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130. That is exactly one of the points that
we non-theists are trying to make - We don't live OUR lives according to the bible, and it offends me when someone implies that I am living the wrong way because I am not conventionally religious and because I don't use the bible as a manual to help me get through life.

If the Bible helps you in your life, then fine. I am happy it works for you. But the Bible has no place in guiding my life or spirituality and it should certainly have no place in determining the laws of a democratic state.

My personal spiritual beliefs inform my politics, yet I do not think that everyone in this country should be governed by MY spiritual beliefs.

I vote according to my conscience and you are free to vote according to yours. I believe in live and let live. I don't expect anyone to think like I do, but at the same time I do not want the religious views of others imposed upon me by law.
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  -Religious Tolerance and DU (aka: We Need to Recruit Liberal Theists) TXlib  Feb-23-04 01:16 PM   #0 
  - Not a believer, but I completely agree  tom_paine   Feb-23-04 01:21 PM   #1 
  - Hear, Hear!  Loonman   Feb-23-04 01:22 PM   #2 
  - The word you are looking for is Apostate  Az   Feb-23-04 01:24 PM   #3 
  - Apostate wrong word.  cosmicaug   Feb-23-04 01:42 PM   #19 
     - Here's a more specific definition of apostate, cosmic  fed2dneck   Feb-23-04 11:54 PM   #152 
  - Sounds to me more like...  adamblast   Feb-23-04 01:25 PM   #4 
  - I'm all for a good debate on religion  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:29 PM   #7 
     - I'm sure that type of post represents a minority of posters  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:31 PM   #10 
     - Absolutely.  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #18 
     - I'd agree  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:48 PM   #26 
     - Again, I agree  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:51 PM   #30 
     - Yes, I've gotten it in both directions  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:07 PM   #90 
        - well said! i agree....  progressivebebe   Feb-24-04 02:06 AM   #161 
     - And that's too often the problem.  Sophree   Feb-23-04 01:52 PM   #31 
     - no need  Djinn   Feb-23-04 05:45 PM   #84 
     - There are about 3 on the anti-Xian side and a couple on the  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:27 PM   #116 
     - nope - it is a common post - usually phrased as ghost in the sky or  papau   Feb-23-04 01:47 PM   #23 
     - A minority, but one which can say very offensive things.  LoZoccolo   Feb-23-04 01:54 PM   #34 
        - Also, forgot to mention.  LoZoccolo   Feb-23-04 02:00 PM   #37 
        - Agreed...Am I to assure friends that only a few DUers will scream N*er?  Dob Bole   Feb-23-04 05:00 PM   #77 
     - Exactly.  shimmergal   Feb-23-04 03:33 PM   #59 
        - Exactly. When respect exits the building, idiocy walks right in.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:32 PM   #120 
  - As a "liberal theist", I agree wholeheartedly!  IrateCitizen   Feb-23-04 01:26 PM   #5 
  - I see this as going down a slippery slope, what you and your wife  MoonAndSun   Feb-23-04 01:27 PM   #6 
  - Please see my reply #7  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:30 PM   #9 
     - I understand what you are trying to convey, but that still does not  MoonAndSun   Feb-23-04 01:35 PM   #11 
  - What do you classify as anti-religion?  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:29 PM   #8 
  - For starters...  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:35 PM   #12 
     - Not trying to be thick here...  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #17 
        - It depends  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:44 PM   #21 
  - I invited my anti-war priest to this site  Rowdyboy   Feb-23-04 01:36 PM   #13 
  - Christian=fundamentalist is how the fundies want people to think  cprise   Feb-23-04 06:47 PM   #97 
  - my kids go to a baptist school  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 01:37 PM   #14 
  - Send them to FreeRepublic  hexola   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   # 
  - And we need to undo the GOP's efforts there!  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:49 PM   #27 
     - I wouldn't call the neo con repubs Christian  JellyBean1   Feb-23-04 02:23 PM   #44 
  - I have thought about this  Marianne   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #15 
  - This is what I see also  dwckabal   Feb-23-04 02:19 PM   #41 
     - But you state the problem very clearly yourself:  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:41 PM   #123 
  - I agree completely  A J   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #16 
  - I was hoping for a religion forum  scottcsmith   Feb-23-04 01:44 PM   #20 
  - I am not sure what you mean by religious forums  Marianne   Feb-23-04 01:50 PM   #29 
  - The Meeting Room often has threads on various religious topics.  MoonAndSun   Feb-23-04 01:53 PM   #33 
  - Amen, brother.  Redbear   Feb-23-04 01:45 PM   #22 
  - As well as slamming those who don't.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:46 PM   #124 
  - Like the candidate wars...  Dookus   Feb-23-04 01:48 PM   #24 
  - well said  Djinn   Feb-23-04 05:54 PM   #86 
     - Huh?  Sophree   Feb-23-04 08:12 PM   #112 
  - We should welcome people of faith  Sophree   Feb-23-04 01:48 PM   #25 
  - I agree that DUers ought to refrain from  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 01:49 PM   #28 
  - I absolutely agree--and I'm on the believer side of the fence.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:51 PM   #126 
  - Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.  Cleita   Feb-23-04 01:52 PM   #32 
  - My sentiments exactly...  smirkymonkey   Feb-23-04 02:53 PM   #48 
  - My sentiments exactly.  Vernunft II   Feb-24-04 06:36 AM   #170 
  - Tolerance and respect  lapislzi   Feb-23-04 01:55 PM   #35 
  - further, i have great love for the fundamentalist  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 01:55 PM   #36 
  - i would never try to talk about "theist issues" of which i am concerned  meow mix   Feb-23-04 02:02 PM   #38 
  - No, what we need is progressive religious non-theists  Selwynn   Feb-23-04 02:16 PM   #39 
  - What is a religious non-theist?  TXlib   Feb-23-04 02:21 PM   #43 
  - I have gotten to the point where I cringe at proselytizing as well as  Lars39   Feb-23-04 02:16 PM   #40 
  - fundamentalist isnt a bad word  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 02:25 PM   #46 
  - If the pro-religionists don't have the wherewithal to back their beliefs  stopbush   Feb-23-04 02:19 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-04 03:14 PM   #52 
  - Well, your term "Pro-FeelsGoodIsGood" is such a narrowly  stopbush   Feb-23-04 04:58 PM   #75 
     - It was only meant to annoy  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 08:26 PM   #115 
  - The nonbelievers have to learn something too  Az   Feb-23-04 03:29 PM   #57 
  - I agree.  JasonDeter   Feb-23-04 02:24 PM   #45 
  - yes, but  blindpig   Feb-23-04 02:39 PM   #47 
  - no way... no free rides...  wyldwolf   Feb-23-04 03:05 PM   #49 
  - I'm not talking about banning any philosophy  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:39 PM   #61 
  - anti religion threads need to be controlled  Marianne   Feb-23-04 05:22 PM   #81 
  - This is the one issue on DU  cally   Feb-23-04 03:07 PM   #50 
  - Without dialog the camps only grow farther apart  Az   Feb-23-04 03:12 PM   #51 
  - You forgot the people who are willing to kill or let other people  Cleita   Feb-23-04 03:16 PM   #53 
  - I'm not afraid of diversity of ideas. Why are you?  throwthebumsout   Feb-23-04 03:21 PM   #54 
  - *sigh*  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:45 PM   #62 
  - I disagree.  DrWeird   Feb-23-04 03:23 PM   #55 
  - encourage all people with open minds, who don't mind debating  ixion   Feb-23-04 03:26 PM   #56 
  - I think targeting demographics is entirely appropriate  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:51 PM   #63 
  - I have never seen  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-23-04 03:30 PM   #58 
  - I see the same lame bullshit coming from the anti-thiest camp.  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 03:33 PM   #60 
  - AMEN!  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:52 PM   #64 
  - A respectful manner?  Cleita   Feb-23-04 04:00 PM   #65 
  - YES a respectful manner!  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 04:23 PM   #72 
     - Ah yes, but the problem is  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 06:14 PM   #91 
        - That isn't a problem  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:03 PM   #99 
           - You raise exactly the problem to which i refer!  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:12 AM   #173 
  - I think it is called "political correctness"  Marianne   Feb-23-04 04:59 PM   #76 
  - Not what I'm talking about  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:07 PM   #102 
     - Excuse me  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:12 PM   #104 
     - THAT is a knee jerk reaction  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:52 PM   #110 
     - in your demand  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 08:35 PM   #121 
        - Yes I do demand respect....  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 08:54 PM   #127 
           - Respect  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 11:39 AM   #180 
  - Weren't you the one...  DrWeird   Feb-23-04 06:28 PM   #94 
     - No.  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:06 PM   #101 
  - A prime objective of religious belief is the demand special treatment  PurityOfEssence   Feb-23-04 04:07 PM   #66 
  - the four agreements  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 04:22 PM   #71 
  - Like it or not, this is A PRO-RELIGION site.  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:28 PM   #107 
     - No. Not pro-'religion.' Pro-Constitution and 1st Amendment: Bill of Rights  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:26 AM   #153 
        - All the more reason to have respectful conversations about religion  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:22 AM   #174 
        - exactly n/t  Sophree   Feb-24-04 11:46 AM   #182 
        - Agreed. I merely offer why anger surfaces, politics and religion ARE mixed  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 11:49 AM   #183 
        - There you haveit-  Sophree   Feb-24-04 11:45 AM   #181 
           - Absolutely. I wish the Berrigan Bros. followers were a billion strong. n/t  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:05 PM   #185 
              - Who are the Berrigan Bros.?  Sophree   Feb-24-04 12:19 PM   #186 
                 - Catholic priests Daniel+Phillip. Anti-war/nuke/poverty activists since60s  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:32 PM   #188 
                    - I will, thank you!  Sophree   Feb-24-04 01:08 PM   #190 
  - I'm Christian, but don't want religion anywhere near my politics  RationalRose   Feb-23-04 04:08 PM   #67 
  - I'm not following...  Dob Bole   Feb-23-04 05:38 PM   #82 
  - well there's this  Djinn   Feb-23-04 06:25 PM   #93 
  - Sure...  Dob Bole   Feb-23-04 06:35 PM   #96 
  - I'm Catholic-so I am Familiar with the Bible  RationalRose   Feb-23-04 07:26 PM   #106 
  - I think that is a correct observation  Marianne   Feb-23-04 08:03 PM   #111 
     - Good Observations  RationalRose   Feb-23-04 08:49 PM   #125 
  - That is exactly one of the points that  smirkymonkey   Feb-23-04 09:12 PM   #130 
  - If Bush uses religion and the pope uses religion  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:15 PM   #92 
  - exactly, I have a problem when religion is used as a tool to control  progressivebebe   Feb-24-04 02:28 AM   #163 
  - Exactly  populistmom   Feb-23-04 08:28 PM   #117 
  - Not the point of my thread.  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:28 AM   #175 
  - Seems like someone always wants to 'control' someone else...  Q   Feb-23-04 04:13 PM   #68 
  - Amen to that  Marianne   Feb-23-04 04:57 PM   #74 
  - I never suggested banning such threads  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:40 AM   #176 
  - I've thought about this thread all day  camero   Feb-23-04 04:15 PM   #69 
  - Keep the gov't out of my worship and religion out of my government.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:53 PM   #139 
     - Ain't it the truth  camero   Feb-23-04 11:28 PM   #151 
  - in general...  Ysabel   Feb-23-04 04:18 PM   #70 
  - That's a good message, Ysabel  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:29 PM   #95 
     - thank you...  Ysabel   Feb-24-04 01:42 AM   #160 
  - I don't see  ulysses   Feb-23-04 04:44 PM   #73 
  - We have to be careful.  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 05:00 PM   #78 
  - I'm a liberal Catholic.  truthbetold   Feb-23-04 05:01 PM   #79 
  - Liberal free speech, like the constitution says.  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 05:10 PM   #80 
  - ah sweetheart  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 05:45 PM   #83 
  - I honestly do not think I have seen that many posts that purport to  Marianne   Feb-23-04 05:47 PM   #85 
  - Who is it indeed?  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 08:24 PM   #114 
  - I've never seen it, and I'm pretty sure you know where I stand.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:59 PM   #141 
  - Being aware of how we are perceived is not the same as censorship  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-23-04 06:00 PM   #87 
     - over the top atheists  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 08:30 PM   #118 
        - I'd just like to say  Spentastic   Feb-24-04 03:49 AM   #167 
  - My thoughts  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:01 PM   #88 
  - You're right.  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 08:31 PM   #119 
  - As a fundamentalis christian I agree,  Perky   Feb-23-04 06:03 PM   #89 
  - One thing you stated.  Cleita   Feb-23-04 06:52 PM   #98 
  - My response  Perky   Feb-23-04 07:51 PM   #109 
  - Carter stuck with the Southern Baptist Convention for a long time  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:06 PM   #100 
  - I can't be the only person laughing at this thread.  tkulesa   Feb-23-04 07:11 PM   #103 
  - So ingrained in our culture  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 09:21 PM   #131 
  - I had not thought of a comparison to White Privilage  tkulesa   Feb-23-04 09:51 PM   #138 
     - Chosen Few=Master Race=Murder. It is being done for years, friend.  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:37 AM   #154 
        - Watch out what you say about your white facist politicians,  Cleita   Feb-24-04 12:45 AM   #156 
  - Have you actually READ what I wrote?  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:06 AM   #172 
     - Of course I read what you wrote  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 03:27 PM   #192 
  - My frank and honest opinion...  Kanzeon   Feb-23-04 07:14 PM   #105 
  - However, I also tend to think, as of lately, that this forum is verging a  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:39 PM   #108 
  - The irony of Buddhist bashing  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 08:39 PM   #122 
     - you talk my talk  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 09:02 PM   #128 
     - brilliant !  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 10:25 PM   #146 
     - Great post!  dawn   Feb-24-04 02:21 AM   #162 
  - its a tall order  arewethereyet   Feb-23-04 08:12 PM   #113 
  - Please see post 134. I'm Christian, too.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:45 PM   #137 
  - Hail the straw man!  stopbush   Feb-23-04 10:08 PM   #144 
     - ah, but I agree with most of this  arewethereyet   Feb-23-04 10:56 PM   #148 
     - Excellent point!  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 11:52 AM   #184 
  - We don't have to go to the Admins. If we want to be able to debate  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:12 PM   #129 
  - Except for that part about  tkulesa   Feb-23-04 10:01 PM   #143 
     - me too  Djinn   Feb-24-04 12:50 AM   #157 
  - Observations from a battle scarred "belief" soldier; there is enough  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:23 PM   #132 
  - Then we can knock off the ReTHUGlican bashing...  BiggJawn   Feb-23-04 09:30 PM   #133 
  - I'm a Christian who doesn't believe in hell, actually.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:33 PM   #135 
     - curious  Djinn   Feb-24-04 12:53 AM   #158 
  - This may be the ONE place in the world where non-believers  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:31 PM   #134 
  - Good post  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 09:54 PM   #140 
  - its a valid point that we are in the hefty minority here  arewethereyet   Feb-23-04 11:01 PM   #149 
  - Perhaps we believers are worrying too much about DU.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:42 PM   #136 
  - these are values atheists subscribe to also  Marianne   Feb-23-04 10:00 PM   #142 
     - Sorry--of course I know that, I stated it poorly.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 10:11 PM   #145 
  - my thoughts on a double standard.  nemo137   Feb-23-04 10:50 PM   #147 
  - I swear that this is a humorous thread. :)  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 11:13 AM   #177 
  - As a Christian, I like this!  Goldberg   Feb-23-04 11:04 PM   #150 
  - I'm anti-dogma, but usually get along fine with liberal theists  Ladyhawk   Feb-24-04 12:41 AM   #155 
  - DU has always had this problem and it  DemBones DemBones   Feb-24-04 01:39 AM   #159 
  - needs repeating  Tolania   Feb-24-04 03:39 AM   #166 
  - Get a grip. There adults? they can stand on their own 2 feet.  LibertyorDeath   Feb-24-04 02:35 AM   #164 
  - well......  corporatewhore   Feb-24-04 02:51 AM   #165 
  - Reading through some of the posts...  Q   Feb-24-04 05:54 AM   #168 
  - Im probably a minority here but I think  Vernunft II   Feb-24-04 06:33 AM   #169 
  - What about free speech?  mac2   Feb-24-04 11:21 AM   #179 
  - A good thread  JellyBean1   Feb-24-04 06:40 AM   #171 
  - Did you forget about free speech?  mac2   Feb-24-04 11:19 AM   #178 
  - Did you read the thread, or just post a knee-jerk reaction?  TXlib   Feb-24-04 01:04 PM   #189 
  - if the sentiment isn't friendly and you can't handle opposing views.....  jus_the_facts   Feb-24-04 12:20 PM   #187 
  - :shrug:  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-24-04 01:09 PM   #191 
 

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