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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:27 AM
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17. Because
there is still a component of racism. I wouldn't object to adding class consideration into the mix, but nixing any race consideration in AA and not doing anything else about the problem is not a good idea.

Ideally, we would have a more integrated policy to replace AA. Minority heavy schools being funded as well as suburban schools, and so on.
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  -Why don't we just make Affirmitave Action class based already? Mass_Liberal  Feb-26-04 08:16 PM   #0 
  - That would make sense  MikeGalos   Feb-26-04 08:18 PM   #1 
  - Go Mike  beanball   Feb-26-04 08:55 PM   #4 
     - Race is absolutely NOT the issue  kysrsoze   Feb-27-04 04:28 PM   #59 
  - I am down with that.  realpolitik   Feb-26-04 08:20 PM   #2 
  - I think...  Chuletas   Feb-26-04 08:21 PM   #3 
  - Hi Chuletas!!  newyawker99   Feb-27-04 04:32 PM   #60 
  - You are correct Mass-Lib  Yupster   Feb-26-04 11:28 PM   #5 
  - as an Hispanic I have always felt patronized that I am viewed as  tobius   Feb-26-04 11:38 PM   #6 
  - your post is exactly why A/A was created.  progressivebebe   Feb-26-04 11:56 PM   #8 
  - A/A views me as less than. Don't want, don't need the help.  tobius   Feb-27-04 12:38 AM   #11 
     - AA doesn't view you as less than  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 12:50 PM   #20 
        - I am in the highest tax bracket and my 6 yr old  tobius   Feb-27-04 01:21 PM   #26 
           - Here's why  sangh0   Feb-27-04 01:28 PM   #29 
           - don't steal from me. nt  tobius   Feb-27-04 01:29 PM   #32 
           - you may not need AA...are you saying NO ONE does?  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 01:29 PM   #31 
              - AA is discrimination based on race  tobius   Feb-27-04 01:53 PM   #35 
                 - Actually, it's quite the opposite.  TahitiNut   Feb-27-04 03:07 PM   #38 
                 - all excellent points  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 03:34 PM   #40 
                 - I think the most important thing to remmber ...  TahitiNut   Feb-27-04 03:42 PM   #43 
                 - thank you  dymaxia   Feb-27-04 03:53 PM   #47 
                    - As anyone in "the business" will tell you,  TahitiNut   Feb-27-04 04:13 PM   #57 
                 - i will work to make the playing field level  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 03:25 PM   #39 
                    - don't have time to change other peoples attitudes, other than  tobius   Feb-27-04 04:47 PM   #64 
                       - did i mention anything about changing attitudes?  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 04:59 PM   #65 
  - Mr. Mattera, is that you?  tom_paine   Feb-27-04 01:22 PM   #27 
  - Equally weird...Asians get no special treatment, why not?  formernaderite   Feb-27-04 02:58 PM   #37 
     - Facts please?  TheDonkey   Feb-27-04 03:58 PM   #51 
  - because there is still alot of racism and discrimination.  progressivebebe   Feb-26-04 11:51 PM   #7 
  - When the economy is down, racism goes up  MikeGalos   Feb-27-04 12:26 AM   #10 
  - It's a great idea but the pols will never do it  chair094   Feb-27-04 12:07 AM   #9 
  - And while that's a valid need  MikeGalos   Feb-27-04 01:45 AM   #12 
  - But I still have to compete with the rich and well connected  chair094   Feb-27-04 10:19 AM   #16 
  - Yes you do  MikeGalos   Feb-27-04 12:48 PM   #19 
  - Then I propose two AA systems  chair094   Feb-27-04 01:38 PM   #34 
     - AA is not a poverty program  sangh0   Feb-27-04 03:44 PM   #44 
        - Discriminating against someone due to their class is NOT illegal  chair094   Feb-27-04 04:00 PM   #52 
  - White people have to compete with the rich too  sangh0   Feb-27-04 01:29 PM   #30 
  - Faulty assumption  pnb   Feb-27-04 01:37 PM   #33 
  - Basic misconception  Lurking_Argyle   Feb-27-04 02:21 PM   #36 
  - Affirmative Action doesn't buy you a house or your tuition  TheDonkey   Feb-27-04 03:55 PM   #49 
     - good point nt  chair094   Feb-27-04 04:02 PM   #54 
  - Makes sense but then who would the GOP have to kick around?  Hekate   Feb-27-04 04:48 AM   #13 
  - If that solved the problem...  Lurking_Argyle   Feb-27-04 08:19 AM   #14 
  - and the trend has been towards dismantling vs. expanding  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 01:08 PM   #22 
  - The Democrats haven't openly rejoined in Class Warfare yet*  CocaCola58204   Feb-27-04 08:30 AM   #15 
  - Because  Mattforclark   Feb-27-04 10:27 AM   #17 
  - Do you mean income based?  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-27-04 11:23 AM   #18 
  - I have always supported this idea. n/t  John BigBootay   Feb-27-04 12:59 PM   #21 
  - It's the only way.  thingfish   Feb-27-04 01:10 PM   #23 
  - what makes you think THAT would work?  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 01:16 PM   #24 
  - Not a bad idea, but I'm not sure that would be a good use of it  tom_paine   Feb-27-04 01:19 PM   #25 
  - only to the thoughtless.......  distortionmarshall   Feb-27-04 01:27 PM   #28 
  - a very specific history indeed  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 03:39 PM   #41 
  - Okay, I agree...so why do hispanics receive affirmative action?  formernaderite   Feb-27-04 03:40 PM   #42 
     - AA is designed to remedy discrimination  sangh0   Feb-27-04 03:47 PM   #45 
        - Okay, weird but Asian parents at my sons high school...  formernaderite   Feb-27-04 03:55 PM   #50 
           - You should read a book on AA  sangh0   Feb-27-04 04:00 PM   #53 
           - Where do you live?  TheDonkey   Feb-27-04 04:03 PM   #55 
  - So if I enter the middle class people won't discriminate against my race?  TheDonkey   Feb-27-04 03:47 PM   #46 
  - the only solution: fund all schools equally  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 03:53 PM   #48 
  - I agree somewhat.  TheDonkey   Feb-27-04 04:06 PM   #56 
     - oh....i agree with that also, but the real problem won't be solved  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 04:19 PM   #58 
  - No, it doesn't make sense.  durutti   Feb-27-04 04:32 PM   #61 
     - this makes sense: add class, but keep race eom  noiretblu   Feb-27-04 04:33 PM   #62 
     - How bout gender?  Columbia   Feb-27-04 04:43 PM   #63 
 

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