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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #99
111. Just call them Cathars, it's easier to spell.
A very interesting bunch of people, more like Sufi mystics than regular Christians.
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  -Am I the only one here who thinks the 'crucifixion of jesus' is a myth? mike1963  Feb-24-04 06:06 PM   #0 
  - I agree with your dislike of the way Jesus is marketed  wryter2000   Feb-24-04 06:07 PM   #1 
  - Umm  DennisReveni   Feb-24-04 06:16 PM   # 
  - Hmmm ... interesting line ....  white_rider   Feb-24-04 06:20 PM   #26 
  - The Messiah was prophesied  kcwayne   Feb-24-04 08:21 PM   #102 
  - Hardly mentioned by Paul, either  Axel   Feb-24-04 08:36 PM   #117 
  - Albigensians was the usual name given to the heretics, especially  HighTide   Feb-24-04 08:22 PM   #103 
     - Hunted down by the Inquisition and abandoned by the nobles  HighTide   Feb-24-04 08:28 PM   #105 
     - Aren't they the Priory of Sion?  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 08:36 PM   #116 
     - They believed in 'living love' and didn't believe in Crucifixes.  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 08:29 PM   #107 
        - more  HighTide   Feb-24-04 08:38 PM   #118 
           - It is believed that after the fall of Montsegur in 1244  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 08:43 PM   #122 
  - Could be poor record keeping.  snippy   Feb-24-04 06:21 PM   #29 
  - I could swear Seutonius makes reference to it in  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 06:22 PM   #30 
  - That only tells us that  Dookus   Feb-24-04 07:12 PM   #71 
  - Seutonius was writing about Claudius' reign (41-54 AD).  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 07:56 PM   #90 
     - I'll clarify  Dookus   Feb-24-04 08:02 PM   #92 
        - If you like.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 08:12 PM   #95 
        - besides that...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 08:12 PM   #96 
           - That I've never heard.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 08:14 PM   #98 
           - Sorry, "Christ" isn't a name, but a title  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 08:45 PM   #125 
              - No you are wrong...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 08:59 PM   #132 
                 - Again, I'd like to see something to back that up.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 09:01 PM   #134 
                 - More for 'Chrestus'  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:06 PM   #139 
                    - Got it.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 09:08 PM   #140 
                 - Ah- I take it back.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 09:05 PM   #138 
                    - I went through a whole period...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:16 PM   #148 
  - Seutonius was born in 69 CE  kcwayne   Feb-24-04 08:13 PM   #97 
     - Sure it is.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 08:29 PM   #106 
        - Obviously someone had to mention Jesus, or Christianity would not exist  kcwayne   Feb-24-04 08:43 PM   #123 
        - Well, personally, I think it's the stories of miracles and fame that  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 08:47 PM   #126 
        - So I am not following your position  kcwayne   Feb-24-04 09:21 PM   #152 
           - You're assuming a religious argument.  Cat Atomic   Feb-24-04 09:39 PM   #164 
        - Uh, he was known far and wide in a radius of fifty miles  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 08:47 PM   #127 
           - I am not claiming he was known far and wide, but the Gospels say he was  kcwayne   Feb-24-04 09:11 PM   #144 
           - The early Christians were not into leaving stone tablets  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 09:21 PM   #151 
              - Deny evidence all you want,, I don't care  kcwayne   Feb-24-04 09:34 PM   #160 
              - Very passionate argument indeed...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:36 PM   #161 
           - Records from that period are actually pretty good  starroute   Feb-24-04 09:37 PM   #162 
        - "Just" 80 years?  stopbush   Feb-25-04 02:41 AM   #178 
           - Its worse than that  kcwayne   Feb-25-04 07:21 AM   #181 
  - Might be some dental records someplace.  oneighty   Feb-24-04 06:55 PM   #58 
     - Payroll records?  LiberalFighter   Feb-24-04 08:25 PM   #104 
     - good one!  dionysus   Feb-24-04 08:40 PM   #119 
  - Sorry friend but you are wrong...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 06:38 PM   #47 
  - You Wanna See Marketing?  Crisco   Feb-24-04 08:43 PM   #121 
  - Hmmm. Something tells me this thread may get a wee bit heated.  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 06:08 PM   #2 
  - All the while...  LoZoccolo   Feb-24-04 06:11 PM   #5 
     - Give it 50 posts. It'll have everything to do with politics by then.  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 06:13 PM   #10 
        - By 40 it should have the word "fundy" or "fundies" in it.  LoZoccolo   Feb-24-04 06:15 PM   #15 
           - We don't need a bet, it's a scientific fact!  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 06:16 PM   #18 
              - Ha...not counting mine of course.  LoZoccolo   Feb-24-04 06:17 PM   #21 
  - You may want to read  DennisReveni   Feb-24-04 06:10 PM   #3 
  - I always thought it was a bunch of guys that got drunk  demsrule4life   Feb-24-04 06:10 PM   #4 
  - The idea that Christianity is the result of some fratboy joke...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 08:19 PM   #100 
     - Beware religion  Walt Starr   Feb-24-04 08:30 PM   #109 
        - become your own priest then. (n/t)  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 08:36 PM   #115 
           - I am my own priest  Walt Starr   Feb-24-04 08:43 PM   #124 
              - Me too  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:42 PM   #166 
  - I am not a Christian  ChiefJoseph   Feb-24-04 06:12 PM   #6 
  - Well, there was no Jesus of Nazareth. But that's just because  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 06:14 PM   #12 
  - Can you link us to some  Dookus   Feb-24-04 06:28 PM   #37 
  - Bzzzzzsttt.  einniv   Feb-24-04 06:29 PM   #39 
  - I have to call you on this...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 06:46 PM   #51 
  - What is that evidence?  knight_of_the_star   Feb-24-04 07:51 PM   #88 
  - There is NO "Historical Evidence" independent of the Xtian church  stopbush   Feb-24-04 09:25 PM   #157 
  - What makes you think myths aren't true?  aquart   Feb-24-04 06:12 PM   #7 
  - Uh, how can a myth be true? That seems to be the penultimate oxymoron  mike1963   Feb-24-04 06:16 PM   #17 
  - All myths contain a kernel of truth...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 06:51 PM   #56 
  - Elvis lives...  I AM SPARTACUS   Feb-24-04 06:51 PM   #55 
  - I recommend reading  Book Lover   Feb-24-04 06:13 PM   #8 
  - I have the Passover Plot and have read it. You're right it sure is dry,  mike1963   Feb-24-04 06:20 PM   #24 
     - Well, that's the nice thing about scholarship...  Book Lover   Feb-24-04 06:49 PM   #53 
        - I suppose I was trying to be a bit too clever. What I mean is this:  mike1963   Feb-24-04 07:12 PM   #70 
           - Several problems with the bible  LiberalFighter   Feb-24-04 08:31 PM   #110 
              - Forgot this  DennisReveni   Feb-25-04 07:36 AM   #182 
  - What about that virgin birth thing?  ezmojason   Feb-24-04 06:13 PM   #9 
  - No, I do NOT believe that! n/t  mlawson   Feb-24-04 06:15 PM   #14 
     - Surprise! I don't either  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 09:05 PM   #137 
  - It's not hard to believe that the Romans would have  mlawson   Feb-24-04 06:14 PM   #11 
  - There is no doubt in my mind...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 06:58 PM   #59 
     - Jerusalem, where the records would have been  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 08:56 PM   #131 
  - I think it a myth also  Marianne   Feb-24-04 06:14 PM   #13 
  - Are there no more democratic Christians left?  coloktm   Feb-24-04 06:15 PM   #16 
  - I thought I might be the last secularist.  ezmojason   Feb-24-04 06:17 PM   #20 
  - Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding!  LoZoccolo   Feb-24-04 06:19 PM   #23 
  - Quicker than I thought, but there you go.  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 06:20 PM   #28 
     - This girl I met said that Lord Byron had this way of looking at women...  LoZoccolo   Feb-24-04 06:26 PM   #34 
        - Well, It's not genetic. But my predecessor was 'mad, bad and  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 06:29 PM   # 
  - Um, I did not use the word 'fundies' in my op. Please do not put words  mike1963   Feb-24-04 06:23 PM   #31 
  - So this time...  coloktm   Feb-24-04 06:26 PM   #33 
     - Umm... they did herd goats.  ezmojason   Feb-24-04 06:29 PM   #38 
     - How about "itinerant animal tenders"? Santa Claus is very important to  mike1963   Feb-24-04 06:40 PM   #48 
  - I agree with you on that  Marianne   Feb-24-04 06:27 PM   #36 
  - ah, here you are again!  wellstone_democrat   Feb-24-04 06:38 PM   #46 
  - I am a Catholic and find many Evangelical Christians offensive.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 06:45 PM   #50 
  - Obviously they do believe in the teachings of Jesus  Marianne   Feb-24-04 07:01 PM   #62 
  - That's the thing about Catholics.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 07:06 PM   #66 
     - If that is so...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 08:31 PM   #112 
        - Indulgences have been gone for a while now.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 09:04 PM   #136 
           - I must have an older bible then...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:11 PM   #142 
              - You are right. Although I think this refers mainly to prayer, not  alcuno   Feb-24-04 09:38 PM   #163 
  - I do too-the Catholic Church may have its conservative wing  RationalRose   Feb-24-04 07:27 PM   #79 
  - And I found it strange when I saw on DU that...  LiberalFighter   Feb-24-04 08:34 PM   #113 
     - That is because we have not been "born again."  alcuno   Feb-24-04 09:10 PM   #141 
        - Makes no sense to me either  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:22 PM   #154 
  - not all Christians are fundies  pop goes the weasel   Feb-24-04 07:29 PM   #81 
     - I never said that...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 10:09 PM   #169 
  - I don't have hard facts but there are historical records..  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 06:16 PM   #19 
  - I believe it happened and that he existed historically. I also believe  roguevalley   Feb-24-04 06:27 PM   #35 
  - Please don't think that I'm a zealot.But, how can you survive crucifixion?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 06:32 PM   #40 
     - Crucifixion was more about torture than execution...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 07:16 PM   #73 
     - You could get rescued by the Judean People's  smirkymonkey   Feb-24-04 07:54 PM   #89 
  - I understand your point. I omitted reference the alleged 'resurrection'  mike1963   Feb-24-04 06:33 PM   #41 
  - I won't evangelize to anyone. Especially a DUer - a Friend no matter what  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 07:02 PM   #63 
  - May I extend a bit of congratulation for properly spelling Gandhi.  mike1963   Feb-24-04 09:31 PM   #158 
  - Story of divine sacrifice make sense...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 07:23 PM   #77 
  - "What are you really asking?"  I AM SPARTACUS   Feb-24-04 07:01 PM   #61 
  - Are you kidding? I'm asking. if a historical figue was cricifird..  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 07:08 PM   #67 
     - No, I'm serious.  I AM SPARTACUS   Feb-24-04 07:11 PM   #69 
        - i wonder why you ask this queston  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 07:24 PM   #78 
           - "why" I ask - does that matter at all?  I AM SPARTACUS   Feb-24-04 07:29 PM   #82 
  - Cite your sources for this statement.  stopbush   Feb-24-04 09:19 PM   #149 
  - Most doubters question the resurection not the crucifixion  El Supremo   Feb-24-04 06:18 PM   #22 
  - Josephus mentions of Jesus in wrong ink 500 years younger  mouse7   Feb-24-04 06:37 PM   #43 
  - I ask again - how do you survive a Roman crucifixion?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 06:38 PM   #45 
     - Xena, Warrior Princess, did.  Bridget Burke   Feb-24-04 06:50 PM   #54 
     - It's actually quite possible  Dookus   Feb-24-04 07:19 PM   #74 
        - Jesus! I didn't say he survived!  El Supremo   Feb-24-04 09:46 PM   #167 
  - I don't know if  Jawja   Feb-24-04 06:20 PM   #25 
  - I believe that a radical teacher named "Jesus" was crucified by  maveric   Feb-24-04 06:20 PM   #27 
  - That's why it is called faith.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 06:24 PM   #32 
  - Why is faith good?  Philosophy   Feb-24-04 06:42 PM   #49 
     - I've seen no contrary evidence to the existence of God.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 06:52 PM   #57 
        - The person making the fantastic claim...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 07:28 PM   #80 
           - Sorry. I'm no bible-thumping Old Testament kind of Christian.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 08:00 PM   #91 
              - Not saying that you personally...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 08:55 PM   #130 
              - Faith in God existed before anything was written down.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 09:24 PM   #156 
                 - I would not lump all christians in the same group as fundamentalists...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 10:16 PM   #172 
              - But god separated the light and the darkness  stopbush   Feb-24-04 09:33 PM   #159 
                 - This is why I stick to my official Catholic Bible.  alcuno   Feb-24-04 09:41 PM   #165 
  - Give Me Barabas  orwell   Feb-24-04 06:35 PM   #42 
  - At a time-depth of 2,000 years  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 06:37 PM   #44 
  - Some of the books in the Bible were written two hundred years...  mac2   Feb-24-04 06:49 PM   #52 
  - Most of the books of NT were written within 70 yrs  megatherium   Feb-24-04 07:32 PM   # 
  - It isn't a question of whether or not it is hard to believe.  einniv   Feb-24-04 07:05 PM   #65 
  - I think so too, but to say so often gets believers upset.  Cleita   Feb-24-04 07:00 PM   #60 
  - "Legend" is probably a better word than "myth"  Bridget Burke   Feb-24-04 07:03 PM   #64 
  - well  Dookus   Feb-24-04 07:10 PM   #68 
  - Actually you're wrong  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 07:13 PM   #72 
     - then please  Dookus   Feb-24-04 07:19 PM   #76 
        - Listen, I could plug in 100 sites. im not that type  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Feb-24-04 07:36 PM   #86 
           - "I'm not that type"  Dookus   Feb-24-04 07:43 PM   #87 
           - look here bud...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 09:53 PM   #168 
  - I don't care if there was an actual Jesus or if it was all allegorical...  higher class   Feb-24-04 07:19 PM   #75 
  - myth.  Mari333   Feb-24-04 07:32 PM   #83 
  - i have yet to see any film that accurately depicts anything...  rasputin1952   Feb-24-04 07:35 PM   #84 
  - Didn't Calvin Trillin get fired from Newsweek for his comment ...  DemoTex   Feb-24-04 07:35 PM   #85 
  - No, you are not the  smirkymonkey   Feb-24-04 08:05 PM   #93 
  - Most definitely a myth, IMO  Walt Starr   Feb-24-04 08:09 PM   #94 
  - thanks Walt...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 10:24 PM   #174 
  - myth - ever hear of the albigensens (sp)  HighTide   Feb-24-04 08:17 PM   #99 
  - Just call them Cathars, it's easier to spell.  Screaming Lord Byron   Feb-24-04 08:31 PM   #111 
  - Good spots to visit  stopbush   Feb-24-04 08:20 PM   #101 
  - He pissed the romans off  Alex146   Feb-24-04 08:30 PM   #108 
  - There was a point when the Romans were crucifying  Walt Starr   Feb-24-04 08:34 PM   #114 
  - Well I Don't Know About the Crucifixion  Crisco   Feb-24-04 08:41 PM   #120 
  - umm... the entire Jesus thing is just a myth  cryofan   Feb-24-04 08:49 PM   #128 
  - I do not think it is a myth  arewethereyet   Feb-24-04 08:49 PM   #129 
  - I'm puzzled by the insistence of some  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 09:12 PM   #145 
     - I hear you  arewethereyet   Feb-24-04 09:22 PM   #153 
     - how does the presence of Christians prove that there was a real...  I AM SPARTACUS   Feb-24-04 09:23 PM   #155 
     - I used to think the image of Jesus-as-guru was reasonable too  starroute   Feb-24-04 10:13 PM   #171 
     - Fine...  teknomanzer   Feb-24-04 10:29 PM   #175 
  - no, you're not.  leftofthedial   Feb-24-04 09:00 PM   #133 
  - Sorry, there were Christians long before Constantine  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-04 09:14 PM   #146 
     - none as we know them now.  leftofthedial   Feb-24-04 09:15 PM   #147 
  - Crucifiction theme in surrounding history  Must_B_Free   Feb-24-04 09:04 PM   #135 
  - The myth of a dying/resurrected god appears time and again  Walt Starr   Feb-24-04 09:11 PM   #143 
     - more echoes of similarrity  Must_B_Free   Feb-24-04 09:20 PM   #150 
  - No you're not alone! Thank the gods I'm not alone either!  BurtWorm   Feb-24-04 10:11 PM   #170 
  - No, I believe it happened  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-24-04 10:20 PM   #173 
  - questioning the historical accuracy  Dookus   Feb-25-04 01:38 AM   #177 
     - There is evidence he existed  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-25-04 07:09 AM   #180 
  - I suspect he was executed by crucifixion because it was the  leesa   Feb-24-04 10:58 PM   #176 
  - Personally, I think the whole Bible is a myth  RebelOne   Feb-25-04 06:04 AM   #179 
  - Locking  Moderator   Feb-25-04 07:38 AM   #183 
 

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