| 70. i don't think it has been established that the use you refer to |
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is sexist, believe it or not. and it certainly isn't enforced.
that's why this has been such an ongoing dispute. in theory it should not be allowed yet it happens all the time because the un-ambiguousness nature is not acknowledged.
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| -Should the term "bitch" be forbidden on DU in certain circumstances? |
Skinner |
Apr-07-04 08:24 AM |
#0 |
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Sure |
Loonman |
Apr-07-04 08:28 AM |
#1 |
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So who won the pool for how many threads the bitch thread would go |
Gman |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#2 |
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And again... |
Katarina |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#3 |
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I would ASK people not to do it. I guess I get hung up on FORBID |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#4 |
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Torn |
bryant69 |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#5 |
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Randi Rhodes said she would like to "bitch slap" Condi Rice.... |
kentuck |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
#6 |
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I'm a Female and I say NO NO NO NO... |
xultar |
Apr-07-04 08:31 AM |
#7 |
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Another female says NO.... |
SiobhanClancy |
Apr-07-04 08:45 AM |
#14 |
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and this one says yes |
ant |
Apr-07-04 08:58 AM |
#31 |
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It also lets them know that all women want it banned. That is what |
xultar |
Apr-07-04 09:38 AM |
#63 |
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heh |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:50 AM |
#76 |
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No (n/t) |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 08:34 AM |
#8 |
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I don't care - it's not on the top of my list |
molly |
Apr-07-04 08:35 AM |
#9 |
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Nooo. Bitch can now be said over the airwaves.. But you want.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 08:37 AM |
#10 |
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so can nigger n/t |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 12:37 PM |
#162 |
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my GAWD how long is this going to go on? |
matcom |
Apr-07-04 08:40 AM |
#11 |
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Current poll, 85% say No to banning the use of bitch. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 08:42 AM |
#12 |
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the poll is going to be misused in the future to declare the use of |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:43 AM |
#13 |
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I think we should ban the word "bearfartinthewoods" |
kentuck |
Apr-07-04 08:47 AM |
#16 |
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if i changed my name it would be unfair to all those who |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:51 AM |
#21 |
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Ouch (nt). |
JohnLocke |
Apr-07-04 12:03 PM |
#153 |
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So...speaking as a fag asshole who uses the word bitch |
DemLikr |
Apr-07-04 08:50 AM |
#19 |
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send asscroft my regrets. i like my current job but |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:57 AM |
#29 |
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Let's see. "Bitch" is offensive, but "asshole" isn't? |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 08:51 AM |
#22 |
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yup |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:55 AM |
#26 |
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Bitch is gender specific to a dog. There are no dogs on DU. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:11 AM |
#45 |
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it IS gender specific in this case |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:18 AM |
#46 |
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An adjective to describe a female trait!!! Shocking! I tell ya... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:32 AM |
#59 |
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that's not what I said at all |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:40 AM |
#65 |
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well put. |
spooky3 |
Apr-07-04 12:18 PM |
#158 |
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it's so fucking amazing how many here still don't get it |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:20 PM |
#190 |
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to be truthful, i have seen men called bitches but only here |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:49 AM |
#75 |
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Thank you. That about sums up my feelings too. |
kitkatrose |
Apr-07-04 08:52 AM |
#23 |
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Thank you |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:00 AM |
#32 |
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You're welcome. |
kitkatrose |
Apr-07-04 10:43 AM |
#108 |
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I did agree with you |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#38 |
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don't take the insensitivity of the most vocal as a universal trait. |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:25 AM |
#53 |
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after some deliberation and consultation last night |
Magic Rat |
Apr-07-04 08:46 AM |
#15 |
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Has this Poll been set up to where |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 08:47 AM |
#17 |
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Yes, it think that's what the vote confirmation feature is for. n/t |
kitkatrose |
Apr-07-04 08:53 AM |
#25 |
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What's the point? |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 08:49 AM |
#18 |
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NO. |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-07-04 08:50 AM |
#20 |
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Signifier and signified |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 08:52 AM |
#24 |
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What about the signifier and the signified? |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 10:53 AM |
#114 |
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Um, didn' t I explicity state... |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 11:11 AM |
#128 |
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So it's all about |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:16 AM |
#133 |
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Well since we're addressing sexism on DU |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 11:21 AM |
#139 |
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Cool. |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:28 AM |
#149 |
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They were correct as used |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 01:43 PM |
#174 |
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I disagree |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 03:41 PM |
#199 |
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They were |
Monica_L |
Apr-07-04 03:50 PM |
#205 |
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Yes, I suppose everone can |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 04:03 PM |
#207 |
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Linguistic theorists since Benveniste.... |
gottaB |
Apr-07-04 02:44 PM |
#181 |
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Actually I just reject |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 03:39 PM |
#197 |
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Have you told Margaret Cho? |
democracyindanger |
Apr-07-04 12:28 PM |
#161 |
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I'll say it again |
ant |
Apr-07-04 08:56 AM |
#27 |
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Our societies hatred of women is so ingrained |
Sunny_Sunshine |
Apr-07-04 10:08 AM |
#89 |
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again, you put it very well. |
spooky3 |
Apr-07-04 12:20 PM |
#159 |
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I'm seeing that and it's very sad |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:22 PM |
#191 |
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I am simply astonished |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 08:56 AM |
#28 |
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Please don't do that. (nt) |
Skinner |
Apr-07-04 09:00 AM |
#33 |
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You totally misread my point |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#40 |
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It doesn't even take "freepers" |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 09:28 AM |
#54 |
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join the club |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:03 AM |
#34 |
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that actually wasn't my point |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:09 AM |
#44 |
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I thought there weren't any rules |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:20 AM |
#49 |
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I am 99% sure that |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:22 AM |
#50 |
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you missed my point then |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:30 AM |
#56 |
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This has been my point from the beginning |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:23 AM |
#52 |
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so this really isn't about censorship at all |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:36 AM |
#61 |
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It's about people wanting to be able... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:44 AM |
#69 |
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Protecting their supply |
Eloriel |
Apr-07-04 03:43 PM |
#201 |
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ciao |
drfemoe |
Apr-07-04 05:03 PM |
#213 |
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there's a bit of insanity going on in here |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 05:15 PM |
#215 |
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I think shorthands for racist slurs should be forbidden |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 10:58 AM |
#116 |
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I would never be using the word even in short-hand... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:04 AM |
#121 |
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Yes, how good. |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:18 AM |
#135 |
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Exactly |
cally |
Apr-07-04 11:28 AM |
#148 |
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check agin |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:28 AM |
#55 |
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oh, so it's already covered |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:31 AM |
#57 |
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i don't think it has been established that the use you refer to |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 09:45 AM |
#70 |
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This is all so sad |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:48 AM |
#74 |
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if that's the case... |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:56 AM |
#83 |
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That's the part that makes me angry and sad |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:03 AM |
#88 |
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eh, this is just a board |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:09 AM |
#90 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-04 10:52 AM |
#113 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-04 10:55 AM |
#115 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-04 11:06 AM |
#124 |
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Find one post where I dropped the "n" bomb... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:10 AM |
#126 |
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I don't see rampant sexism. Are people supposed to ignore.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:21 AM |
#140 |
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And none of those differences... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:23 AM |
#143 |
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wanna bet? |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 12:57 PM |
#164 |
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Well, no. Skinner made explicit and specific allowance for |
Eloriel |
Apr-07-04 03:50 PM |
#204 |
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People post anti-religious words like "goddam" everyday... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:11 AM |
#129 |
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Ok, this is not meant to be a snarky question... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:14 AM |
#131 |
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"Goddamn" is cursing God.... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:19 AM |
#136 |
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I always thought... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:21 AM |
#141 |
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Even if your interpretation is the correct one, according to God.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:24 AM |
#144 |
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Yes, but not everyone on DU... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:27 AM |
#147 |
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You need to provide a verse for that |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 03:33 PM |
#194 |
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It's tolerance. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 09:08 AM |
#41 |
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NO. |
buddhamama |
Apr-07-04 08:57 AM |
#30 |
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A lesson from Huey Long |
derby378 |
Apr-07-04 09:05 AM |
#35 |
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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!! |
truebrit71 |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#36 |
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NO.....it is the best word to refer to the behavior/attitude of some |
DemEx_pat |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#37 |
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I am Kathy's BITCH and damn proud of it. |
woofless |
Apr-07-04 09:07 AM |
#39 |
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that's not the sort of use... |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:09 AM |
#43 |
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ridiculous |
mopinko |
Apr-07-04 09:09 AM |
#42 |
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This whole discussion is indicative of why the left keeps splintering |
WyoMee |
Apr-07-04 09:18 AM |
#47 |
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I am incredibly disappointed that this is being put to a vote |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:19 AM |
#48 |
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Even a socalled "sexist insult" can be arbitrary.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:34 AM |
#60 |
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Would you tell that... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:39 AM |
#64 |
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Oh, give me a break, Velma. I'm black and a bitch. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:40 AM |
#66 |
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You didn't answer the question... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:42 AM |
#67 |
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Psst.. Thelma.. black people get called the N word a lot.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:44 AM |
#68 |
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It's Velma...and yes... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:45 AM |
#71 |
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This thread has no point, IMHO... I guess as a black person.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:48 AM |
#73 |
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Actually there is a point...and it's unfortunate... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
#79 |
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Let us miss it if we want to. It's no skin off your teeth... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 09:53 AM |
#81 |
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One would also be "gracious and mature"... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:01 AM |
#86 |
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If I direct it at you.. And you find it offensive, I certainly .. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:03 AM |
#120 |
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Is there a derogatory term... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:07 AM |
#125 |
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No. But if someone called me ugly or stupid I wouldn't like it |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:15 AM |
#132 |
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It isn't just a gender specific word... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:20 AM |
#137 |
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I don't care if it is a gender specific insult. We do have.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:22 AM |
#142 |
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I can explain it to you... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 11:25 AM |
#145 |
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for clarity's sake |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:20 PM |
#169 |
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gee...i wonder what this country would be like if we took your |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:17 PM |
#168 |
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one of the first things my father taught me was not to be hurtful |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:14 PM |
#167 |
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that's not the issue |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:02 AM |
#87 |
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We insult third parties everyday on DU. Now we have to have.. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:05 AM |
#122 |
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we don't insult them in racist or... |
ant |
Apr-07-04 11:11 AM |
#127 |
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But, bitch isn't racist or homophobic, so?? Your point? |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:16 AM |
#134 |
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are you serious? |
ant |
Apr-07-04 11:20 AM |
#138 |
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If I refer to God in the masculine sense, I guess that's sexist too... |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:29 AM |
#150 |
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no, only gender specific |
ant |
Apr-07-04 01:05 PM |
#166 |
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it doesn't have only one meaning |
ant |
Apr-07-04 09:59 AM |
#85 |
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Yea, Democracy Stinks |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 09:36 AM |
#62 |
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it DOES stink |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:28 AM |
#98 |
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Are you saying women are minorities? |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 10:38 AM |
#103 |
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Frankly, yes...all men in the US are the majority because... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:39 AM |
#104 |
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Nope |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 10:45 AM |
#109 |
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So objectifcation is OK, so long as you're in the group doing it? |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 04:08 PM |
#208 |
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Huh? |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 04:23 PM |
#210 |
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I may have made a mistaken assumption - you tell me |
kiahzero |
Apr-07-04 04:57 PM |
#212 |
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I wasn't saying that but I do think they are |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:47 AM |
#112 |
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in this case, the PEOPLE, both male and female |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:25 PM |
#170 |
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'cause everyone knows feminists are sexless |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:32 AM |
#99 |
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amazing how the wording matters |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:40 AM |
#105 |
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But he didn't...did he? |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:43 AM |
#107 |
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You talk and act out of both sides of your mouth |
TNOE |
Apr-07-04 10:42 AM |
#106 |
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You still haven't listened to a word I've said... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:46 AM |
#110 |
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Use as an insult is not necessarily sexist... |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
#78 |
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yes, it is |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:22 AM |
#94 |
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You need to read a dictionary, then... |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-04 10:27 AM |
#97 |
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a dictionary? |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:36 AM |
#102 |
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Perhaps you should get a BETTER dictionary, then. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Apr-07-04 10:46 AM |
#111 |
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that's funny |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:59 AM |
#118 |
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Thanks. I posted the OED definition yesterday |
tishaLA |
Apr-07-04 11:06 AM |
#123 |
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it doesn't seem to matter how many definitions are produced. |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:52 PM |
#177 |
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that's what's really bothering me |
ant |
Apr-07-04 02:36 PM |
#180 |
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find me a dictionary in which the female gender doesn't surface |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 01:41 PM |
#173 |
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Agree completely, Velma. |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 09:54 AM |
#82 |
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Why they can't just step up and enforce that rule the way they enforce the |
Scout |
Apr-07-04 10:24 AM |
#96 |
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My elaboration on No |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Apr-07-04 09:23 AM |
#51 |
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Thanks |
WyoMee |
Apr-07-04 09:46 AM |
#72 |
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Well said. I largely agree. |
TahitiNut |
Apr-07-04 10:17 AM |
#91 |
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reverse sexism |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:20 AM |
#93 |
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gender specific vs. sexist |
ant |
Apr-07-04 10:19 AM |
#92 |
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A word of some nuance |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Apr-07-04 01:46 PM |
#175 |
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I never requested a ban on the word... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 01:55 PM |
#178 |
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you can say that again |
ant |
Apr-07-04 02:52 PM |
#183 |
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Good Grief! |
dmr |
Apr-07-04 09:32 AM |
#58 |
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Why are people unable to follow simple instructions? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
#77 |
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It shouldn't be allowed in topic titles |
gottaB |
Apr-07-04 09:52 AM |
#80 |
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Epithets make a poor substitute for reasoned criticism, and NO!!! |
slackmaster |
Apr-07-04 09:57 AM |
#84 |
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Should the term "hysteria" be banned as sexist?? |
TahitiNut |
Apr-07-04 10:23 AM |
#95 |
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No, but calling |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:34 AM |
#100 |
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So, Velma, is it OK to call someone an "Hysterical Male?" |
DemLikr |
Apr-07-04 10:59 AM |
#117 |
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you know what would be even better? |
ant |
Apr-07-04 11:02 AM |
#119 |
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NO ~ to Skinner's question and no to banning hysteria |
maddezmom |
Apr-07-04 10:35 AM |
#101 |
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I think all words should be used here |
cally |
Apr-07-04 11:12 AM |
#130 |
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I love you Cally. |
Kahuna |
Apr-07-04 11:26 AM |
#146 |
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I love you both Cally & Kahuna |
Desertrose |
Apr-07-04 12:58 PM |
#165 |
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have you ever heard of the civil rights movement or the women's |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 03:16 PM |
#188 |
| -
self deleted |
Desertrose |
Apr-07-04 03:53 PM |
#206 |
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There Is No Need For The Usage |
The Magistrate |
Apr-07-04 12:00 PM |
#151 |
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Wow...thanks |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 12:01 PM |
#152 |
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Velma, you changed my opinion on this issue |
DoubleDigitIQ |
Apr-07-04 02:28 PM |
#179 |
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Then I ask you to no longer use the word "bastard". |
DrWeird |
Apr-07-04 12:06 PM |
#154 |
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Being One Myself, Doctor |
The Magistrate |
Apr-07-04 12:13 PM |
#156 |
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Yeah, cause everyone knows being a woman... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 12:15 PM |
#157 |
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Life Is Suffering, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Apr-07-04 12:27 PM |
#160 |
| -
No. |
Triple H |
Apr-07-04 12:13 PM |
#155 |
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Yes, especially bitch-slapping. |
Anj |
Apr-07-04 12:40 PM |
#163 |
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thread's filling up. smell a lockdown coming n/t |
KleverKittie |
Apr-07-04 01:31 PM |
#171 |
| -
TROUBLES IN PARADOX? |
jus_the_facts |
Apr-07-04 01:31 PM |
#172 |
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I'm female ... and I say NO |
BattyDem |
Apr-07-04 01:51 PM |
#176 |
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I think the majority has stated NO, both in polls and posts. eom |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 02:47 PM |
#182 |
| -
Yes...and if the majority decided to jump off a cliff... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:04 PM |
#184 |
| -
Really, when? |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 03:06 PM |
#185 |
| -
*snort* |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:09 PM |
#186 |
| -
Was it the graphic or the smart assnes? Just wondering. eom |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 03:10 PM |
#187 |
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I thinkit was the image in my head... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:27 PM |
#193 |
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Yeah, the good ol' Hammurderer always gets them.........eom |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 03:36 PM |
#195 |
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if the will of the majority was imposed in the 60s, blacks wouldn't |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:18 PM |
#189 |
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Well the majority here aren't ignorant right wing racists. So I'll respect |
SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN |
Apr-07-04 04:40 PM |
#211 |
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right-wing racists use the word "bitch" as a sexist SLUR |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 05:16 PM |
#216 |
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RW idiots use the word "liberal" as a slur, too |
democracyindanger |
Apr-07-04 05:19 PM |
#217 |
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YES.....you've read all my posts in the previous threads, Skinner |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:25 PM |
#192 |
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Yeah... |
dolo amber |
Apr-07-04 03:38 PM |
#196 |
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oh yeah....the majority isn't always right |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:40 PM |
#198 |
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Right or wrong |
dolo amber |
Apr-07-04 03:47 PM |
#202 |
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It's very simple... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:48 PM |
#203 |
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Difference between a republic and a democracy dolo_amber... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 03:41 PM |
#200 |
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no |
gpandas |
Apr-07-04 04:11 PM |
#209 |
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Name removed |
Apr-07-04 05:07 PM |
#214 |
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I'm locking this. |
Skinner |
Apr-07-04 05:20 PM |
#218 |
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