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Thu Mar-18-04 04:24 PM
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| 14. i agree...but i think it has a lot to do with how women |
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are viewed as well. i was hoping to get a discussion going about how the cultural myths/beliefs/achetypes/whatever about women influence the debate.
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| -Does the State have a compelling reason to restrict Abortion? |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 03:50 PM |
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there is NO compelling reason to restrict abortion,....it's done by |
amen1234 |
Mar-18-04 03:53 PM |
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And impregnating their mistresses |
prodigal_green |
Mar-18-04 03:56 PM |
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On the other hand... |
RoeBear |
Mar-18-04 04:20 PM |
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correct...which is why i hope to discuss |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:36 PM |
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Are you asking if the state has a "compelling public interest" in |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 03:59 PM |
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i agree...i guess what i getting at is: archtypes |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:16 PM |
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The Right Wing likes to pretend it isn't the governments fault that life |
AP |
Mar-18-04 04:18 PM |
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yes...i'd like to discuss how they do it |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:28 PM |
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They aren't archtypes, they are stereotypes |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 04:38 PM |
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they are stereotypes... |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:48 PM |
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Abortion has been with us a very long time. |
izzie |
Mar-18-04 04:45 PM |
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For most women, going to the gynecologist is a big deal |
RationalRose |
Mar-18-04 04:03 PM |
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RationalRose, |
Deb-Ter |
Mar-19-04 09:44 AM |
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Would you have been happier if she died and the child survived? |
RationalRose |
Mar-19-04 11:19 AM |
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RationalRose, |
Deb-Ter |
Mar-19-04 12:04 PM |
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Deb-Ter... |
Zookeeper |
Mar-19-04 12:21 PM |
#110 |
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Zookeeper, |
Deb-Ter |
Mar-19-04 12:34 PM |
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prohibiting late-term abortions are just the first step to restricting any |
tandot |
Mar-18-04 04:06 PM |
#5 |
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tandot, |
Deb-Ter |
Mar-19-04 09:49 AM |
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Deb-Ter: |
tandot |
Mar-19-04 10:23 AM |
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Some medical conditions that may require late term abortion |
kayell |
Mar-19-04 10:29 AM |
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kayell, |
Deb-Ter |
Mar-19-04 12:10 PM |
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Eclampsia-seizure and stroke nearly killed my sister-in-law |
RationalRose |
Mar-19-04 11:59 AM |
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RationalRose, |
Deb-Ter |
Mar-19-04 12:08 PM |
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I of the Beholder |
orwell |
Mar-18-04 04:06 PM |
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If a fetus is a legal person |
patsified |
Mar-18-04 04:19 PM |
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Yes, I always cringe when the legal boundary is blurred. |
July |
Mar-18-04 05:46 PM |
#51 |
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State of Being |
orwell |
Mar-18-04 06:46 PM |
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certainly you could, but |
Pax_Rat |
Mar-18-04 08:41 PM |
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Slight difference |
patsified |
Mar-19-04 04:22 AM |
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i agree...but i think it has a lot to do with how women |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:24 PM |
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Prose Colored Glasses |
orwell |
Mar-18-04 07:27 PM |
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thanks, orwell |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 07:45 PM |
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Choice Point |
orwell |
Mar-18-04 08:21 PM |
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personal morality vs. public ethics...i agree |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:23 AM |
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personal morality vs. public ethics...i agree |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:23 AM |
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If they can't control their bodies they can be used and viewed |
lastknowngood |
Mar-18-04 04:14 PM |
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The first state to ban abortions was New York back in the |
FloridaPat |
Mar-18-04 04:17 PM |
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One comment/question |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 09:35 AM |
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perhaps you need to contact the hospital |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:28 AM |
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I once shut someone up |
ginbarn |
Mar-18-04 04:17 PM |
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Maybe everyone should ask DU's favorite VP - McCain.. nt |
zwade |
Mar-18-04 04:45 PM |
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We will never know |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 04:47 PM |
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it seems that is appropriate |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:54 PM |
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How do you know this? |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 04:59 PM |
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because i, and several women i know acutally HAD abortions |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:04 PM |
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Anecdotal Evidence doesn't count |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:06 PM |
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is MY abortion anecdotal too? |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:07 PM |
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Yes |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:20 PM |
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actually having an abortion is not a casual observation |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:25 PM |
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Good Lord |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:29 PM |
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i am merely pointing out that the SOURCE of a scientific study |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 06:51 PM |
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self-deleted |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 09:39 AM |
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and while we're at it...any comments of the archetypes |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:08 PM |
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Because, they keep records of patients with complications |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 05:08 PM |
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good point |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:10 PM |
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Found a good Example |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:44 PM |
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That's a straw man, Nederland |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 05:58 PM |
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actually I would argue that we know far more about breast implants |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 05:20 PM |
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The left wing may have blocked data collection on actual abortions |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 05:23 PM |
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You obviously haven't heard about the Alan Guttmacher Institute |
Susang |
Mar-19-04 08:25 PM |
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The only bases would be: |
damnraddem |
Mar-18-04 04:48 PM |
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No evidence |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 04:55 PM |
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no data...i find that hard to believe |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 04:56 PM |
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And for good reason. It's just not true |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 05:05 PM |
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no data that confirms what some want to believe |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:06 PM |
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Show Me |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:16 PM |
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Planned Parenthood blocked this for good reason |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 05:27 PM |
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So do you agree with me |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:30 PM |
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I haven't searched for it so I don't know if your statement is true or not |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 05:37 PM |
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I think you two might be talking past each other |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 05:41 PM |
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I was assuming that he meant long term studies when he said DATA |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 05:48 PM |
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No, you are right. My bad |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 06:01 PM |
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Agreed |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:48 PM |
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Thanks |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 06:07 PM |
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Thanks |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:58 PM |
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Show you? |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 05:35 PM |
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Actually women with silicon implants found out by us lawyers |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 05:41 PM |
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I did not know that, but it does support my argument |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 06:09 PM |
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Missing the Point |
Nederland |
Mar-18-04 05:55 PM |
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There is data on long-term effects. |
sangh0 |
Mar-18-04 06:13 PM |
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where is the data i asked for in MY ORIGINAL POST?!?! |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 07:18 PM |
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I give up |
Nederland |
Mar-19-04 09:21 AM |
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I understand what you're saying |
sangh0 |
Mar-19-04 01:24 PM |
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i found many pro-life sites with statistics |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:14 PM |
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But heck Nederlands...that has less to do even with privacy issues than |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-18-04 06:43 PM |
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here's something just for you |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 07:15 PM |
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PubMed |
justjones |
Mar-18-04 09:45 PM |
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Thanks |
Nederland |
Mar-19-04 09:26 AM |
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Let's see if this works.... |
justjones |
Mar-19-04 12:56 PM |
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Here's one recent bone of contention disproven |
Susang |
Mar-19-04 08:37 PM |
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The question is moot. |
MadProphetMargin |
Mar-18-04 05:25 PM |
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i like your answer....thanks! eom |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 05:25 PM |
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You're welcome. More. |
MadProphetMargin |
Mar-18-04 05:30 PM |
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i'm with you: fuck them all!!!! |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 06:53 PM |
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These rights-taking, bible-misquoting, psuedo-moralistic snapperheads |
MadProphetMargin |
Mar-18-04 07:15 PM |
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madprophetmargin |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 07:19 PM |
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Heh. Thanks. |
MadProphetMargin |
Mar-18-04 07:20 PM |
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I liked your answer too, but unfortunately, it's not true |
sangh0 |
Mar-19-04 01:28 PM |
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I was speaking in terms of theory, not reality...after all, we have |
MadProphetMargin |
Mar-19-04 07:30 PM |
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Yes, that' why I liked it |
sangha |
Mar-19-04 08:29 PM |
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Yep. I still like Jefferson's word for the condition of rights: |
MadProphetMargin |
Mar-20-04 04:43 PM |
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I agree. |
Shifty-Eyed Llama |
Mar-18-04 05:57 PM |
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I'm not sure the anti abortion movement came about specifically |
paulk |
Mar-18-04 05:55 PM |
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religious beliefs...about women, perhaps? |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 06:54 PM |
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definitely. |
paulk |
Mar-18-04 07:31 PM |
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abortion statistics...i just did an internet search |
noiretblu |
Mar-18-04 07:13 PM |
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what??? |
iverglas |
Mar-19-04 09:34 AM |
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iverglas.... |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:07 AM |
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There is no real call for discussion here |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 11:37 AM |
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i am wrong...prove it: that's the challenge |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:47 AM |
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See? |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 11:56 AM |
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your reasons are not invalid |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 12:13 PM |
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Why do the pro-choice camp's beliefs trump the law? |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 12:29 PM |
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i doubt there will ever be consensus |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 12:53 PM |
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I think there will |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 01:20 PM |
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She only 'loses her ability to make her own decisions' once those decision |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:23 PM |
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That's the problem |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 02:57 PM |
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it's actually possible, you know |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 03:13 PM |
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A middle ground on abortion is possible imo |
Yupster |
Mar-20-04 12:49 AM |
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Let me rephrase the question: |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 09:55 AM |
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start you own thread |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:09 AM |
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No offense meant. |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 11:20 AM |
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define "unnecessary" please |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 11:34 AM |
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Define Unecessary? |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 12:17 PM |
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that's seems like a resonable definition to me |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 12:34 PM |
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Yeah, Bush seems pro-Death to me |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 12:52 PM |
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"So many..." |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 01:26 PM |
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your point is moot, actually |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 01:57 PM |
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Healthcare, yes |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 02:02 PM |
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define "unnecessary" |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:24 PM |
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Yeah, frequent stumbling block |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 02:58 PM |
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a girl is tricked into having sex |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 03:42 PM |
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I can't respond to this situation |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 06:52 PM |
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If the woman does NOT wish to be a mother |
Karenina |
Mar-19-04 07:23 PM |
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Slow down |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 10:45 PM |
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"the reality of the situation..." |
Karenina |
Mar-20-04 07:34 AM |
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Wrong! |
demwing |
Mar-19-04 06:53 PM |
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define an "unecessary abortion" |
noiretblu |
Mar-20-04 05:55 PM |
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I see at least one of these posts every day |
Dark Angel |
Mar-19-04 10:10 AM |
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No Compelling Reason |
RobinA |
Mar-19-04 10:39 AM |
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Of course not. There are compelling reasons for preventing millions of |
leesa |
Mar-19-04 01:37 PM |
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How Does What You Are Saying Here |
outinforce |
Mar-19-04 02:06 PM |
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is "reverance for life" really a value of this country? |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:11 PM |
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Halle-freaking-lujah! |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 02:15 PM |
#127 |
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tell me: is that the case NOW? |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:27 PM |
#130 |
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It is for some, not so much for others |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 03:01 PM |
#135 |
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i see you are consistent |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 03:22 PM |
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someone please: show me examples of the "reverance for life" |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:30 PM |
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They're in Kucinich's platform. |
redqueen |
Mar-19-04 03:02 PM |
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kucinich is a righteous man |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 03:16 PM |
#138 |
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consensus: no compelling reason...or interest |
noiretblu |
Mar-19-04 02:34 PM |
#132 |
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Then you're not paying attention |
demwing |
Mar-20-04 09:47 AM |
#156 |
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that is bunk |
dsc |
Mar-19-04 06:55 PM |
#143 |
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if it's not your fetus...what business is it of yours? |
noiretblu |
Mar-20-04 04:30 PM |
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My thoughts on the matter |
Susang |
Mar-19-04 08:00 PM |
#146 |
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Your thoughts on the matter |
Kool Kitty |
Mar-20-04 01:58 AM |
#154 |
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the rw argues the "abuse" angle |
noiretblu |
Mar-20-04 04:38 PM |
#158 |
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Even if both men & women bore children, still see abortion as anti-life? |
lostnfound |
Mar-20-04 01:19 AM |
#152 |
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IMHO, the obligation is incumbent upon the anti-choicers |
Crowdance |
Mar-20-04 05:21 PM |
#160 |
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No Compelling Reason At All Whatsoever |
REP |
Mar-20-04 01:23 AM |
#153 |
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