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humble truth Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:21 PM
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16. This one always eats up conservatives
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 01:24 PM by humble truth
The president promised to cap discretionary spending growth at 4% annually, but for the fiscal year ending in 9/03 it stood at 12.5%. Republicans claim to hate that, yet they control the White House and Congress, so try as they may, they can't blame this on us.

Now, your conservative friend is likely to respond that spending had to increase in a time of war or that 9/11 related spending contributed, etc. That's when you get to hit them with this:

"Military spending shot up nearly 17 percent, to $407.3 billion, but nonmilitary discretionary spending also far outpaced Bush's limit, rising 8.7 percent, to $418.6 billion."

and

"White House officials have said the president's 4 percent annual growth cap was never supposed to curtail "one-time" spending requests, such as natural disaster aid or wars. But even if such emergency spending measures are removed, spending jumped last year by 7.9 percent, Hoagland said."

Both from here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28252-2003Nov...

So even if you take away all military spending increases and all disaster and war related increases, spending still increased by 7.9%, or almost double what the president promised.

Oh, and you might want to add these spending increases were funded with a tax cut.

How's that?
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