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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 04:38 PM
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17. They aren't archtypes, they are stereotypes
and they are for the most part at the root of the abortion debates. For some reason some people cannot fathom a woman making all the choices concerning her reproductive health..in fact one of the threads was started by a woman that is so nuts she should be the last person commenting on anyone else's mental health.
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  -Does the State have a compelling reason to restrict Abortion? noiretblu  Mar-18-04 03:50 PM   #0 
  - there is NO compelling reason to restrict abortion,....it's done by  amen1234   Mar-18-04 03:53 PM   #1 
  - And impregnating their mistresses  prodigal_green   Mar-18-04 03:56 PM   #2 
  - On the other hand...  RoeBear   Mar-18-04 04:20 PM   #13 
     - correct...which is why i hope to discuss  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:36 PM   #16 
  - Are you asking if the state has a "compelling public interest" in  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 03:59 PM   #3 
  - i agree...i guess what i getting at is: archtypes  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:16 PM   #8 
  - The Right Wing likes to pretend it isn't the governments fault that life  AP   Mar-18-04 04:18 PM   #11 
  - yes...i'd like to discuss how they do it  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:28 PM   #15 
  - They aren't archtypes, they are stereotypes  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 04:38 PM   #17 
     - they are stereotypes...  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:48 PM   #22 
  - Abortion has been with us a very long time.  izzie   Mar-18-04 04:45 PM   #18 
  - For most women, going to the gynecologist is a big deal  RationalRose   Mar-18-04 04:03 PM   #4 
  - RationalRose,  Deb-Ter   Mar-19-04 09:44 AM   #86 
     - Would you have been happier if she died and the child survived?  RationalRose   Mar-19-04 11:19 AM   #95 
        - RationalRose,  Deb-Ter   Mar-19-04 12:04 PM   #105 
           - Deb-Ter...  Zookeeper   Mar-19-04 12:21 PM   #110 
              - Zookeeper,  Deb-Ter   Mar-19-04 12:34 PM   #112 
  - prohibiting late-term abortions are just the first step to restricting any  tandot   Mar-18-04 04:06 PM   #5 
  - tandot,  Deb-Ter   Mar-19-04 09:49 AM   #87 
     - Deb-Ter:  tandot   Mar-19-04 10:23 AM   #90 
     - Some medical conditions that may require late term abortion  kayell   Mar-19-04 10:29 AM   #91 
     - kayell,  Deb-Ter   Mar-19-04 12:10 PM   #107 
     - Eclampsia-seizure and stroke nearly killed my sister-in-law  RationalRose   Mar-19-04 11:59 AM   #104 
        - RationalRose,  Deb-Ter   Mar-19-04 12:08 PM   #106 
  - I of the Beholder  orwell   Mar-18-04 04:06 PM   #6 
  - If a fetus is a legal person  patsified   Mar-18-04 04:19 PM   #12 
  - Yes, I always cringe when the legal boundary is blurred.  July   Mar-18-04 05:46 PM   #51 
  - State of Being  orwell   Mar-18-04 06:46 PM   #64 
  - certainly you could, but  Pax_Rat   Mar-18-04 08:41 PM   #78 
     - Slight difference  patsified   Mar-19-04 04:22 AM   #80 
  - i agree...but i think it has a lot to do with how women  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:24 PM   #14 
     - Prose Colored Glasses  orwell   Mar-18-04 07:27 PM   #74 
        - thanks, orwell  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 07:45 PM   #76 
           - Choice Point  orwell   Mar-18-04 08:21 PM   #77 
              - personal morality vs. public ethics...i agree  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:23 AM   #97 
              - personal morality vs. public ethics...i agree  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:23 AM   #98 
  - If they can't control their bodies they can be used and viewed  lastknowngood   Mar-18-04 04:14 PM   #7 
  - The first state to ban abortions was New York back in the  FloridaPat   Mar-18-04 04:17 PM   #9 
  - One comment/question  redqueen   Mar-19-04 09:35 AM   #84 
     - perhaps you need to contact the hospital  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:28 AM   #99 
  - I once shut someone up  ginbarn   Mar-18-04 04:17 PM   #10 
  - Maybe everyone should ask DU's favorite VP - McCain.. nt  zwade   Mar-18-04 04:45 PM   #19 
  - We will never know  Nederland   Mar-18-04 04:47 PM   #20 
  - it seems that is appropriate  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:54 PM   #23 
  - How do you know this?  Nederland   Mar-18-04 04:59 PM   #26 
     - because i, and several women i know acutally HAD abortions  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:04 PM   #27 
     - Anecdotal Evidence doesn't count  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:06 PM   #30 
        - is MY abortion anecdotal too?  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:07 PM   #31 
        - Yes  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:20 PM   #36 
           - actually having an abortion is not a casual observation  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:25 PM   #40 
              - Good Lord  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:29 PM   #43 
                 - i am merely pointing out that the SOURCE of a scientific study  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 06:51 PM   #65 
                    - self-deleted  redqueen   Mar-19-04 09:39 AM   #85 
        - and while we're at it...any comments of the archetypes  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:08 PM   #32 
     - Because, they keep records of patients with complications  sangh0   Mar-18-04 05:08 PM   #33 
        - good point  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:10 PM   #34 
           - Found a good Example  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:44 PM   #50 
              - That's a straw man, Nederland  sangh0   Mar-18-04 05:58 PM   #58 
  - actually I would argue that we know far more about breast implants  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 05:20 PM   #37 
  - The left wing may have blocked data collection on actual abortions  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 05:23 PM   #38 
  - You obviously haven't heard about the Alan Guttmacher Institute  Susang   Mar-19-04 08:25 PM   #147 
  - The only bases would be:  damnraddem   Mar-18-04 04:48 PM   #21 
  - No evidence  Nederland   Mar-18-04 04:55 PM   #24 
     - no data...i find that hard to believe  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 04:56 PM   #25 
        - And for good reason. It's just not true  sangh0   Mar-18-04 05:05 PM   #28 
           - no data that confirms what some want to believe  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:06 PM   #29 
           - Show Me  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:16 PM   #35 
              - Planned Parenthood blocked this for good reason  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 05:27 PM   #42 
              - So do you agree with me  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:30 PM   #44 
                 - I haven't searched for it so I don't know if your statement is true or not  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 05:37 PM   #47 
                    - I think you two might be talking past each other  sangh0   Mar-18-04 05:41 PM   #48 
                    - I was assuming that he meant long term studies when he said DATA  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 05:48 PM   #52 
                    - No, you are right. My bad  sangh0   Mar-18-04 06:01 PM   #59 
                    - Agreed  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:48 PM   #53 
                       - Thanks  sangh0   Mar-18-04 06:07 PM   #60 
                    - Thanks  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:58 PM   #57 
              - Show you?  sangh0   Mar-18-04 05:35 PM   #46 
              - Actually women with silicon implants found out by us lawyers  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 05:41 PM   #49 
              - I did not know that, but it does support my argument  sangh0   Mar-18-04 06:09 PM   #61 
              - Missing the Point  Nederland   Mar-18-04 05:55 PM   #55 
                 - There is data on long-term effects.  sangh0   Mar-18-04 06:13 PM   #62 
                 - where is the data i asked for in MY ORIGINAL POST?!?!  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 07:18 PM   #71 
                    - I give up  Nederland   Mar-19-04 09:21 AM   #81 
                       - I understand what you're saying  sangh0   Mar-19-04 01:24 PM   #118 
                          - i found many pro-life sites with statistics  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:14 PM   #126 
                 - But heck Nederlands...that has less to do even with privacy issues than  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-18-04 06:43 PM   #63 
              - here's something just for you  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 07:15 PM   #70 
              - PubMed  justjones   Mar-18-04 09:45 PM   #79 
              - Thanks  Nederland   Mar-19-04 09:26 AM   #82 
                 - Let's see if this works....  justjones   Mar-19-04 12:56 PM   #116 
              - Here's one recent bone of contention disproven  Susang   Mar-19-04 08:37 PM   #149 
  - The question is moot.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-18-04 05:25 PM   #39 
  - i like your answer....thanks! eom  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 05:25 PM   #41 
  - You're welcome. More.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-18-04 05:30 PM   #45 
     - i'm with you: fuck them all!!!!  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 06:53 PM   #66 
        - These rights-taking, bible-misquoting, psuedo-moralistic snapperheads  MadProphetMargin   Mar-18-04 07:15 PM   #69 
           - madprophetmargin  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 07:19 PM   #72 
              - Heh. Thanks.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-18-04 07:20 PM   #73 
                 - I liked your answer too, but unfortunately, it's not true  sangh0   Mar-19-04 01:28 PM   #120 
                    - I was speaking in terms of theory, not reality...after all, we have  MadProphetMargin   Mar-19-04 07:30 PM   #145 
                       - Yes, that' why I liked it  sangha   Mar-19-04 08:29 PM   #148 
                          - Yep. I still like Jefferson's word for the condition of rights:  MadProphetMargin   Mar-20-04 04:43 PM   #159 
  - I agree.  Shifty-Eyed Llama   Mar-18-04 05:57 PM   #56 
  - I'm not sure the anti abortion movement came about specifically  paulk   Mar-18-04 05:55 PM   #54 
  - religious beliefs...about women, perhaps?  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 06:54 PM   #67 
     - definitely.  paulk   Mar-18-04 07:31 PM   #75 
  - abortion statistics...i just did an internet search  noiretblu   Mar-18-04 07:13 PM   #68 
  - what???  iverglas   Mar-19-04 09:34 AM   #83 
  - iverglas....  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:07 AM   #93 
     - There is no real call for discussion here  redqueen   Mar-19-04 11:37 AM   #101 
        - i am wrong...prove it: that's the challenge  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:47 AM   #102 
           - See?  redqueen   Mar-19-04 11:56 AM   #103 
              - your reasons are not invalid  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 12:13 PM   #108 
                 - Why do the pro-choice camp's beliefs trump the law?  redqueen   Mar-19-04 12:29 PM   #111 
                    - i doubt there will ever be consensus  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 12:53 PM   #115 
                    - I think there will  redqueen   Mar-19-04 01:20 PM   #117 
                       - She only 'loses her ability to make her own decisions' once those decision  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:23 PM   #128 
                          - That's the problem  redqueen   Mar-19-04 02:57 PM   #133 
                             - it's actually possible, you know  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 03:13 PM   #137 
                    - A middle ground on abortion is possible imo  Yupster   Mar-20-04 12:49 AM   #151 
  - Let me rephrase the question:  demwing   Mar-19-04 09:55 AM   #88 
  - start you own thread  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:09 AM   #94 
     - No offense meant.  demwing   Mar-19-04 11:20 AM   #96 
        - define "unnecessary" please  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 11:34 AM   #100 
           - Define Unecessary?  demwing   Mar-19-04 12:17 PM   #109 
              - that's seems like a resonable definition to me  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 12:34 PM   #113 
                 - Yeah, Bush seems pro-Death to me  demwing   Mar-19-04 12:52 PM   #114 
                    - "So many..."  redqueen   Mar-19-04 01:26 PM   #119 
                       - your point is moot, actually  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 01:57 PM   #122 
                          - Healthcare, yes  redqueen   Mar-19-04 02:02 PM   #123 
                             - define "unnecessary"  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:24 PM   #129 
                                - Yeah, frequent stumbling block  redqueen   Mar-19-04 02:58 PM   #134 
                                - a girl is tricked into having sex  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 03:42 PM   #140 
                                   - I can't respond to this situation  demwing   Mar-19-04 06:52 PM   #141 
                                      - If the woman does NOT wish to be a mother  Karenina   Mar-19-04 07:23 PM   #144 
                                         - Slow down  demwing   Mar-19-04 10:45 PM   #150 
                                            - "the reality of the situation..."  Karenina   Mar-20-04 07:34 AM   #155 
                                - Wrong!  demwing   Mar-19-04 06:53 PM   #142 
                                   - define an "unecessary abortion"  noiretblu   Mar-20-04 05:55 PM   #161 
  - I see at least one of these posts every day  Dark Angel   Mar-19-04 10:10 AM   #89 
  - No Compelling Reason  RobinA   Mar-19-04 10:39 AM   #92 
  - Of course not. There are compelling reasons for preventing millions of  leesa   Mar-19-04 01:37 PM   #121 
  - How Does What You Are Saying Here  outinforce   Mar-19-04 02:06 PM   #124 
  - is "reverance for life" really a value of this country?  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:11 PM   #125 
     - Halle-freaking-lujah!  redqueen   Mar-19-04 02:15 PM   #127 
        - tell me: is that the case NOW?  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:27 PM   #130 
           - It is for some, not so much for others  redqueen   Mar-19-04 03:01 PM   #135 
              - i see you are consistent  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 03:22 PM   #139 
  - someone please: show me examples of the "reverance for life"  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:30 PM   #131 
  - They're in Kucinich's platform.  redqueen   Mar-19-04 03:02 PM   #136 
     - kucinich is a righteous man  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 03:16 PM   #138 
  - consensus: no compelling reason...or interest  noiretblu   Mar-19-04 02:34 PM   #132 
  - Then you're not paying attention  demwing   Mar-20-04 09:47 AM   #156 
  - that is bunk  dsc   Mar-19-04 06:55 PM   #143 
  - if it's not your fetus...what business is it of yours?  noiretblu   Mar-20-04 04:30 PM   #157 
  - My thoughts on the matter  Susang   Mar-19-04 08:00 PM   #146 
  - Your thoughts on the matter  Kool Kitty   Mar-20-04 01:58 AM   #154 
  - the rw argues the "abuse" angle  noiretblu   Mar-20-04 04:38 PM   #158 
  - Even if both men & women bore children, still see abortion as anti-life?  lostnfound   Mar-20-04 01:19 AM   #152 
  - IMHO, the obligation is incumbent upon the anti-choicers  Crowdance   Mar-20-04 05:21 PM   #160 
  - No Compelling Reason At All Whatsoever  REP   Mar-20-04 01:23 AM   #153 
 

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