TreasonousBastard
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Wed Apr-07-04 02:07 AM
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| 19. The predominant view is that... |
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homosexuality is an inherent trait, and not a question of learned behavior or choice.
So, using "fag" would be the equivalent of using "nigger." It is a pejorative for someone who "is" rather than "does."
Insulting someone for what he or she is, rather than what they choose to do, is the lowest form of discourse. It's not even debate. It's beneath even arguing. It's simply insult for the sake of insult and inflicting harm on the target.
I am adamantly against banning words, but if words must be banned, ban the ones that insult an entire class of people for simply being what they are.
This does, of course, mean that we have to come up with synomyms for British cigarettes and bunches of kindling wood.
(Curious that we have so far spent more time on this word nonsense than just about any other subject this month.)
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| -Why is fag banned but bitch allowed? |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 01:28 AM |
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Whoo - where's my kevlar suit? |
Susang |
Apr-07-04 01:31 AM |
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I am using it in the Lounge |
ZombyWoof |
Apr-07-04 01:51 AM |
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You cannot be serious! |
dogonarug |
Apr-07-04 07:23 AM |
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Heathens. PLATYPUSES are above all! (nt) |
JCCyC |
Apr-07-04 09:47 AM |
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Is it banned? |
FDRrocks |
Apr-07-04 01:32 AM |
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Calling a person a fag when your intent is to insult them is. |
bezdomny |
Apr-07-04 01:34 AM |
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to see what I am speaking of look at any one of the 8 threads |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 01:35 AM |
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Those threads were about |
FDRrocks |
Apr-07-04 01:36 AM |
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you misread the post.....it was about banning the word in its |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 01:37 AM |
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and this is what Skinner said in his original post |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 01:39 AM |
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I'm curious...you seem to love bandying the word about |
RapidCreek |
Apr-07-04 03:45 AM |
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No they or at least the 8th one, wasn't |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 01:38 AM |
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that's where the miscommunication happened |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 01:40 AM |
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I didn't see any of the first seven threads |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 01:41 AM |
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I think he said the same thing in the last seven threads |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 01:46 AM |
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You are being very generous |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 02:08 AM |
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I think people totally overreacted, or that they wanted to |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 02:22 AM |
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yes but |
nayt |
Apr-07-04 06:02 AM |
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you're right----it is sexist |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:08 PM |
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A better contrasting term to "bitch" would be "nob" or "dick" |
sweetheart |
Apr-07-04 01:47 AM |
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um, there's a reason why "fag" is banned here, and it's not because |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 01:49 AM |
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O/T but... |
rabid_nerd |
Apr-07-04 01:47 AM |
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Think there's an EIGHT PAGE thread for this already... |
Selwynn |
Apr-07-04 01:50 AM |
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Did you read my post |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 01:51 AM |
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I did indeed...I love it how just becuase I don't share your view... |
Selwynn |
Apr-07-04 02:18 AM |
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that little "x" button next to threads can be useful |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 02:33 AM |
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Words have meaning |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 09:51 AM |
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Well, its a new day, and you're still not correct. |
Selwynn |
Apr-07-04 10:11 AM |
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kick for clarification of skinner's post |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 02:06 AM |
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The predominant view is that... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-07-04 02:07 AM |
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This has been long overdue |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 02:12 AM |
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and the fact that this issue keeps coming back shows that the |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 02:23 AM |
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the very first time i heard the word nigger was by a white man |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 07:53 AM |
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Well, whether it's a choice or not, it's still insulting someone |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 02:24 AM |
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that's why the main definition of the word "bitch" should not be allowed |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 02:27 AM |
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Goddammit Slink |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 03:28 AM |
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i think slink might mean this |
corporatewhore |
Apr-07-04 03:37 AM |
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bravo! it is against her gender-----not because she "happens" |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:43 AM |
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No, it's not. Men acting that way would get exactly the same |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 04:09 AM |
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no, when men are called "bitch" it means that they're weak or |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 04:17 AM |
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I don't think it's so much... |
theHandpuppet |
Apr-07-04 06:45 AM |
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Better yet, let me give you some examples of sexism, |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 04:28 AM |
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maybe you should add men telling women what sexism is |
corporatewhore |
Apr-07-04 04:40 AM |
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I'm telling EVERYONE that. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 04:44 AM |
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Oh, and I forgot to add the draft as being sexist |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 04:46 AM |
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The draft if they drafted both sexes or only one goes against feminist |
corporatewhore |
Apr-07-04 04:49 AM |
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Why, are women the exclusive arbiters of what constitutes sexism? |
RapidCreek |
Apr-07-04 05:50 AM |
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not exclusive |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:03 AM |
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Touche'! |
theHandpuppet |
Apr-07-04 06:47 AM |
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And HOW do you think all those lacks of "freedom" come to be? |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 09:12 AM |
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I'm well aware of the mechanism behind |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 09:26 AM |
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You're well aware of it, |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 09:58 AM |
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Yeah...BTW the ACLU sends its regards. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 10:16 AM |
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Actually, I happen to know many people in the ACLU here |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 10:38 AM |
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You're talking to one. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 10:39 AM |
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So are you. |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:41 AM |
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You are too. Nice try. No dice. |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 10:42 AM |
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Okay. I'm lying about being in the ACLU. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 10:44 AM |
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Back up the truck |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:32 AM |
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Read them both again. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 09:44 AM |
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I have to respectfully disagree with you... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:00 AM |
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That's not sexism, either. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 04:08 AM |
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no, when men are called bitches, it's to emasculate them, or |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 04:18 AM |
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when women express a strong political belief we are often times called |
corporatewhore |
Apr-07-04 04:27 AM |
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find me an example of a man being beaten bloody by a woman |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:30 AM |
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find any dictionary that doesn't include female in the definition. |
bearfartinthewoods |
Apr-07-04 08:14 AM |
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I don't call women bitches. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 08:50 AM |
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I call bullshit |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:36 AM |
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Tough. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 09:53 AM |
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Many people have gone way past... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 09:57 AM |
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They didn't start this, though. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-07-04 10:13 AM |
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Trying to untangle... |
VelmaD |
Apr-07-04 10:19 AM |
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kick |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 02:39 AM |
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kick |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:13 AM |
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cuz dogs are fine, but cigarettes are bad |
PurityOfEssence |
Apr-07-04 03:43 AM |
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no, it is based upon the gender, not the behavior |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:45 AM |
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because Cigarettes are bad and Girl puppies are cute. |
GoPsUx |
Apr-07-04 04:31 AM |
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Why Gay? |
RapidCreek |
Apr-07-04 05:35 AM |
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"Fag" is a homophobic slur and bitch isn't. |
Plaid Adder |
Apr-07-04 07:15 AM |
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isn't that pretty much a whose ox is being gored argument? |
dsc |
Apr-07-04 08:40 AM |
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Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander |
Kanary |
Apr-07-04 10:18 AM |
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This fag thinks we should stop banning words altogether. |
DemLikr |
Apr-07-04 08:59 AM |
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Being victims |
WyoMee |
Apr-07-04 09:43 AM |
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i dont want to be rescued by skinner but i want people to aknowlegde |
corporatewhore |
Apr-07-04 11:12 AM |
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I want people to realize that, too |
WyoMee |
Apr-07-04 11:32 AM |
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that has some truth to it but placeing it on the same level as fag |
corporatewhore |
Apr-07-04 11:51 AM |
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It seems I wasn't clear enough the first time, so let me rephrase - |
Selwynn |
Apr-07-04 10:15 AM |
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I think we should stop banning all words here |
cally |
Apr-07-04 10:27 AM |
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kick |
slinkerwink |
Apr-07-04 03:11 PM |
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