |
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I may have made a mistaken assumption - you tell me |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 04:57 PM |
#212 |
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I wasn't saying that but I do think they are |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:47 AM |
#112 |
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in this case, the PEOPLE, both male and female |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:25 PM |
#170 |
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'cause everyone knows feminists are sexless |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:32 AM |
#99 |
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amazing how the wording matters |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:40 AM |
#105 |
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But he didn't...did he? |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:43 AM |
#107 |
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You talk and act out of both sides of your mouth |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 10:42 AM |
#106 |
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You still haven't listened to a word I've said... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:46 AM |
#110 |
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Use as an insult is not necessarily sexist... |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
#78 |
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yes, it is |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:22 AM |
#94 |
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You need to read a dictionary, then... |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-04 10:27 AM |
#97 |
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a dictionary? |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:36 AM |
#102 |
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Perhaps you should get a BETTER dictionary, then. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-04 10:46 AM |
#111 |
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that's funny |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:59 AM |
#118 |
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Thanks. I posted the OED definition yesterday |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:06 AM |
#123 |
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it doesn't seem to matter how many definitions are produced. |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:52 PM |
#177 |
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that's what's really bothering me |
ant |
Apr-07-04 02:36 PM |
#180 |
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find me a dictionary in which the female gender doesn't surface |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:41 PM |
#173 |
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Agree completely, Velma. |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 09:54 AM |
#82 |
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Why they can't just step up and enforce that rule the way they enforce the |
Scout |
Apr-07-04 10:24 AM |
#96 |
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My elaboration on No |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Apr-07-04 09:23 AM |
#51 |
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Thanks |
WyoMee |
Apr-07-04 09:46 AM |
#72 |
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Well said. I largely agree. |
TahitiNut |
Apr-07-04 10:17 AM |
#91 |
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reverse sexism |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:20 AM |
#93 |
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gender specific vs. sexist |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:19 AM |
#92 |
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A word of some nuance |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Apr-07-04 01:46 PM |
#175 |
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I never requested a ban on the word... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 01:55 PM |
#178 |
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you can say that again |
ant |
Apr-07-04 02:52 PM |
#183 |
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Good Grief! |
dmr |
Apr-07-04 09:32 AM |
#58 |
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Why are people unable to follow simple instructions? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
#77 |
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It shouldn't be allowed in topic titles |
gottaB |
Apr-07-04 09:52 AM |
#80 |
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Epithets make a poor substitute for reasoned criticism, and NO!!! |
slackmaster |
Apr-07-04 09:57 AM |
#84 |
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Should the term "hysteria" be banned as sexist?? |
TahitiNut |
Apr-07-04 10:23 AM |
#95 |
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No, but calling |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:34 AM |
#100 |
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So, Velma, is it OK to call someone an "Hysterical Male?" |
DemLikr |
Apr-07-04 10:59 AM |
#117 |
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you know what would be even better? |
ant |
Apr-07-04 11:02 AM |
#119 |
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NO ~ to Skinner's question and no to banning hysteria |
maddezmom |
Apr-07-04 10:35 AM |
#101 |
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I think all words should be used here |
cally |
Apr-07-04 11:12 AM |
#130 |
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I love you Cally. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:26 AM |
#146 |
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I love you both Cally & Kahuna |
Desertrose |
Apr-07-04 12:58 PM |
#165 |
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have you ever heard of the civil rights movement or the women's |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 03:16 PM |
#188 |
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self deleted |
Desertrose |
Apr-07-04 03:53 PM |
#206 |
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There Is No Need For The Usage |
The Magistrate |
Apr-07-04 12:00 PM |
#151 |
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Wow...thanks |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 12:01 PM |
#152 |
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Velma, you changed my opinion on this issue |
DoubleDigitIQ |
Apr-07-04 02:28 PM |
#179 |
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Then I ask you to no longer use the word "bastard". |
DrWeird |
Apr-07-04 12:06 PM |
#154 |
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Being One Myself, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Apr-07-04 12:13 PM |
#156 |
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Yeah, cause everyone knows being a woman... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 12:15 PM |
#157 |
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Life Is Suffering, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Apr-07-04 12:27 PM |
#160 |
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No. |
Triple H |
Apr-07-04 12:13 PM |
#155 |
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Yes, especially bitch-slapping. |
Anj |
Apr-07-04 12:40 PM |
#163 |
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thread's filling up. smell a lockdown coming n/t |
KleverKittie |
Apr-07-04 01:31 PM |
#171 |
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TROUBLES IN PARADOX? |
jus_the_facts |
Apr-07-04 01:31 PM |
#172 |
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I'm female ... and I say NO |
BattyDem |
Apr-07-04 01:51 PM |
#176 |
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I think the majority has stated NO, both in polls and posts. eom |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 02:47 PM |
#182 |
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Yes...and if the majority decided to jump off a cliff... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:04 PM |
#184 |
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Really, when? |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 03:06 PM |
#185 |
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*snort* |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:09 PM |
#186 |
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Was it the graphic or the smart assnes? Just wondering. eom |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 03:10 PM |
#187 |
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I thinkit was the image in my head... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:27 PM |
#193 |
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Yeah, the good ol' Hammurderer always gets them.........eom |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 03:36 PM |
#195 |
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if the will of the majority was imposed in the 60s, blacks wouldn't |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:18 PM |
#189 |
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Well the majority here aren't ignorant right wing racists. So I'll respect |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 04:40 PM |
#211 |
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right-wing racists use the word "bitch" as a sexist SLUR |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 05:16 PM |
#216 |
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RW idiots use the word "liberal" as a slur, too |
democracyindanger |
Apr-07-04 05:19 PM |
#217 |
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YES.....you've read all my posts in the previous threads, Skinner |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:25 PM |
#192 |
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Yeah... |
dolo amber |
Apr-07-04 03:38 PM |
#196 |
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oh yeah....the majority isn't always right |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:40 PM |
#198 |
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Right or wrong |
dolo amber |
Apr-07-04 03:47 PM |
#202 |
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It's very simple... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:48 PM |
#203 |
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Difference between a republic and a democracy dolo_amber... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:41 PM |
#200 |
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no |
gpandas |
Apr-07-04 04:11 PM |
#209 |
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Name removed |
Apr-07-04 05:07 PM |
#214 |
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I'm locking this. |
Skinner |
Apr-07-04 05:20 PM |
#218 |
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