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Response to Reply #213
232. Well?
Where are the launchers? Where are the control centers? Where are the radar arrays? What type of systems are they?

The gov only employs so many types of SAMS. Stinger, Avenger, Patriot-of what do we speak, here? Unless you're trying to make the "Oh, you don't know what kinds of evil lurk beneath" argument, that perhaps James Bond's Austin Martin is parked in the White House garage or that the dome of the Capitol slides back to reveal a giant chemical laser.
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  -LIHOP Doubters Sophree  Mar-23-04 07:40 PM   #0 
  - It was stunning to see the old Gore Vidal scenario from his  swag   Mar-23-04 07:43 PM   #1 
  - and sacrifice so many of their own?  mmonk   Mar-23-04 07:44 PM   #2 
  - Chickenhawk Dick Cheney is not military.  Sophree   Mar-23-04 07:49 PM   #5 
  - exactly  seekthetruth   Mar-23-04 08:57 PM   #19 
  - Very probably.  tom_paine   Mar-24-04 10:35 AM   #25 
     - Dick Cheney is surely an awful human being...  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:06 PM   #45 
     - Yes, he really does.  aquart   Mar-24-04 08:27 PM   #210 
     - He would rejoice at a million casualties because he would  FoeOfBush   Mar-24-04 01:08 PM   #119 
  - Interesting that it hit the empy side huh?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 11:46 AM   #31 
  - And the side that had recently been renovated and reinforced.  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:21 PM   #64 
  - That is the freaky part. You truly have to up your ante to MIHOP  liberalnproud   Mar-24-04 12:25 PM   #71 
  - indeed, the 360 thing is interesting  treepig   Mar-24-04 01:46 PM   #141 
     - Weird  Sliverofhope   Mar-24-04 09:00 PM   #217 
  - Two words: Pearl Harbor.  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:20 PM   #63 
  - Incompetence.  DrWeird   Mar-23-04 07:44 PM   #3 
  - You seriously buy that?  Sophree   Mar-23-04 07:55 PM   #8 
     - Yes.  TomNickell   Mar-23-04 08:24 PM   #14 
     - You don't need the whole military  steviet_2003   Mar-23-04 08:54 PM   #17 
     - You issue a Stand Down order  Sophree   Mar-24-04 10:32 AM   #24 
     - and your background  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 11:42 AM   #29 
     - And what's your background?  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:37 PM   #97 
        - my background is irrelevant  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 12:45 PM   #112 
           - My knowledge of fighter-readiness  Sophree   Mar-24-04 12:53 PM   #116 
           - For God's sake the USAF even scrambles for UFO reports  bobthedrummer   Mar-24-04 01:01 PM   #117 
           - Standard NORAD procedure is to have interceptors ready to take-off...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:11 PM   #122 
           - Yeah, but only from alert bases.  leanings   Mar-24-04 01:19 PM   #126 
           - Wrong. There were seven bases on alert on 911...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:26 PM   #130 
              - OK  leanings   Mar-24-04 01:42 PM   #139 
                 - Of the seven bases mentioned in the article, only Portland and Riverside..  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 02:12 PM   #145 
                    - Is this a serious contention?  leanings   Mar-24-04 02:40 PM   #151 
           - Thanks for posting that.  Sophree   Mar-24-04 01:29 PM   #135 
           - Navy carrier fighters forgotten in discussion (carrier on standby)  mouse7   Mar-24-04 02:08 PM   #144 
           - Which carrier?  leanings   Mar-24-04 02:20 PM   #146 
              - The carrier that was off the coast of NYC 9/12 AM  mouse7   Mar-24-04 03:54 PM   #158 
              - The USS Kennedy, homeported in Mayport FLA  mouse7   Mar-24-04 07:11 PM   #183 
                 - It doesn't mean that the Kennedy was under way.  leanings   Mar-24-04 07:39 PM   #188 
                    - Photographer's Mate caption versus math and common sense  mouse7   Mar-24-04 08:26 PM   #209 
                       - Because it left somewhat unexpectedly? n/t  leanings   Mar-25-04 11:57 AM   #233 
              - Here's the 9/12/01Navy Wire Service story and CNN  mouse7   Mar-24-04 04:14 PM   #159 
                 - I just don't think so.  leanings   Mar-24-04 04:54 PM   #163 
                    - You really think it takes an hour to scamble fighters?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 06:11 PM   #165 
                    - Is this comment directed at the carrier issue?  leanings   Mar-24-04 06:40 PM   #170 
                       - You have experience with AIR FORCE aircraft, not carriers  mouse7   Mar-24-04 07:08 PM   #179 
                       - When was your DOS?  leanings   Mar-24-04 07:40 PM   #190 
                          - When did you learn how to read? Can't even read basic Navy presser  mouse7   Mar-24-04 08:03 PM   #202 
                             - I've no standing?  leanings   Mar-25-04 11:51 AM   #231 
                       - No  Sterling   Mar-24-04 07:39 PM   #189 
                          - You can believe what you wish  leanings   Mar-24-04 08:06 PM   #203 
                             - I believe it's hard to use unarmed airliners to defeat US airpower  mouse7   Mar-24-04 08:17 PM   #207 
                             - And no surface to air either?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 08:32 PM   #212 
                             - I didn't invent this.  Sterling   Mar-24-04 08:31 PM   #211 
                                - You've provided nothing.  leanings   Mar-25-04 11:59 AM   #234 
                    - Ahhh... you believe carriers on stand-by are without air-to-air assets?  mouse7   Mar-24-04 06:58 PM   #175 
                       - Again, I've never seen any evidence  leanings   Mar-24-04 07:13 PM   #185 
                       - You clearly know Air Force, NOT Navy info  mouse7   Mar-24-04 07:53 PM   #198 
                          - I don't know how much plainer this could be.  leanings   Mar-24-04 08:02 PM   #200 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-24-04 08:09 PM   #205 
                       - It is safe to say there were many ways to protect DC  Sterling   Mar-24-04 07:42 PM   #191 
                          - It's safe to say that you're not aware any SAM systems in DC.  leanings   Mar-24-04 08:03 PM   #201 
                             - Actually I am  Sterling   Mar-24-04 08:35 PM   #213 
                                - Well?  leanings   Mar-25-04 11:54 AM   #232 
           - They don't quite. But you are close. Think fire house.  TankLV   Mar-24-04 10:17 PM   #225 
     - This might sound awful but...  skypilot   Mar-24-04 11:49 AM   #33 
  - Another point  camero   Mar-23-04 07:47 PM   #4 
  - Insulting my intelligence is no way to win me over  Droopy   Mar-23-04 07:53 PM   #6 
  - Correct you are  swag   Mar-23-04 07:56 PM   #9 
  - The extraordinary claim is that they couldn't scramble in time.  aquart   Mar-24-04 08:39 PM   #214 
  - Didn't mean to insult your intelligence.  Sophree   Mar-23-04 08:02 PM   #12 
  - Are you accepting the theory offered by the NeoCon Junta?...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:23 PM   #67 
  - What I'm saying is that  Droopy   Mar-24-04 12:33 PM   #87 
  - How did you manage to think that your intelligence...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:29 PM   #80 
     - The original poster clearly said  Droopy   Mar-24-04 12:36 PM   # 
        - I didn't mean it that way  Sophree   Mar-24-04 12:44 PM   #110 
        - So, stating that you have "blinders on" is insulting your intelligence?...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:50 PM   #115 
           - The original poster asked non-believers to post on this thread  Droopy   Mar-24-04 01:10 PM   #120 
              - No, you're definitely picking a fight when you take offense at a comment..  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:18 PM   #124 
              - I'm not picking a fight  Droopy   Mar-24-04 01:28 PM   #133 
                 - That phrase has been used for as long as I can remember...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:39 PM   #138 
                    - I've had enough of this  Droopy   Mar-24-04 01:53 PM   #142 
                       - Definition of the term "blinders" from Dictionary.com...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 02:21 PM   #147 
                          - Here's another good one:  leanings   Mar-24-04 02:44 PM   #153 
              - You are right.  Sophree   Mar-24-04 01:18 PM   #125 
                 - IMHO, you have posted nothing for which you should have to apologize.  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:27 PM   #132 
                 - Apology accepted  Droopy   Mar-24-04 01:29 PM   #136 
  - be advised the protocol is automatic unless countermanded  lastknowngood   Mar-23-04 07:54 PM   #7 
  - Do you have any links or documentation for that?  steviet_2003   Mar-23-04 08:00 PM   #11 
  - "There must have been a military order. There is no other logical explanat  seabeyond   Mar-23-04 07:58 PM   #10 
  - ROFLMAO!  TomNickell   Mar-23-04 08:20 PM   #13 
  - 2 words: Payne Stuart  TankLV   Mar-23-04 08:27 PM   #15 
  - not so  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 12:04 PM   #44 
     - Several hours?  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:15 PM   #57 
     - Facts  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 12:40 PM   #106 
     - Nothing in my statement was in error.  TankLV   Mar-24-04 10:11 PM   #223 
  - "The plane is 50 miles out", "The plane is 30 miles out".  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 11:59 AM   #37 
  - You're making all kinds of friends on this thread, aren't you?  Indiana Democrat   Mar-24-04 12:46 PM   #113 
     - To be honest, there are a lot less posters in this thread claiming...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:29 PM   #137 
  - Are you forgetting that the air defenses were undergoing an  Solomon   Mar-24-04 12:06 PM   #46 
  - I always wondered why she was allowed to get on that plane  liberalnproud   Mar-24-04 12:34 PM   #89 
     - The poor woman died  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:37 PM   #98 
        - She was a bitch for one thing.  liberalnproud   Mar-24-04 12:42 PM   #108 
        - "Poor woman"? She was a NeoCon attack dog. She said things about...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 01:21 PM   #128 
           - Look, I'm not debating her personally  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 01:28 PM   #134 
              - If she had shown even one iota of respect for any of the Democrats on...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 02:24 PM   #148 
                 - Oh come on  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 02:46 PM   #154 
  - It's not what I would call a funny situation.  Sophree   Mar-24-04 12:38 PM   #101 
  - why wasn't an evacuation ordered?  gasperc   Mar-23-04 08:35 PM   #16 
  - What about SAM or other AA missles  Sterling   Mar-24-04 11:50 AM   #34 
     - They do now  leanings   Mar-24-04 01:12 PM   #123 
        - Yes they in fact did.  Sterling   Mar-24-04 06:26 PM   #168 
        - Stingers.  leanings   Mar-24-04 06:56 PM   #174 
           - So stingers at least.  Sterling   Mar-24-04 07:46 PM   #194 
              - They wouldn't have done the job.  leanings   Mar-24-04 07:55 PM   #199 
        - I believe paraniod ronnie ray-gun had them installed during his occupation  TankLV   Mar-24-04 10:28 PM   #227 
           - How many buildings are there in DC  leanings   Mar-25-04 12:01 PM   #235 
  - sophree  seekthetruth   Mar-23-04 08:55 PM   #18 
  - To be honest...  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 09:42 PM   #222 
  - Prove to me there is no Santa Claus.  Indiana Democrat   Mar-23-04 08:58 PM   #20 
  - DING DING DING DING DING!  Selwynn   Mar-23-04 09:25 PM   #22 
  - Funny  Sterling   Mar-24-04 11:57 AM   #36 
  - Show you some positive evidence??  sangh0   Mar-24-04 12:13 PM   #55 
  - LOL!  Indiana Democrat   Mar-24-04 12:29 PM   #79 
     - No amount of evidence will ever convince those who don't believe...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:36 PM   #94 
        - Yes, isn't it funny...  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 06:55 PM   #173 
  - Positive evidence? Oh, I'll show you positive evidence!  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 06:59 PM   #176 
     - And not one point will be addressed  Sterling   Mar-24-04 07:48 PM   #195 
  - Wait, did Santa crash a plane into the Pentagon?  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:01 PM   #39 
  - The "Stupid Shit" comes from the conspiracy kooks.  Indiana Democrat   Mar-24-04 12:25 PM   #72 
     - You couldn't touch a nerve of mine if  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:27 PM   #78 
     - Well, I certainly made you get personal.  Indiana Democrat   Mar-24-04 12:30 PM   #82 
     - It ain't personal,  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:36 PM   #93 
     - Come on  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:31 PM   #84 
        - He's lashing-out.  Indiana Democrat   Mar-24-04 12:35 PM   #90 
        - Nice vector,  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:37 PM   #99 
        - Simply insulting people  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:39 PM   #103 
           - What insult?  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:41 PM   #107 
        - Yeah...  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:38 PM   #100 
           - Try to follow along,  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:39 PM   #104 
        - I'm trying to save his life.  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:38 PM   #102 
     - I think we can remain civil enough to refrain from...  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 08:07 PM   #204 
        - Maybe we can ask Skinner to make people observe the rules?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 08:40 PM   #215 
           - Indeed, It is a personal attack  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 08:45 PM   #216 
  - Well I have personally been doing his job for several years now.  liberalnproud   Mar-24-04 12:36 PM   #95 
  - Here is a counter-query.  TinaTyson   Mar-23-04 09:23 PM   #21 
  - What is up with that? Why 9-11 what does that mean?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:03 PM   #42 
     - it means "State of Emergency"  Must_B_Free   Mar-24-04 07:08 PM   #180 
     - 9/11/1991 ... that was the day Poppy said...  They_LIHOP   Mar-24-04 07:12 PM   #184 
  - If LIHOP, then why did BushCo press for the Iraq connection?  FlashHarry   Mar-23-04 09:27 PM   #23 
  - "WE" were marginalized before 9-11...  Q   Mar-24-04 11:28 AM   #28 
  - Read PNAC  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:07 PM   #49 
  - Iraq is the reason for LIHOP  rman   Mar-24-04 12:10 PM   #52 
     - That still doesn't answer my question.  FlashHarry   Mar-24-04 12:22 PM   #65 
        - Again, read the PNAC document about "Rebuilding America"...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:27 PM   #76 
        - I've read it. It still doesn't wash with the facts.  FlashHarry   Mar-24-04 01:59 PM   #143 
           - I guess it doesn't mean much to you that "Rebuild America" was...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 02:35 PM   #149 
           - Junior could EASILY be out of the loop...  They_LIHOP   Mar-24-04 07:17 PM   #186 
           - He knew what was going on  Sophree   Mar-24-04 06:48 PM   #171 
        - Not chaos, but spinning and manipulating  Sterling   Mar-24-04 05:58 PM   #164 
           - Great post.  Sophree   Mar-24-04 06:53 PM   #172 
              - Right, they are not gods either.  Sterling   Mar-24-04 06:59 PM   #177 
  - Flame me if you want...  Heyo   Mar-24-04 10:49 AM   #26 
  - The jokes on you pal.  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:02 PM   #40 
     - Actually the joke is on all of us.  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:09 PM   #51 
        - Sad but true.  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:22 PM   #66 
  - I take it you're unfamiliar with the military acronym SNAFU...  JHB   Mar-24-04 11:13 AM   #27 
  - What a poor premise to support your position...  Abaques   Mar-24-04 11:44 AM   #30 
  - Well if you had never actually looked into it  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:12 PM   #54 
  - I would argue that the premise of the thread starting post was insulting..  Abaques   Mar-24-04 12:23 PM   #69 
     - I am not lecturing  Sterling   Mar-24-04 01:03 PM   #118 
     - If you actually look at all the facts  Sophree   Mar-24-04 07:07 PM   #178 
     - I agree that Sophree crossed the line...  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 09:10 PM   #218 
  - Of course, we could briefly mention "Star Wars".  TankLV   Mar-24-04 10:39 PM   #228 
  - When a shred of evidence appears  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 11:46 AM   #32 
  - Um that is not the other sides arguement  Sterling   Mar-24-04 11:53 AM   #35 
  - You misunderstand my position.  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 12:08 PM   #50 
     - there is plenty circumstantial evidence to warrant an investigation  rman   Mar-24-04 12:16 PM   #58 
     - No, we understand exactly how you are ignoring the evidence  sangh0   Mar-24-04 12:17 PM   #59 
     - Innocent until proven guilty  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:19 PM   #61 
     - Our "system" would have them on trial for this by now  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:24 PM   #70 
     - Yes, we can agree that there should be an investigation  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:26 PM   #75 
     - Only in a court of law, Sir  sangh0   Mar-24-04 02:39 PM   #150 
     - No, of course not,  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 02:50 PM   #155 
        - It depends  sangh0   Mar-24-04 03:40 PM   #156 
           - Here's the problem  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 04:26 PM   #161 
     - the coup established their guilt  noiretblu   Mar-24-04 06:18 PM   #166 
     - huh?  WorstPresidentEver   Mar-24-04 12:47 PM   #114 
        - That's more than you have shown  sangh0   Mar-24-04 02:41 PM   #152 
           - thanks for pointing this out, snagh0  noiretblu   Mar-24-04 06:21 PM   #167 
     - Keep telling yourself there's no evidence  Minstrel Boy   Mar-24-04 12:18 PM   #60 
     - I too get a laugh out of the "no evidence" crap  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:26 PM   #74 
     - I see it differently  Sterling   Mar-24-04 12:20 PM   #62 
  - Careful there ;-)  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:03 PM   #41 
  - Unfortunately, you choose to see what you want, in spite of the  TankLV   Mar-24-04 10:52 PM   #229 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-24-04 12:00 PM   #38 
  - Nicely put  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 12:04 PM   #43 
  - My arse!  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:10 PM   #53 
  - Compared to what, exactly?  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:31 PM   #86 
  - What does my waist have to do with anything?  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:07 PM   #47 
  - Hey, I've got an 18-inch waist!  Bridget Burke   Mar-24-04 12:30 PM   #81 
     - Ooh, very saucy.  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:44 PM   #109 
  - there won't be any actual evidence untill there's an investigation.  rman   Mar-24-04 12:23 PM   #68 
  - I've read that website, and I haven't been convinced  Bombtrack   Mar-24-04 12:36 PM   #96 
     - Oh I see see we all must hate the jews.  Sterling   Mar-24-04 06:38 PM   #169 
     - Still waiting?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 07:51 PM   #196 
  - It's paranoid, but it ain't crazy.  chimpymustgo   Mar-24-04 12:27 PM   #77 
  - Not any more extraordinary than the so-called "evidence" produced...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-24-04 12:31 PM   #83 
  - then why post to threads like these  seekthetruth   Mar-24-04 12:31 PM   #85 
  - I'm a firm believer that most of the nutters are disruptors.  Indiana Democrat   Mar-24-04 12:33 PM   #88 
  - A lot of people on this thread are saying...  skypilot   Mar-24-04 12:07 PM   #48 
  - Nice post. There are way too many red flags  bobbyboucher   Mar-24-04 12:25 PM   #73 
  - as if they were all following a SCRIPT  bpilgrim   Mar-24-04 07:18 PM   #187 
  - Yep....Mihop all the way!!!!.Hey, lihoppers, I don't want top believe  goforit   Mar-24-04 12:14 PM   #56 
  - did you see this?  notadmblnd   Mar-24-04 12:35 PM   #91 
  - Your thread was what prompted me to ask this question again.  Sophree   Mar-24-04 01:11 PM   #121 
  - If it was an intelligence failure, shouldn't there be reprimands and  Minstrel Boy   Mar-24-04 12:35 PM   #92 
  - Exactly  Sophree   Mar-24-04 01:45 PM   #140 
  - Addressed by unanswered questions dot org  Monica_L   Mar-24-04 12:40 PM   #105 
  - Consider PNAC when discussing LIHOP-one of the many reasons to  bobthedrummer   Mar-24-04 12:44 PM   #111 
  - Ding, ding, ding! Bingo, Sophree!  ElementaryPenguin   Mar-24-04 01:21 PM   #127 
  - I'm probably opening a whole 'nother can of worms, but...  robertpaulsen   Mar-24-04 01:22 PM   #129 
  - SORRY not LIHOP but MIHOP  rayantoky   Mar-24-04 01:27 PM   #131 
  - Yep, yep  leanings   Mar-24-04 04:15 PM   #160 
     - You destroy the purpose of this list with your inane comments.  rayantoky   Mar-24-04 04:27 PM   #162 
        - Projected holograms?  sir_captain   Mar-24-04 10:12 PM   #224 
  - also interesting how a part of the ...  shooga   Mar-24-04 03:50 PM   #157 
  - and cheney refers to himself as  Must_B_Free   Mar-24-04 07:10 PM   #182 
  - So a government that is so incompetent that it can't account for billions  x-g.o.p.er   Mar-24-04 07:10 PM   #181 
  - Yeah, that's what we're saying.  Sophree   Mar-24-04 07:43 PM   #192 
  - Hold on there, cowboy!  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 07:45 PM   #193 
  - The government can't account for TRILLIONS. Did they just lose it?  Minstrel Boy   Mar-24-04 07:52 PM   #197 
     - Yeah, right!  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 08:13 PM   #206 
  - ?  Sterling   Mar-24-04 08:20 PM   #208 
  - you know, you can lead a horse to water...  thinkergratis   Mar-24-04 09:20 PM   #220 
     - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 09:38 PM   #221 
  - Sophree  Aquarian_Conspirator   Mar-24-04 09:17 PM   #219 
  - Sophree - keep your "blinders" on!  TankLV   Mar-24-04 11:12 PM   #230 
  - Somebody Ordered A Stand Down  stepnw1f   Mar-24-04 10:24 PM   #226 
 

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