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Tims Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:36 AM
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27. I beg to differ
The premises of Social Darwinism is NOT in Darwin's work. You say that Darwin was used to justify all sorts abhorrent policies and beliefs, yet Darwin can justify nothing. We cannot blame Darwin or his theories for their misuse or misapplication.

I'm not sure what you mean by rejoicing "at any alternative paradigm that suggests otherwise". By this do you mean that without Darwin, society would have been different, that all these ills you mention would have disappeared without Darwin's support? Or are you suggesting that because Darwin's theories fail to solve our social problems that his paradigm was wrong, even though he had no intention of applying it to the social realm? In the first case, other justifications would have been made as they had always been made in the centuries before Darwin. WWI, racism, and all the other ill you mention would still have occured, their perpetrators would simply have found other means of justification. As to the later, no alternative paradigm is needed. Darwin's theories cannot be thrown out simply because we don't like their implications (or perceived implications).

Anyone who believes that Darwin justifies a social condition must contend with the fact that at any one time virtually all possible social systems are in effect somewhere on the planet and are working just fine despite the Darwinian "proof" in some other place that they should have failed. Would the capitalist look at the success of the Bolshivik revolution as "survival of the fittest" in action. Yet from the bastardized view of Social Darwinism, this is indeed what was happening. Do the Chinese now represent the "fittest" system. They seem to be doing quite well and there are more of them than there are of anyone else.

The simple point is Darwin was used as an excuse. No blame can be placed on the theory itself because, had it not existed, other excuses would be found. Darwin's strength lies in its biological truth, it cannot be condemned because of its misapplication outside of biology.

One could just as easily claim that since quantum mechanics proves that the act of measurement alters the resulting measured values that we should not vote because the act of voting itself invalidates the results and therefore quantum mechanics justifies dictatorships. Should we now condemn quantum mechanics?
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  -Darwin and the Left durutti  Feb-23-04 10:42 PM   #0 
  - This is probably above my head as I'm not...  ldoolin   Feb-23-04 11:12 PM   #1 
  - Do you believe in civilization?  cprise   Feb-23-04 11:41 PM   #2 
  - Well, this is how I see it...  durutti   Feb-24-04 09:09 AM   #5 
  - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  Broken   Feb-23-04 11:45 PM   #3 
  - My problems w/ Kropotkin...  durutti   Feb-24-04 09:41 AM   #8 
     - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Broken   Feb-24-04 07:34 PM   #23 
  - Well you flunked science 101  Peregrine   Feb-23-04 11:51 PM   #4 
  - Forgive me, Your Highness!  durutti   Feb-24-04 09:35 AM   #7 
  - cooperation as opposed to competition  el_gato   Feb-24-04 09:26 AM   #6 
  - you appear to be infected by the neo-con's obsession with darwin  treepig   Feb-24-04 09:43 AM   #9 
  - I said as much in my original post. n/t  durutti   Feb-24-04 09:46 AM   #10 
     - i guess my point was "why?"  treepig   Feb-24-04 10:02 AM   #11 
        - When people go "oh, its Just a theory"  VTMechEngr   Feb-24-04 12:04 PM   #17 
  - I don't see any connection between Darwin and "the Left"  pmbryant   Feb-24-04 10:09 AM   #12 
  - Natural Selection isnt really a theory.  K-W   Feb-24-04 10:20 AM   #13 
  - Evolutionary psychology is indeed very speculative,  megatherium   Feb-24-04 07:50 PM   #24 
  - No connections  Tims   Feb-24-04 11:03 AM   #14 
  - The real problems come out of survival of the fittest  starroute   Feb-24-04 11:39 AM   #15 
  - Social Darwinism is simply a misunderstanding of the theory  K-W   Feb-24-04 11:41 AM   #16 
  - Here we go again  Tims   Feb-24-04 03:32 PM   #18 
     - The elitism is within species, not between species  starroute   Feb-24-04 06:16 PM   #20 
        - But but but...  durutti   Feb-24-04 07:25 PM   #22 
        - ++++++++++++++++++++++  Broken   Feb-24-04 07:55 PM   #25 
           - Why do you think  Tims   Feb-25-04 12:06 PM   #28 
        - I beg to differ  Tims   Feb-25-04 11:36 AM   #27 
        - No, they're not.  JackDragna   Feb-25-04 12:18 PM   #29 
  - Forget Darwin for a moment  The River   Feb-24-04 06:12 PM   #19 
     - Very acute -- and exactly right  starroute   Feb-24-04 06:18 PM   #21 
        - Thanks..  The River   Feb-24-04 08:03 PM   #26 

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