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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 10:38 PM
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154. Used against women, often, BY women...
Almost everyone I know uses the term to refer to especially unpleasant and nasty females...and this includes males AND females (and actually, much more often, females). This experience (one which is, I see, shared by MANY of those who have responded to these various threads) tends to invalidate your base assumption.
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  -Should the term "bitch" and related phrases be forbidden on DU? (Thread 7) Skinner  Apr-06-04 09:26 PM   #0 
  - Firsties  Nlighten1   Apr-06-04 09:27 PM   #1 
  - Slinkerwink, please justify your claim.  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 09:28 PM   #2 
  - http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_561599727/bitch.html  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-06-04 09:42 PM   #32 
  - Don't pull edited entry out of MY dictionary  mouse7   Apr-06-04 09:46 PM   #43 
     - yeah, along with you posting to the contrary.  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-06-04 09:52 PM   #54 
        - There was no link to the complete entry  mouse7   Apr-06-04 09:55 PM   #58 
           - why are we arguing dictionary definitions here?  ant   Apr-06-04 10:02 PM   #72 
              - Then why did all this start on a Condi Rice thread?  mouse7   Apr-06-04 10:11 PM   # 
                 - I don't understand  ant   Apr-06-04 10:17 PM   #105 
  - dictionary.com  ant   Apr-06-04 09:42 PM   #33 
     - So "Something very unpleasant or difficult" = a women? Now THAT's sexist.  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:04 PM   #73 
        - don't change the subject  ant   Apr-06-04 10:10 PM   #88 
           - I didn't  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:29 PM   #138 
              - like I said  ant   Apr-06-04 10:33 PM   #146 
  - No - context is the issue, not the word itself!  rumguy   Apr-06-04 09:28 PM   #3 
  - I agree  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 09:30 PM   #7 
     - Unforunately on the net...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 09:34 PM   #17 
        - Very true  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 09:44 PM   #37 
  - Skinner, i just fully read your post. you wrote  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-06-04 09:29 PM   #4 
  - The "protests" are what caused this disaster  mouse7   Apr-06-04 09:49 PM   #47 
  - The world is falling apart and this is our worry?  KAZ   Apr-06-04 09:29 PM   #5 
  - heh  ant   Apr-06-04 09:51 PM   #49 
     - OohKaay, maybe you're right. n/t  KAZ   Apr-06-04 10:13 PM   #95 
  - Respectfully submitted  Corgigal   Apr-06-04 09:29 PM   #6 
  - Amen  bigbillhaywood   Apr-06-04 09:41 PM   #29 
  - Someone was suggesting that racial and gender terms were the same in the  curse10   Apr-06-04 09:31 PM   #8 
  - a woman can legally sue a man if he calls her a bitch or a whore  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:25 PM   #129 
     - No shit.  curse10   Apr-06-04 10:39 PM   #157 
  - Too much thin skin around here...  Mr_Lefty   Apr-06-04 09:31 PM   #9 
  - here's my essay for those who might have missed this  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 09:31 PM   #10 
  - don't worry, no one has missed it  curse10   Apr-06-04 09:33 PM   #14 
  - Agreed.  mouse7   Apr-06-04 09:53 PM   #55 
  - Please respond to post #2.  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 09:36 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-04 09:36 PM   #22 
  - whatever  Mr_Lefty   Apr-06-04 09:42 PM   #34 
  - Ok  ALago1   Apr-06-04 09:46 PM   #44 
  - when it's directed at another member then no  AndyP   Apr-06-04 09:32 PM   #11 
  - I have always felt among friends on the Board...  LawStudentMom   Apr-06-04 09:35 PM   #18 
     - kids have thin skins  bearfartinthewoods   Apr-06-04 09:46 PM   #40 
  - Thread 7 !!!  WillyT   Apr-06-04 09:32 PM   #12 
  - "let's try and keep our eyes on the ball". President Sheppard.  KAZ   Apr-06-04 09:37 PM   #24 
  - Sometimes DU Reminds Me of Monty Python's LIFE OF BRIAN  ulTRAX   Apr-06-04 09:32 PM   #13 
  - Newbie has a question?  bigbillhaywood   Apr-06-04 09:33 PM   #15 
  - Most don't, but I've seen it! And I've seen Jew = Israel equivalency too  WillyBrandt   Apr-06-04 09:35 PM   #19 
  - Please  Skinner   Apr-06-04 09:36 PM   #20 
     - I'm just saying--there's stuff as bad that's just as ban-worthy  WillyBrandt   Apr-06-04 09:39 PM   #26 
     - I was just curious being my first visit and all  bigbillhaywood   Apr-06-04 09:40 PM   #28 
  - Fran Lebowitz wrote  Dookus   Apr-06-04 09:33 PM   #16 
  - I'd forgotten my deep love for Fran Liebowitz  tishaLA   Apr-06-04 09:42 PM   #35 
  - But what if the word were "nigger" instead?  Bucky   Apr-06-04 10:18 PM   #110 
     - well  Dookus   Apr-06-04 10:25 PM   #130 
  - No  Astarho   Apr-06-04 09:37 PM   #23 
  - Thank you...I'll add not relevant...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 09:43 PM   #36 
  - I think threads about the word Bit*h should be banned  lastknowngood   Apr-06-04 09:37 PM   #25 
  - New guy's vote  bigbillhaywood   Apr-06-04 09:39 PM   #27 
  - Welcome!  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 09:58 PM   #64 
  - thicker skin, grow some, please!  latebloomer   Apr-06-04 09:42 PM   #30 
  - LOL  Dookus   Apr-06-04 09:46 PM   #41 
  - Ja! Ubetcha!  TahitiNut   Apr-06-04 10:10 PM   #86 
  - No  Kadie   Apr-06-04 09:42 PM   #31 
  - What if I call myself (gay male) a "bitch" while alone in a room while  DemLikr   Apr-06-04 09:44 PM   #38 
  - LOL....that's too much...........lol  RedEarth   Apr-06-04 09:48 PM   #45 
  - HAHAHAHA  Catch22Dem   Apr-06-04 09:51 PM   #50 
     - How very nice for you...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 09:57 PM   #62 
        - Velma...  trekkerlass   Apr-06-04 10:23 PM   #122 
           - You certainly have that right  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:32 PM   #143 
              - My reasoning...  trekkerlass   Apr-06-04 10:39 PM   #155 
  - Goddamnit! NO!  MrSlayer   Apr-06-04 09:45 PM   #39 
  - When will this end?  Rationality   Apr-06-04 09:46 PM   #42 
  - No  SemperEadem   Apr-06-04 09:49 PM   #46 
  - No.  FlashHarry   Apr-06-04 09:50 PM   #48 
  - I try not to use it, but NO  mitchtv   Apr-06-04 09:51 PM   #51 
  - No  ploppy   Apr-06-04 09:52 PM   #52 
  - It shouldn't be banned--we'll never be able to honestly...  johnfunk   Apr-06-04 09:52 PM   #53 
  - I've seen more laugh-out-loud posts tonight on DU  Catch22Dem   Apr-06-04 09:54 PM   #56 
  - lol  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 09:56 PM   #59 
  - LMFAO  Rationality   Apr-06-04 09:56 PM   #60 
  - I would have to admit to using  Kerryfan   Apr-06-04 09:55 PM   #57 
  - Again, NO...  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-04 09:56 PM   #61 
  - that's it....I give up-----you guys get to call women BITCHES!  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 09:57 PM   #63 
  - sorry you feel that way  rumguy   Apr-06-04 09:59 PM   #65 
  - I never called you anything  Rationality   Apr-06-04 09:59 PM   #66 
  - Have I mocked or ridiculed you tonight?  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 10:02 PM   #69 
  - You're conceding defeat? (nt)  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:05 PM   #76 
  - I'm sick of arguing my point SEVEN times over!  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:07 PM   #79 
  - People honestly think you are wrong. That does not make you a martyr.  WillyBrandt   Apr-06-04 10:08 PM   #81 
     - I'm not wrong and I'm sick of men telling me I'm wrong or that  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:10 PM   #87 
        - And your opponents are equally convinced. Do not conflate this debate  WillyBrandt   Apr-06-04 10:12 PM   #92 
        - it isn't just men  curse10   Apr-06-04 10:16 PM   #102 
        - The majority of women here also disagree with you.  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:16 PM   #104 
           - And you know this because...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:20 PM   #115 
              - The preponderance of evidence suggests this.  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:24 PM   #128 
              - agreed!  curse10   Apr-06-04 10:29 PM   #139 
              - Actually the preponderance of evidence is that...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:34 PM   #148 
                 - oh, who cares about what the minorities feel anyway....  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:39 PM   #156 
              - You guys were down 86% to 14 % in poll voting  mouse7   Apr-06-04 10:33 PM   #145 
                 - Now you stepped in it...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:36 PM   #150 
  - I don't think she really is  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 10:09 PM   #84 
  - IF YOU WANT TO USE BITCH, THEN USE RACIAL EPITHETS  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:09 PM   #85 
  - LMAO  curse10   Apr-06-04 10:15 PM   #99 
  - I knew you'd find a way to work the rest of the slurs in.  mouse7   Apr-06-04 10:17 PM   #106 
  - FOR the last time, they are NOT the same!!!  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:19 PM   #114 
  - ahh!  Dookus   Apr-06-04 10:21 PM   #117 
  - As I remember, you'd get pissed when Kamika would drop  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:22 PM   #120 
  - Not once  Dookus   Apr-06-04 10:30 PM   #140 
  - Thank you Dookus  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 10:24 PM   #125 
  - Bit, um, fanatical on this subject, aren't you?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-04 10:26 PM   #131 
     - "the fact that a term is gender-specific DOES NOT make it sexist"  Lizz612   Apr-06-04 10:29 PM   #137 
        - it does.....why is that so hard to comprehend given the history  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:34 PM   #147 
           - Used against women, often, BY women...  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-06-04 10:38 PM   #154 
  - Really?  democracyindanger   Apr-06-04 10:15 PM   #100 
     - they're called deleted posts  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:19 PM   #112 
        - They were deleted. What do you want, crucifixion?  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:21 PM   #119 
           - it's spelled crucifixion  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:22 PM   #121 
           - DU Presents "The Passion of the B**CH" n/t  mouse7   Apr-06-04 10:37 PM   #151 
              - LMAO  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:38 PM   #153 
  - How about the term "witch"?  DrWeird   Apr-06-04 09:59 PM   #67 
  - I'm afraid...  brook   Apr-06-04 10:01 PM   #68 
  - woo hoo  drfemoe   Apr-06-04 10:28 PM   #135 
  - words of wisdom, brook  curse10   Apr-06-04 10:31 PM   #142 
  - sure, why not ,,,  Mike Niendorff   Apr-06-04 10:02 PM   #70 
  - I'm going to keep on repeating this...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:08 PM   #80 
  - I wish to repeat a question from the previous thread.  crunchyfrog   Apr-06-04 10:02 PM   #71 
  - I would hope...  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:04 PM   #75 
     - Oh, please. He's a COMEDIAN.  JohnLocke   Apr-06-04 10:11 PM   #91 
  - Nah. Too many rules already  leesa   Apr-06-04 10:04 PM   #74 
  - I vote an emphatic NO on banning.  PROUD DemocRAT   Apr-06-04 10:05 PM   #77 
  - This is liberalism at its worst.  SeveneightyWhoa   Apr-06-04 10:05 PM   #78 
  - Um, at this point I haven't done anything.  Skinner   Apr-06-04 10:09 PM   #83 
  - Yeah..  SeveneightyWhoa   Apr-06-04 10:11 PM   #90 
  - Thanks...I don't think I had a "silly" yet today  VelmaD   Apr-06-04 10:15 PM   #101 
  - And it's quite a discussion. It really is.  KAZ   Apr-06-04 10:17 PM   #108 
  - Congrats  lapauvre   Apr-06-04 10:28 PM   #134 
  - Don't take it out on Skinner!  PROUD DemocRAT   Apr-06-04 10:11 PM   #89 
  - can we take it out on you?  rumguy   Apr-06-04 10:12 PM   #94 
  - Sure!  PROUD DemocRAT   Apr-06-04 10:14 PM   #97 
     - Aye, the alturism you demonstrate should be emulated by all!!!  Rationality   Apr-06-04 10:20 PM   #116 
     - I'm backing off...  rumguy   Apr-06-04 10:32 PM   #144 
  - [sorry, wrong target]  Rationality   Apr-06-04 10:16 PM   #103 
  - I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up to the Admins here, but...  Rationality   Apr-06-04 10:12 PM   #93 
     - Okay, okay.  SeveneightyWhoa   Apr-06-04 10:17 PM   #107 
        - Have you no sense of decency?  rumguy   Apr-06-04 10:19 PM   #113 
  - "Bitch" as a noun or adjective is hate speech. But still don't ban it  Bucky   Apr-06-04 10:09 PM   #82 
  - I know I am probably too late...  lapauvre   Apr-06-04 10:13 PM   #96 
  - No.  Mattforclark   Apr-06-04 10:14 PM   #98 
  - Final thought  Rationality   Apr-06-04 10:17 PM   #109 
  - I would like to think that I was in the kind of company that would not  MrsGrumpy   Apr-06-04 10:19 PM   #111 
  - I also would like to think that this is a message board that is  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:21 PM   #118 
     - I agree slink, but it is a free country to a point. I'd like to see it  MrsGrumpy   Apr-06-04 10:24 PM   #126 
        - but think about how sexist words like that affect women like me  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:27 PM   #133 
           - Again agreed. Which is why I speak with her about it. She also  MrsGrumpy   Apr-06-04 10:30 PM   #141 
              - and why should that ignorance and stupidity be encouraged here?  slinkerwink   Apr-06-04 10:35 PM   #149 
  - No. That is WAY too PC  Devil Dog Dem   Apr-06-04 10:23 PM   #123 
  - No. That is WAY too PC  Devil Dog Dem   Apr-06-04 10:23 PM   #124 
  - Ban it, and I'll bust a "Alert" cap everytime I see...  BiggJawn   Apr-06-04 10:24 PM   #127 
  - Oooohhhhh.... NOW you've gone and done it!  PROUD DemocRAT   Apr-06-04 10:27 PM   #132 
  - Many times I have alerted on just that BiggJawn...either way, it's not  MrsGrumpy   Apr-06-04 10:28 PM   #136 
  - fair IS fair  ant   Apr-06-04 10:38 PM   #152 
  - Continue discussion in thread #8  Skinner   Apr-06-04 10:40 PM   #158 
 

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