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Tue Aug-05-03 05:20 PM
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| Let's revisit the "R" situation, shall we? |
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"R" meaning Reparations. A friend sent me this article today: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?m... I was particulary struck by the closing statements: Many whites who grew up middle class in the suburbs like to think we got where we are today on merit -- hard work, intelligence, pluck and maybe a little luck. We wonder why non-white parents didn't just work hard, buy a home and pass on the appreciated value like our parents did. We tend to be blind to how the playing field has been -- and continues to be -- tilted to our advantage.
Racism doesn't just come dressed in white sheets or voiced by skinheads, but lies in institutions that, like the FHA, have quietly and often invisibly channeled America's wealth, power, and status disproportionately to white people, giving us a head start in life. As Ohio State University law professor John A. Powell observes: "The slick thing about whiteness is that whites are getting the spoils of a racist system without themselves being personally racist." OK -- most of you who are against reparations base your objections on the fact that there are no living slaves alive today, nor their immediate offspring. Many of you balk at the mere suggestion of reparations, adding that even though your ancestors may have been slave owners, it has nothing to do with you (you know who you are from the other reparation threads we have participated in). So my question is, as many whites continually benefit and reap rewards from this country's countless racist policies, don't I have the right to be compensated as one of a race who has suffered from these policies?
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| -Let's revisit the "R" situation, shall we? |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:20 PM |
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Of course there should be some kind of reparations for blacks. |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-05-03 05:23 PM |
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No. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:24 PM |
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care to expand? |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:27 PM |
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I am always insulted. . . |
wndycty |
Aug-05-03 05:30 PM |
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That type of attitude |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:32 PM |
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Most of the time when I disagree... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:35 PM |
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I think the majority of the people on the DU |
wndycty |
Aug-05-03 05:38 PM |
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I agree. No reparations. They will hurt race relations. (n/t) |
w4rma |
Aug-05-03 05:39 PM |
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Lack of reparations may hurt race relations. . . |
wndycty |
Aug-05-03 05:42 PM |
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How will reparations hurt race relations? |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:43 PM |
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CAN'T CHANGE HISTORY |
blindpig |
Aug-06-03 01:22 PM |
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We at least need an honest open dialogue on reparations |
wndycty |
Aug-05-03 05:25 PM |
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It won't happen. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:46 PM |
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But most arguments against reparations |
wndycty |
Aug-05-03 05:58 PM |
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Hunh? |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:18 PM |
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Ain't it funny. |
DrWeird |
Aug-05-03 05:28 PM |
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Helluva good point, Dr. |
chimpymustgo |
Aug-05-03 05:30 PM |
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It was? |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:35 PM |
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Yes, it was |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:43 PM |
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Would that be because... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:59 PM |
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You haven't been paying attention |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:04 PM |
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Then I would point out that... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:15 PM |
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How about "hitsthenailtooclosetotheheadic" |
DrWeird |
Aug-05-03 06:51 PM |
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Wow...they've gotten nothing. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 07:01 PM |
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Is youse people tryin to get sumthin fer nuttin agin? (SARCASM) |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 05:35 PM |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, and more blatent male bashing. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:36 PM |
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How is it male bashing to acknowledge that men have benefitted in the |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 05:40 PM |
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It isn't worth rebuting. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:52 PM |
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No it's that you are incapable...nice try |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 05:54 PM |
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Come up with something.... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:56 PM |
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NLP won't get you far, try controlling the debate with a point |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 06:27 PM |
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please. |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 05:44 PM |
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LMAO |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:51 PM |
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well, no |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 05:53 PM |
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No but you are callng names with no justification |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 05:53 PM |
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Why try? |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 05:59 PM |
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You began with two oneliners, accused me of male bashing and now |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 06:24 PM |
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No, I posted originally on this thread... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:28 PM |
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myself, I think that wage gap is nonsense |
jafap |
Aug-06-03 04:14 PM |
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wow, reactionary arent you? |
drdigi420 |
Aug-06-03 05:41 PM |
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Interesting Topic...flame bait for sure! |
LeftCoast |
Aug-05-03 05:36 PM |
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The Gubmint. |
DrWeird |
Aug-05-03 05:43 PM |
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I did not mean for this to be flamebait |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:45 PM |
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How about businesses that profitted PAY and COMMUNITIES benefit |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Aug-05-03 05:48 PM |
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That would probably help, but |
LeftCoast |
Aug-05-03 06:05 PM |
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After that, how much do you pay? Then who gets paid? |
whoYaCallinAlib |
Aug-05-03 05:51 PM |
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Here's where I have a problem with the idea of reparations.. |
SweetZombieJesus |
Aug-05-03 05:39 PM |
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Payments are just a small part of the reparations issue. |
DrWeird |
Aug-05-03 05:44 PM |
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Didn't Clinton formerly apologize though? |
SweetZombieJesus |
Aug-05-03 05:50 PM |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:06 PM |
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Apology first step in issue of reparations |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:14 PM |
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He apologized to Africa. |
DrWeird |
Aug-05-03 06:25 PM |
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I agree that it won't |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 05:47 PM |
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I think that's a great idea |
juajen |
Aug-05-03 11:53 PM |
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No. That's not how it works. |
MiltonLeBerle |
Aug-05-03 05:48 PM |
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Well, gee Uncle Miltie |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:49 PM |
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It's part of the equation |
sandnsea |
Aug-05-03 06:15 PM |
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Here's why: Blacks get nothing. On the other hand, |
CatWoman |
Aug-07-03 08:15 PM |
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In that case... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:27 PM |
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It's all about perspective, that's why. |
MiltonLeBerle |
Aug-05-03 06:29 PM |
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If you want to talk about other groups, let's start a thread |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:34 PM |
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the question you asked: |
MiltonLeBerle |
Aug-05-03 07:04 PM |
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if that was your purpose then why the title about reparations? |
bearfartinthewoods |
Aug-06-03 02:46 PM |
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Slightly off-topic, but we often have such a short-term, ignorant view of |
Snow |
Aug-05-03 05:50 PM |
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I'd give money,land and an apology |
Forkboy |
Aug-05-03 05:53 PM |
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You know I LOATHE Godzilla |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 05:54 PM |
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Thats ok...no ones perfect |
Forkboy |
Aug-05-03 06:22 PM |
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American Indians first |
mmm |
Aug-05-03 06:01 PM |
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Now that... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:04 PM |
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But this conversation isn't about American Indians |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:06 PM |
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Ignoring that part of the equation... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:13 PM |
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I'm not ignoring anything |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:16 PM |
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And that is one of the biggest problems. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-05-03 06:20 PM |
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I don't function that way |
sandnsea |
Aug-06-03 12:14 AM |
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i don't understand..... |
bearfartinthewoods |
Aug-06-03 03:04 PM |
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Indian Health Services Budget for 2004 |
molly |
Aug-07-03 09:47 AM |
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i agree with the article |
buddhamama |
Aug-05-03 06:04 PM |
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The question is: who pays? |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 06:14 PM |
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you're paying for the adventure in Iraq right now. |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 06:17 PM |
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Did I say I was worried? |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 06:23 PM |
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no, you didn't - my bad |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 06:25 PM |
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I know who pays for that- working people who have been given |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 06:28 PM |
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"What does the war have to do with reparations?" |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 06:38 PM |
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And I told you I oppose the war, I just didn't think it was relevant |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 06:52 PM |
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It's completely relevant. Costs is costs. |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 07:01 PM |
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How much did you pay for food this past week? "Costs is costs." |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 07:08 PM |
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around $110 |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 07:10 PM |
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You said "costs is costs." |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 07:16 PM |
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my groceries aren't paid out of the communal tax base. |
ulysses |
Aug-05-03 07:29 PM |
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Then you admit "costs aren't always costs." |
Redleg |
Aug-05-03 07:42 PM |
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How to begin is the real issue |
Capn Sunshine |
Aug-05-03 06:17 PM |
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Never mind |
Terwilliger |
Aug-05-03 06:23 PM |
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Can I watch or do I have to choose up sides? |
Capn Sunshine |
Aug-05-03 06:55 PM |
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I think there's only one "r" in mirar |
Terwilliger |
Aug-05-03 06:56 PM |
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At my peril, I oppose them. And I've been here a while and anyone who |
karlschneider |
Aug-05-03 06:22 PM |
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ok, but that isn't the issue |
Terwilliger |
Aug-05-03 06:26 PM |
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at my peril |
kymar57 |
Aug-05-03 07:29 PM |
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at my peril |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 07:47 PM |
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to answer your question |
jagguy |
Aug-05-03 06:24 PM |
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this i have to hear |
buddhamama |
Aug-05-03 06:37 PM |
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I'm pretty interested in this phenomena as well |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:58 PM |
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mules are cool ! |
jagguy |
Aug-05-03 10:34 PM |
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look at virtually every employment ad |
jagguy |
Aug-05-03 10:33 PM |
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I'm sorry -- I couldn't get past the EEOC |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 10:37 PM |
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but its still there |
jagguy |
Aug-05-03 10:51 PM |
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I could tell you some stories |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 11:05 PM |
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And at a bank here just the opposite is true |
jagguy |
Aug-05-03 11:29 PM |
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but.................but.......................but |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 11:35 PM |
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I'm white female who |
juajen |
Aug-06-03 12:21 AM |
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As you see |
jagguy |
Aug-06-03 02:53 PM |
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Here is a recent study about hiring/resumes and the disadvantage |
salin |
Aug-07-03 01:01 PM |
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this country's countless racist policies? |
Yentatelaventa |
Aug-05-03 06:24 PM |
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why don't you read the article |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:37 PM |
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Done and zero mention of ANY current policy - much less countless. |
Yentatelaventa |
Aug-05-03 08:53 PM |
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I find it troubling |
jagguy |
Aug-05-03 10:41 PM |
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And PAINFULLY sticking in black peoples necks like a gusher |
Terwilliger |
Aug-05-03 11:30 PM |
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Enlighten me, please |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 11:32 PM |
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if you survive this thread,..... |
bearfartinthewoods |
Aug-06-03 03:50 PM |
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I appreciate the advice |
jagguy |
Aug-06-03 04:22 PM |
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I provided details in my original post |
CatWoman |
Aug-06-03 08:07 PM |
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Still looking for a link to "countless" current racist policies |
Yentatelaventa |
Aug-07-03 06:07 AM |
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it is institutionalized |
buddhamama |
Aug-07-03 06:40 AM |
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few more |
CatWoman |
Aug-07-03 12:10 PM |
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do yourself a favor -- read this book |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 11:59 PM |
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I could give the same advice |
jagguy |
Aug-06-03 03:02 PM |
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The Drug War |
Terwilliger |
Aug-05-03 07:00 PM |
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Well, maybe money isn't the answer... |
LeviathanCrumbling |
Aug-05-03 06:26 PM |
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About no living slaves |
mandyky |
Aug-05-03 06:34 PM |
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Don't base it on race. |
gulliver |
Aug-05-03 06:44 PM |
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A few questions for anyone who cares to answer |
slackmaster |
Aug-05-03 06:50 PM |
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So many questions -- |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 06:57 PM |
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#4 |
Terwilliger |
Aug-05-03 06:59 PM |
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There is no legal basis in support of reparations for slavery |
Walt Starr |
Aug-05-03 07:09 PM |
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I agree about Whites benefitting from racist system but |
cat_girl25 |
Aug-05-03 07:37 PM |
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As a hispanic I say NO |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-05-03 07:55 PM |
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Reparations? Yes! |
LoverOfLiberty |
Aug-05-03 09:20 PM |
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if.... |
deseo |
Aug-05-03 09:51 PM |
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Yes. |
alaine |
Aug-05-03 10:01 PM |
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I'm for them in theory but it opens up a whole can of worms |
John_H |
Aug-05-03 10:18 PM |
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I prefer other types of reparations |
SyracuseDemocrat |
Aug-05-03 10:43 PM |
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AS DO I !!!!!!!! |
CatWoman |
Aug-05-03 10:46 PM |
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That I can definitely agree with. |
ibegurpard |
Aug-06-03 12:23 AM |
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That's what the reparations people want |
sangha |
Aug-06-03 02:54 PM |
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You're WRONG - read Randall Robinson |
dymaxia |
Aug-06-03 03:31 PM |
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No, I'm right. You misunderstood. |
sangha |
Aug-07-03 12:12 PM |
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I am one such person |
CatWoman |
Aug-07-03 12:21 PM |
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Oh, OK |
dymaxia |
Aug-07-03 12:32 PM |
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In reference to my earlier post, |
SyracuseDemocrat |
Aug-05-03 10:47 PM |
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Sure! I'm all for reparations. |
MUAD_DIB |
Aug-05-03 10:57 PM |
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The right way to do reparations... |
fabius |
Aug-05-03 11:23 PM |
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the way I look at it |
dymaxia |
Aug-06-03 03:35 PM |
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Yes, CatWoman |
dmr |
Aug-06-03 12:33 AM |
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I support the concept of reparations |
noonwitch |
Aug-06-03 01:40 PM |
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That's what the reparations people want also |
sangha |
Aug-06-03 02:55 PM |
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Does anybody think this is a winning issue for the democrats? |
whoYaCallinAlib |
Aug-06-03 03:08 PM |
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You are not talking about reparations |
Nederland |
Aug-06-03 03:26 PM |
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No |
ArkDem |
Aug-06-03 04:15 PM |
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It's genetically and historically untenable, because... |
carolinayellowdog |
Aug-06-03 04:30 PM |
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Racism is a system of expoitation, not a personality quirk. |
damnraddem |
Aug-06-03 04:48 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-06-03 05:34 PM |
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I want reparations for all gay people. |
DemLikr |
Aug-07-03 12:38 PM |
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Yes whites, particularly white men, have been |
Clete |
Aug-07-03 12:46 PM |
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