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Response to Reply #57
70. i don't think it has been established that the use you refer to
is sexist, believe it or not. and it certainly isn't enforced.

that's why this has been such an ongoing dispute. in theory it should not be allowed yet it happens all the time because the un-ambiguousness nature is not acknowledged.
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  -Should the term "bitch" be forbidden on DU in certain circumstances? Skinner  Apr-07-04 08:24 AM   #0 
  - Sure  Loonman   Apr-07-04 08:28 AM   #1 
  - So who won the pool for how many threads the bitch thread would go  Gman   Apr-07-04 08:30 AM   #2 
  - And again...  Katarina   Apr-07-04 08:30 AM   #3 
  - I would ASK people not to do it. I guess I get hung up on FORBID  nothingshocksmeanymore   Apr-07-04 08:30 AM   #4 
  - Torn  bryant69   Apr-07-04 08:30 AM   #5 
  - Randi Rhodes said she would like to "bitch slap" Condi Rice....  kentuck   Apr-07-04 08:30 AM   #6 
  - I'm a Female and I say NO NO NO NO...  xultar   Apr-07-04 08:31 AM   #7 
  - Another female says NO....  SiobhanClancy   Apr-07-04 08:45 AM   #14 
     - and this one says yes  ant   Apr-07-04 08:58 AM   #31 
        - It also lets them know that all women want it banned. That is what  xultar   Apr-07-04 09:38 AM   #63 
           - heh  ant   Apr-07-04 09:50 AM   #76 
  - No (n/t)  kiahzero   Apr-07-04 08:34 AM   #8 
  - I don't care - it's not on the top of my list  molly   Apr-07-04 08:35 AM   #9 
  - Nooo. Bitch can now be said over the airwaves.. But you want..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 08:37 AM   #10 
  - so can nigger n/t  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 12:37 PM   #162 
  - my GAWD how long is this going to go on?  matcom   Apr-07-04 08:40 AM   #11 
  - Current poll, 85% say No to banning the use of bitch.  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 08:42 AM   #12 
  - the poll is going to be misused in the future to declare the use of  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 08:43 AM   #13 
  - I think we should ban the word "bearfartinthewoods"  kentuck   Apr-07-04 08:47 AM   #16 
  - if i changed my name it would be unfair to all those who  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 08:51 AM   #21 
     - Ouch (nt).  JohnLocke   Apr-07-04 12:03 PM   #153 
  - So...speaking as a fag asshole who uses the word bitch  DemLikr   Apr-07-04 08:50 AM   #19 
  - send asscroft my regrets. i like my current job but  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 08:57 AM   #29 
  - Let's see. "Bitch" is offensive, but "asshole" isn't?  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 08:51 AM   #22 
  - yup  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 08:55 AM   #26 
     - Bitch is gender specific to a dog. There are no dogs on DU.  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:11 AM   #45 
        - it IS gender specific in this case  ant   Apr-07-04 09:18 AM   #46 
        - An adjective to describe a female trait!!! Shocking! I tell ya...  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:32 AM   #59 
           - that's not what I said at all  ant   Apr-07-04 09:40 AM   #65 
              - well put.  spooky3   Apr-07-04 12:18 PM   #158 
              - it's so fucking amazing how many here still don't get it  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 03:20 PM   #190 
        - to be truthful, i have seen men called bitches but only here  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 09:49 AM   #75 
  - Thank you. That about sums up my feelings too.  kitkatrose   Apr-07-04 08:52 AM   #23 
  - Thank you  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:00 AM   #32 
     - You're welcome.  kitkatrose   Apr-07-04 10:43 AM   #108 
  - I did agree with you  ant   Apr-07-04 09:07 AM   #38 
     - don't take the insensitivity of the most vocal as a universal trait.  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 09:25 AM   #53 
  - after some deliberation and consultation last night  Magic Rat   Apr-07-04 08:46 AM   #15 
  - Has this Poll been set up to where  TNOE   Apr-07-04 08:47 AM   #17 
  - Yes, it think that's what the vote confirmation feature is for. n/t  kitkatrose   Apr-07-04 08:53 AM   #25 
  - What's the point?  Kanary   Apr-07-04 08:49 AM   #18 
  - NO.  Bridget Burke   Apr-07-04 08:50 AM   #20 
  - Signifier and signified  Monica_L   Apr-07-04 08:52 AM   #24 
  - What about the signifier and the signified?  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 10:53 AM   #114 
  - Um, didn' t I explicity state...  Monica_L   Apr-07-04 11:11 AM   #128 
  - So it's all about  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 11:16 AM   #133 
     - Well since we're addressing sexism on DU  Monica_L   Apr-07-04 11:21 AM   #139 
        - Cool.  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 11:28 AM   #149 
           - They were correct as used  Monica_L   Apr-07-04 01:43 PM   #174 
              - I disagree  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 03:41 PM   #199 
                 - They were  Monica_L   Apr-07-04 03:50 PM   #205 
                    - Yes, I suppose everone can  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 04:03 PM   #207 
  - Linguistic theorists since Benveniste....  gottaB   Apr-07-04 02:44 PM   #181 
     - Actually I just reject  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 03:39 PM   #197 
  - Have you told Margaret Cho?  democracyindanger   Apr-07-04 12:28 PM   #161 
  - I'll say it again  ant   Apr-07-04 08:56 AM   #27 
  - Our societies hatred of women is so ingrained  Sunny_Sunshine   Apr-07-04 10:08 AM   #89 
  - again, you put it very well.  spooky3   Apr-07-04 12:20 PM   #159 
  - I'm seeing that and it's very sad  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 03:22 PM   #191 
  - I am simply astonished  dsc   Apr-07-04 08:56 AM   #28 
  - Please don't do that. (nt)  Skinner   Apr-07-04 09:00 AM   #33 
  - You totally misread my point  dsc   Apr-07-04 09:07 AM   #40 
     - It doesn't even take "freepers"  Kanary   Apr-07-04 09:28 AM   #54 
  - join the club  ant   Apr-07-04 09:03 AM   #34 
  - that actually wasn't my point  dsc   Apr-07-04 09:09 AM   #44 
     - I thought there weren't any rules  ant   Apr-07-04 09:20 AM   #49 
        - I am 99% sure that  dsc   Apr-07-04 09:22 AM   #50 
        - you missed my point then  ant   Apr-07-04 09:30 AM   #56 
        - This has been my point from the beginning  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:23 AM   #52 
        - so this really isn't about censorship at all  ant   Apr-07-04 09:36 AM   #61 
        - It's about people wanting to be able...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:44 AM   #69 
           - Protecting their supply  Eloriel   Apr-07-04 03:43 PM   #201 
              - ciao  drfemoe   Apr-07-04 05:03 PM   #213 
                 - there's a bit of insanity going on in here  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 05:15 PM   #215 
        - I think shorthands for racist slurs should be forbidden  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 10:58 AM   #116 
        - I would never be using the word even in short-hand...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:04 AM   #121 
           - Yes, how good.  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 11:18 AM   #135 
        - Exactly  cally   Apr-07-04 11:28 AM   #148 
        - check agin  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 09:28 AM   #55 
           - oh, so it's already covered  ant   Apr-07-04 09:31 AM   #57 
           - i don't think it has been established that the use you refer to  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 09:45 AM   #70 
           - This is all so sad  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:48 AM   #74 
              - if that's the case...  ant   Apr-07-04 09:56 AM   #83 
                 - That's the part that makes me angry and sad  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:03 AM   #88 
                    - eh, this is just a board  ant   Apr-07-04 10:09 AM   #90 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-04 10:52 AM   #113 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-04 10:55 AM   #115 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-04 11:06 AM   #124 
                       - Find one post where I dropped the "n" bomb...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:10 AM   #126 
                       - I don't see rampant sexism. Are people supposed to ignore..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:21 AM   #140 
                          - And none of those differences...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:23 AM   #143 
                       - wanna bet?  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 12:57 PM   #164 
           - Well, no. Skinner made explicit and specific allowance for  Eloriel   Apr-07-04 03:50 PM   #204 
           - People post anti-religious words like "goddam" everyday...  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:11 AM   #129 
              - Ok, this is not meant to be a snarky question...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:14 AM   #131 
                 - "Goddamn" is cursing God....  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:19 AM   #136 
                    - I always thought...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:21 AM   #141 
                       - Even if your interpretation is the correct one, according to God..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:24 AM   #144 
                          - Yes, but not everyone on DU...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:27 AM   #147 
                          - You need to provide a verse for that  dsc   Apr-07-04 03:33 PM   #194 
  - It's tolerance. nt  BullGooseLoony   Apr-07-04 09:08 AM   #41 
  - NO.  buddhamama   Apr-07-04 08:57 AM   #30 
  - A lesson from Huey Long  derby378   Apr-07-04 09:05 AM   #35 
  - ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!  truebrit71   Apr-07-04 09:07 AM   #36 
  - NO.....it is the best word to refer to the behavior/attitude of some  DemEx_pat   Apr-07-04 09:07 AM   #37 
  - I am Kathy's BITCH and damn proud of it.  woofless   Apr-07-04 09:07 AM   #39 
  - that's not the sort of use...  ant   Apr-07-04 09:09 AM   #43 
  - ridiculous  mopinko   Apr-07-04 09:09 AM   #42 
  - This whole discussion is indicative of why the left keeps splintering  WyoMee   Apr-07-04 09:18 AM   #47 
  - I am incredibly disappointed that this is being put to a vote  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:19 AM   #48 
  - Even a socalled "sexist insult" can be arbitrary..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:34 AM   #60 
  - Would you tell that...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:39 AM   #64 
     - Oh, give me a break, Velma. I'm black and a bitch.  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:40 AM   #66 
        - You didn't answer the question...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:42 AM   #67 
        - Psst.. Thelma.. black people get called the N word a lot..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:44 AM   #68 
           - It's Velma...and yes...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:45 AM   #71 
           - This thread has no point, IMHO... I guess as a black person..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:48 AM   #73 
              - Actually there is a point...and it's unfortunate...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 09:51 AM   #79 
              - Let us miss it if we want to. It's no skin off your teeth...  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 09:53 AM   #81 
                 - One would also be "gracious and mature"...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:01 AM   #86 
                 - If I direct it at you.. And you find it offensive, I certainly ..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:03 AM   #120 
                    - Is there a derogatory term...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:07 AM   #125 
                       - No. But if someone called me ugly or stupid I wouldn't like it  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:15 AM   #132 
                          - It isn't just a gender specific word...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:20 AM   #137 
                          - I don't care if it is a gender specific insult. We do have..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:22 AM   #142 
                             - I can explain it to you...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 11:25 AM   #145 
                          - for clarity's sake  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 01:20 PM   #169 
                 - gee...i wonder what this country would be like if we took your  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 01:17 PM   #168 
              - one of the first things my father taught me was not to be hurtful  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 01:14 PM   #167 
           - that's not the issue  ant   Apr-07-04 10:02 AM   #87 
              - We insult third parties everyday on DU. Now we have to have..  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:05 AM   #122 
                 - we don't insult them in racist or...  ant   Apr-07-04 11:11 AM   #127 
                    - But, bitch isn't racist or homophobic, so?? Your point?  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:16 AM   #134 
                       - are you serious?  ant   Apr-07-04 11:20 AM   #138 
                          - If I refer to God in the masculine sense, I guess that's sexist too...  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:29 AM   #150 
                             - no, only gender specific  ant   Apr-07-04 01:05 PM   #166 
        - it doesn't have only one meaning  ant   Apr-07-04 09:59 AM   #85 
  - Yea, Democracy Stinks  TNOE   Apr-07-04 09:36 AM   #62 
  - it DOES stink  ant   Apr-07-04 10:28 AM   #98 
  - Are you saying women are minorities?  TNOE   Apr-07-04 10:38 AM   #103 
     - Frankly, yes...all men in the US are the majority because...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:39 AM   #104 
     - Nope  TNOE   Apr-07-04 10:45 AM   #109 
     - So objectifcation is OK, so long as you're in the group doing it?  kiahzero   Apr-07-04 04:08 PM   #208 
        - Huh?  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 04:23 PM   #210 
           - I may have made a mistaken assumption - you tell me  kiahzero   Apr-07-04 04:57 PM   #212 
     - I wasn't saying that but I do think they are  ant   Apr-07-04 10:47 AM   #112 
     - in this case, the PEOPLE, both male and female  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 01:25 PM   #170 
  - 'cause everyone knows feminists are sexless  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:32 AM   #99 
     - amazing how the wording matters  ant   Apr-07-04 10:40 AM   #105 
     - But he didn't...did he?  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:43 AM   #107 
     - You talk and act out of both sides of your mouth  TNOE   Apr-07-04 10:42 AM   #106 
        - You still haven't listened to a word I've said...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:46 AM   #110 
  - Use as an insult is not necessarily sexist...  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-07-04 09:51 AM   #78 
  - yes, it is  ant   Apr-07-04 10:22 AM   #94 
  - You need to read a dictionary, then...  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-07-04 10:27 AM   #97 
     - a dictionary?  ant   Apr-07-04 10:36 AM   #102 
        - Perhaps you should get a BETTER dictionary, then.  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-07-04 10:46 AM   #111 
           - that's funny  ant   Apr-07-04 10:59 AM   #118 
              - Thanks. I posted the OED definition yesterday  tishaLA   Apr-07-04 11:06 AM   #123 
                 - it doesn't seem to matter how many definitions are produced.  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 01:52 PM   #177 
                    - that's what's really bothering me  ant   Apr-07-04 02:36 PM   #180 
  - find me a dictionary in which the female gender doesn't surface  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 01:41 PM   #173 
  - Agree completely, Velma.  Kanary   Apr-07-04 09:54 AM   #82 
  - Why they can't just step up and enforce that rule the way they enforce the  Scout   Apr-07-04 10:24 AM   #96 
  - My elaboration on No  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Apr-07-04 09:23 AM   #51 
  - Thanks  WyoMee   Apr-07-04 09:46 AM   #72 
  - Well said. I largely agree.  TahitiNut   Apr-07-04 10:17 AM   #91 
  - reverse sexism  ant   Apr-07-04 10:20 AM   #93 
  - gender specific vs. sexist  ant   Apr-07-04 10:19 AM   #92 
     - A word of some nuance  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Apr-07-04 01:46 PM   #175 
        - I never requested a ban on the word...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 01:55 PM   #178 
        - you can say that again  ant   Apr-07-04 02:52 PM   #183 
  - Good Grief!  dmr   Apr-07-04 09:32 AM   #58 
  - Why are people unable to follow simple instructions?  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-07-04 09:51 AM   #77 
  - It shouldn't be allowed in topic titles  gottaB   Apr-07-04 09:52 AM   #80 
  - Epithets make a poor substitute for reasoned criticism, and NO!!!  slackmaster   Apr-07-04 09:57 AM   #84 
  - Should the term "hysteria" be banned as sexist??  TahitiNut   Apr-07-04 10:23 AM   #95 
  - No, but calling  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 10:34 AM   #100 
  - So, Velma, is it OK to call someone an "Hysterical Male?"  DemLikr   Apr-07-04 10:59 AM   #117 
     - you know what would be even better?  ant   Apr-07-04 11:02 AM   #119 
  - NO ~ to Skinner's question and no to banning hysteria  maddezmom   Apr-07-04 10:35 AM   #101 
  - I think all words should be used here  cally   Apr-07-04 11:12 AM   #130 
  - I love you Cally.  Kahuna   Apr-07-04 11:26 AM   #146 
     - I love you both Cally & Kahuna  Desertrose   Apr-07-04 12:58 PM   #165 
        - have you ever heard of the civil rights movement or the women's  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-07-04 03:16 PM   #188 
           - self deleted  Desertrose   Apr-07-04 03:53 PM   #206 
  - There Is No Need For The Usage  The Magistrate   Apr-07-04 12:00 PM   #151 
  - Wow...thanks  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 12:01 PM   #152 
  - Velma, you changed my opinion on this issue  DoubleDigitIQ   Apr-07-04 02:28 PM   #179 
  - Then I ask you to no longer use the word "bastard".  DrWeird   Apr-07-04 12:06 PM   #154 
     - Being One Myself, Doctor  The Magistrate   Apr-07-04 12:13 PM   #156 
        - Yeah, cause everyone knows being a woman...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 12:15 PM   #157 
           - Life Is Suffering, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Apr-07-04 12:27 PM   #160 
  - No.  Triple H   Apr-07-04 12:13 PM   #155 
  - Yes, especially bitch-slapping.  Anj   Apr-07-04 12:40 PM   #163 
  - thread's filling up. smell a lockdown coming n/t  KleverKittie   Apr-07-04 01:31 PM   #171 
  - TROUBLES IN PARADOX?  jus_the_facts   Apr-07-04 01:31 PM   #172 
  - I'm female ... and I say NO  BattyDem   Apr-07-04 01:51 PM   #176 
  - I think the majority has stated NO, both in polls and posts. eom  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Apr-07-04 02:47 PM   #182 
  - Yes...and if the majority decided to jump off a cliff...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 03:04 PM   #184 
     - Really, when?  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Apr-07-04 03:06 PM   #185 
     - *snort*  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 03:09 PM   #186 
        - Was it the graphic or the smart assnes? Just wondering. eom  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Apr-07-04 03:10 PM   #187 
           - I thinkit was the image in my head...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 03:27 PM   #193 
              - Yeah, the good ol' Hammurderer always gets them.........eom  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Apr-07-04 03:36 PM   #195 
     - if the will of the majority was imposed in the 60s, blacks wouldn't  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 03:18 PM   #189 
        - Well the majority here aren't ignorant right wing racists. So I'll respect  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Apr-07-04 04:40 PM   #211 
           - right-wing racists use the word "bitch" as a sexist SLUR  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 05:16 PM   #216 
              - RW idiots use the word "liberal" as a slur, too  democracyindanger   Apr-07-04 05:19 PM   #217 
  - YES.....you've read all my posts in the previous threads, Skinner  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 03:25 PM   #192 
  - Yeah...  dolo amber   Apr-07-04 03:38 PM   #196 
     - oh yeah....the majority isn't always right  slinkerwink   Apr-07-04 03:40 PM   #198 
     - Right or wrong  dolo amber   Apr-07-04 03:47 PM   #202 
        - It's very simple...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 03:48 PM   #203 
     - Difference between a republic and a democracy dolo_amber...  VelmaD   Apr-07-04 03:41 PM   #200 
  - no  gpandas   Apr-07-04 04:11 PM   #209 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-04 05:07 PM   #214 
  - I'm locking this.  Skinner   Apr-07-04 05:20 PM   #218 
 

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