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78. We have to be careful.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 05:12 PM by Pithlet
I have seen instances where people merely voicing their beliefs has been called Christian bashing. People can be very protective of their beliefs, and for many, hearing an opposing view can feel threatening.

There is no doubt that actual bashing of poster's beliefs has happened, and still does, but there are already rules against that. If anyone sees them, they should alert so the post can be removed. To me, that is enough to ensure that all beliefs can open for discussion. If we separate one belief out for speical protection, it can seem like an undue restriction for many who do not follow that belief. The only solution to ensure that bashing never happens is to ban all discussion of religion, and to me, that would be going too far.
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  -Religious Tolerance and DU (aka: We Need to Recruit Liberal Theists) TXlib  Feb-23-04 01:16 PM   #0 
  - Not a believer, but I completely agree  tom_paine   Feb-23-04 01:21 PM   #1 
  - Hear, Hear!  Loonman   Feb-23-04 01:22 PM   #2 
  - The word you are looking for is Apostate  Az   Feb-23-04 01:24 PM   #3 
  - Apostate wrong word.  cosmicaug   Feb-23-04 01:42 PM   #19 
     - Here's a more specific definition of apostate, cosmic  fed2dneck   Feb-23-04 11:54 PM   #152 
  - Sounds to me more like...  adamblast   Feb-23-04 01:25 PM   #4 
  - I'm all for a good debate on religion  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:29 PM   #7 
     - I'm sure that type of post represents a minority of posters  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:31 PM   #10 
     - Absolutely.  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #18 
     - I'd agree  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:48 PM   #26 
     - Again, I agree  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:51 PM   #30 
     - Yes, I've gotten it in both directions  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:07 PM   #90 
        - well said! i agree....  progressivebebe   Feb-24-04 02:06 AM   #161 
     - And that's too often the problem.  Sophree   Feb-23-04 01:52 PM   #31 
     - no need  Djinn   Feb-23-04 05:45 PM   #84 
     - There are about 3 on the anti-Xian side and a couple on the  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:27 PM   #116 
     - nope - it is a common post - usually phrased as ghost in the sky or  papau   Feb-23-04 01:47 PM   #23 
     - A minority, but one which can say very offensive things.  LoZoccolo   Feb-23-04 01:54 PM   #34 
        - Also, forgot to mention.  LoZoccolo   Feb-23-04 02:00 PM   #37 
        - Agreed...Am I to assure friends that only a few DUers will scream N*er?  Dob Bole   Feb-23-04 05:00 PM   #77 
     - Exactly.  shimmergal   Feb-23-04 03:33 PM   #59 
        - Exactly. When respect exits the building, idiocy walks right in.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:32 PM   #120 
  - As a "liberal theist", I agree wholeheartedly!  IrateCitizen   Feb-23-04 01:26 PM   #5 
  - I see this as going down a slippery slope, what you and your wife  MoonAndSun   Feb-23-04 01:27 PM   #6 
  - Please see my reply #7  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:30 PM   #9 
     - I understand what you are trying to convey, but that still does not  MoonAndSun   Feb-23-04 01:35 PM   #11 
  - What do you classify as anti-religion?  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:29 PM   #8 
  - For starters...  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:35 PM   #12 
     - Not trying to be thick here...  Stuckinthebush   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #17 
        - It depends  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:44 PM   #21 
  - I invited my anti-war priest to this site  Rowdyboy   Feb-23-04 01:36 PM   #13 
  - Christian=fundamentalist is how the fundies want people to think  cprise   Feb-23-04 06:47 PM   #97 
  - my kids go to a baptist school  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 01:37 PM   #14 
  - Send them to FreeRepublic  hexola   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   # 
  - And we need to undo the GOP's efforts there!  TXlib   Feb-23-04 01:49 PM   #27 
     - I wouldn't call the neo con repubs Christian  JellyBean1   Feb-23-04 02:23 PM   #44 
  - I have thought about this  Marianne   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #15 
  - This is what I see also  dwckabal   Feb-23-04 02:19 PM   #41 
     - But you state the problem very clearly yourself:  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:41 PM   #123 
  - I agree completely  A J   Feb-23-04 01:39 PM   #16 
  - I was hoping for a religion forum  scottcsmith   Feb-23-04 01:44 PM   #20 
  - I am not sure what you mean by religious forums  Marianne   Feb-23-04 01:50 PM   #29 
  - The Meeting Room often has threads on various religious topics.  MoonAndSun   Feb-23-04 01:53 PM   #33 
  - Amen, brother.  Redbear   Feb-23-04 01:45 PM   #22 
  - As well as slamming those who don't.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:46 PM   #124 
  - Like the candidate wars...  Dookus   Feb-23-04 01:48 PM   #24 
  - well said  Djinn   Feb-23-04 05:54 PM   #86 
     - Huh?  Sophree   Feb-23-04 08:12 PM   #112 
  - We should welcome people of faith  Sophree   Feb-23-04 01:48 PM   #25 
  - I agree that DUers ought to refrain from  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 01:49 PM   #28 
  - I absolutely agree--and I'm on the believer side of the fence.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 08:51 PM   #126 
  - Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.  Cleita   Feb-23-04 01:52 PM   #32 
  - My sentiments exactly...  smirkymonkey   Feb-23-04 02:53 PM   #48 
  - My sentiments exactly.  Vernunft II   Feb-24-04 06:36 AM   #170 
  - Tolerance and respect  lapislzi   Feb-23-04 01:55 PM   #35 
  - further, i have great love for the fundamentalist  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 01:55 PM   #36 
  - i would never try to talk about "theist issues" of which i am concerned  meow mix   Feb-23-04 02:02 PM   #38 
  - No, what we need is progressive religious non-theists  Selwynn   Feb-23-04 02:16 PM   #39 
  - What is a religious non-theist?  TXlib   Feb-23-04 02:21 PM   #43 
  - I have gotten to the point where I cringe at proselytizing as well as  Lars39   Feb-23-04 02:16 PM   #40 
  - fundamentalist isnt a bad word  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 02:25 PM   #46 
  - If the pro-religionists don't have the wherewithal to back their beliefs  stopbush   Feb-23-04 02:19 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-04 03:14 PM   #52 
  - Well, your term "Pro-FeelsGoodIsGood" is such a narrowly  stopbush   Feb-23-04 04:58 PM   #75 
     - It was only meant to annoy  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 08:26 PM   #115 
  - The nonbelievers have to learn something too  Az   Feb-23-04 03:29 PM   #57 
  - I agree.  JasonDeter   Feb-23-04 02:24 PM   #45 
  - yes, but  blindpig   Feb-23-04 02:39 PM   #47 
  - no way... no free rides...  wyldwolf   Feb-23-04 03:05 PM   #49 
  - I'm not talking about banning any philosophy  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:39 PM   #61 
  - anti religion threads need to be controlled  Marianne   Feb-23-04 05:22 PM   #81 
  - This is the one issue on DU  cally   Feb-23-04 03:07 PM   #50 
  - Without dialog the camps only grow farther apart  Az   Feb-23-04 03:12 PM   #51 
  - You forgot the people who are willing to kill or let other people  Cleita   Feb-23-04 03:16 PM   #53 
  - I'm not afraid of diversity of ideas. Why are you?  throwthebumsout   Feb-23-04 03:21 PM   #54 
  - *sigh*  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:45 PM   #62 
  - I disagree.  DrWeird   Feb-23-04 03:23 PM   #55 
  - encourage all people with open minds, who don't mind debating  ixion   Feb-23-04 03:26 PM   #56 
  - I think targeting demographics is entirely appropriate  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:51 PM   #63 
  - I have never seen  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-23-04 03:30 PM   #58 
  - I see the same lame bullshit coming from the anti-thiest camp.  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 03:33 PM   #60 
  - AMEN!  TXlib   Feb-23-04 03:52 PM   #64 
  - A respectful manner?  Cleita   Feb-23-04 04:00 PM   #65 
  - YES a respectful manner!  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 04:23 PM   #72 
     - Ah yes, but the problem is  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 06:14 PM   #91 
        - That isn't a problem  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:03 PM   #99 
           - You raise exactly the problem to which i refer!  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:12 AM   #173 
  - I think it is called "political correctness"  Marianne   Feb-23-04 04:59 PM   #76 
  - Not what I'm talking about  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:07 PM   #102 
     - Excuse me  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:12 PM   #104 
     - THAT is a knee jerk reaction  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:52 PM   #110 
     - in your demand  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 08:35 PM   #121 
        - Yes I do demand respect....  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 08:54 PM   #127 
           - Respect  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 11:39 AM   #180 
  - Weren't you the one...  DrWeird   Feb-23-04 06:28 PM   #94 
     - No.  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 07:06 PM   #101 
  - A prime objective of religious belief is the demand special treatment  PurityOfEssence   Feb-23-04 04:07 PM   #66 
  - the four agreements  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 04:22 PM   #71 
  - Like it or not, this is A PRO-RELIGION site.  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:28 PM   #107 
     - No. Not pro-'religion.' Pro-Constitution and 1st Amendment: Bill of Rights  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:26 AM   #153 
        - All the more reason to have respectful conversations about religion  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:22 AM   #174 
        - exactly n/t  Sophree   Feb-24-04 11:46 AM   #182 
        - Agreed. I merely offer why anger surfaces, politics and religion ARE mixed  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 11:49 AM   #183 
        - There you haveit-  Sophree   Feb-24-04 11:45 AM   #181 
           - Absolutely. I wish the Berrigan Bros. followers were a billion strong. n/t  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:05 PM   #185 
              - Who are the Berrigan Bros.?  Sophree   Feb-24-04 12:19 PM   #186 
                 - Catholic priests Daniel+Phillip. Anti-war/nuke/poverty activists since60s  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:32 PM   #188 
                    - I will, thank you!  Sophree   Feb-24-04 01:08 PM   #190 
  - I'm Christian, but don't want religion anywhere near my politics  RationalRose   Feb-23-04 04:08 PM   #67 
  - I'm not following...  Dob Bole   Feb-23-04 05:38 PM   #82 
  - well there's this  Djinn   Feb-23-04 06:25 PM   #93 
  - Sure...  Dob Bole   Feb-23-04 06:35 PM   #96 
  - I'm Catholic-so I am Familiar with the Bible  RationalRose   Feb-23-04 07:26 PM   #106 
  - I think that is a correct observation  Marianne   Feb-23-04 08:03 PM   #111 
     - Good Observations  RationalRose   Feb-23-04 08:49 PM   #125 
  - That is exactly one of the points that  smirkymonkey   Feb-23-04 09:12 PM   #130 
  - If Bush uses religion and the pope uses religion  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:15 PM   #92 
  - exactly, I have a problem when religion is used as a tool to control  progressivebebe   Feb-24-04 02:28 AM   #163 
  - Exactly  populistmom   Feb-23-04 08:28 PM   #117 
  - Not the point of my thread.  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:28 AM   #175 
  - Seems like someone always wants to 'control' someone else...  Q   Feb-23-04 04:13 PM   #68 
  - Amen to that  Marianne   Feb-23-04 04:57 PM   #74 
  - I never suggested banning such threads  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:40 AM   #176 
  - I've thought about this thread all day  camero   Feb-23-04 04:15 PM   #69 
  - Keep the gov't out of my worship and religion out of my government.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:53 PM   #139 
     - Ain't it the truth  camero   Feb-23-04 11:28 PM   #151 
  - in general...  Ysabel   Feb-23-04 04:18 PM   #70 
  - That's a good message, Ysabel  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:29 PM   #95 
     - thank you...  Ysabel   Feb-24-04 01:42 AM   #160 
  - I don't see  ulysses   Feb-23-04 04:44 PM   #73 
  - We have to be careful.  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 05:00 PM   #78 
  - I'm a liberal Catholic.  truthbetold   Feb-23-04 05:01 PM   #79 
  - Liberal free speech, like the constitution says.  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 05:10 PM   #80 
  - ah sweetheart  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 05:45 PM   #83 
  - I honestly do not think I have seen that many posts that purport to  Marianne   Feb-23-04 05:47 PM   #85 
  - Who is it indeed?  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 08:24 PM   #114 
  - I've never seen it, and I'm pretty sure you know where I stand.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:59 PM   #141 
  - Being aware of how we are perceived is not the same as censorship  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-23-04 06:00 PM   #87 
     - over the top atheists  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 08:30 PM   #118 
        - I'd just like to say  Spentastic   Feb-24-04 03:49 AM   #167 
  - My thoughts  Woodstock   Feb-23-04 06:01 PM   #88 
  - You're right.  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 08:31 PM   #119 
  - As a fundamentalis christian I agree,  Perky   Feb-23-04 06:03 PM   #89 
  - One thing you stated.  Cleita   Feb-23-04 06:52 PM   #98 
  - My response  Perky   Feb-23-04 07:51 PM   #109 
  - Carter stuck with the Southern Baptist Convention for a long time  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:06 PM   #100 
  - I can't be the only person laughing at this thread.  tkulesa   Feb-23-04 07:11 PM   #103 
  - So ingrained in our culture  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 09:21 PM   #131 
  - I had not thought of a comparison to White Privilage  tkulesa   Feb-23-04 09:51 PM   #138 
     - Chosen Few=Master Race=Murder. It is being done for years, friend.  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-24-04 12:37 AM   #154 
        - Watch out what you say about your white facist politicians,  Cleita   Feb-24-04 12:45 AM   #156 
  - Have you actually READ what I wrote?  TXlib   Feb-24-04 09:06 AM   #172 
     - Of course I read what you wrote  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 03:27 PM   #192 
  - My frank and honest opinion...  Kanzeon   Feb-23-04 07:14 PM   #105 
  - However, I also tend to think, as of lately, that this forum is verging a  Marianne   Feb-23-04 07:39 PM   #108 
  - The irony of Buddhist bashing  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 08:39 PM   #122 
     - you talk my talk  seabeyond   Feb-23-04 09:02 PM   #128 
     - brilliant !  sweetheart   Feb-23-04 10:25 PM   #146 
     - Great post!  dawn   Feb-24-04 02:21 AM   #162 
  - its a tall order  arewethereyet   Feb-23-04 08:12 PM   #113 
  - Please see post 134. I'm Christian, too.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:45 PM   #137 
  - Hail the straw man!  stopbush   Feb-23-04 10:08 PM   #144 
     - ah, but I agree with most of this  arewethereyet   Feb-23-04 10:56 PM   #148 
     - Excellent point!  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 11:52 AM   #184 
  - We don't have to go to the Admins. If we want to be able to debate  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:12 PM   #129 
  - Except for that part about  tkulesa   Feb-23-04 10:01 PM   #143 
     - me too  Djinn   Feb-24-04 12:50 AM   #157 
  - Observations from a battle scarred "belief" soldier; there is enough  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:23 PM   #132 
  - Then we can knock off the ReTHUGlican bashing...  BiggJawn   Feb-23-04 09:30 PM   #133 
  - I'm a Christian who doesn't believe in hell, actually.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:33 PM   #135 
     - curious  Djinn   Feb-24-04 12:53 AM   #158 
  - This may be the ONE place in the world where non-believers  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:31 PM   #134 
  - Good post  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 09:54 PM   #140 
  - its a valid point that we are in the hefty minority here  arewethereyet   Feb-23-04 11:01 PM   #149 
  - Perhaps we believers are worrying too much about DU.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 09:42 PM   #136 
  - these are values atheists subscribe to also  Marianne   Feb-23-04 10:00 PM   #142 
     - Sorry--of course I know that, I stated it poorly.  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 10:11 PM   #145 
  - my thoughts on a double standard.  nemo137   Feb-23-04 10:50 PM   #147 
  - I swear that this is a humorous thread. :)  tkulesa   Feb-24-04 11:13 AM   #177 
  - As a Christian, I like this!  Goldberg   Feb-23-04 11:04 PM   #150 
  - I'm anti-dogma, but usually get along fine with liberal theists  Ladyhawk   Feb-24-04 12:41 AM   #155 
  - DU has always had this problem and it  DemBones DemBones   Feb-24-04 01:39 AM   #159 
  - needs repeating  Tolania   Feb-24-04 03:39 AM   #166 
  - Get a grip. There adults? they can stand on their own 2 feet.  LibertyorDeath   Feb-24-04 02:35 AM   #164 
  - well......  corporatewhore   Feb-24-04 02:51 AM   #165 
  - Reading through some of the posts...  Q   Feb-24-04 05:54 AM   #168 
  - I´m probably a minority here but I think  Vernunft II   Feb-24-04 06:33 AM   #169 
  - What about free speech?  mac2   Feb-24-04 11:21 AM   #179 
  - A good thread  JellyBean1   Feb-24-04 06:40 AM   #171 
  - Did you forget about free speech?  mac2   Feb-24-04 11:19 AM   #178 
  - Did you read the thread, or just post a knee-jerk reaction?  TXlib   Feb-24-04 01:04 PM   #189 
  - if the sentiment isn't friendly and you can't handle opposing views.....  jus_the_facts   Feb-24-04 12:20 PM   #187 
  - :shrug:  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-24-04 01:09 PM   #191 
 

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