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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 06:56 PM
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161. that's right
it's Nader's fault not all the americans who voted for Bush or didn't bother voting?

Get the same argument here sometimes, although we vote in order of preference you pretty much know that eventually the counting comes down to two parties and therefore a third party vote is "waste" or "helping the enemy" There is almost zero differences between our Labor and Liberal parties anymore but if I don't want to vote for "pro-trade", economic rationalist private/public partnership pushing bunch of middle aged middle class white men, and pick a third party I'm "helping the conservatives" or "wasting my vote" actually I'm taking part in a democratic process and the people that say otherwise would seem to me more comfortable with facism.
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  -Ralph Nader on the Conservative Idiot List???? Rationality  Feb-22-04 10:57 PM   #0 
  - You bring up the very issues that I have been asking...  kalian   Feb-22-04 10:59 PM   #1 
  - Maybe "the people" in Berkeley.  RandomKoolzip   Feb-22-04 11:10 PM   #9 
  - As one of the people close to Berkely, I must protest  alittlelark   Feb-23-04 12:19 AM   #72 
  - Don't feel like a jerk. It's the voting system you should blame.  blurp   Feb-23-04 01:05 AM   #80 
  - the march issue of scientific american has an article about just that  Chef_Ramen_Noodle   Feb-23-04 06:46 AM   #100 
  - Always a pleasure, RKZ! You said it well--  blondeatlast   Feb-23-04 06:49 AM   #101 
  - last time I looked our party was the party of diverse opinions. Every  roguevalley   Feb-23-04 01:31 AM   #82 
  - last time I looked  lazarus   Feb-23-04 09:51 AM   #118 
     - Tsk, tsk...  chiburb   Feb-23-04 11:48 AM   #141 
  - Surely  WorstPresidentEver   Feb-23-04 09:22 AM   #109 
  - Disagree.  donco6   Feb-22-04 11:03 PM   #2 
  - is he a conservative  bpilgrim   Feb-22-04 11:06 PM   #4 
     - No, but the "idiot" part is worth two slots alone.  donco6   Feb-22-04 11:22 PM   # 
     - He's an idiot.  japanduh   Feb-22-04 11:34 PM   #39 
        - Nader will serve to up the stakes for both  physaf   Feb-23-04 11:10 AM   #120 
  - Kudos to admin for placing Nader in this week's top 10  jchild   Feb-22-04 11:05 PM   #3 
  - agreed  Blue_Chill   Feb-22-04 11:22 PM   #24 
  - Agreed! Go Admins!  Kahuna   Feb-22-04 11:53 PM   #49 
  - agreed  Lindacooks   Feb-23-04 01:47 AM   #85 
  - AGREE!  Killarney   Feb-23-04 07:05 AM   #106 
  - I think it's great!  NNadir   Feb-22-04 11:06 PM   #5 
  - Sily misinformed you. Nader was a vocal opponent of the war -- I heard him  Oregonian   Feb-22-04 11:16 PM   #17 
     - Your responses are well thought out  physaf   Feb-23-04 11:12 AM   #121 
  - "He's not our enemy." ???????  nostamj   Feb-22-04 11:08 PM   #6 
  - I don't know if it is proper to characterize it as a "lie" ...  physaf   Feb-23-04 11:14 AM   #122 
  - I just read them. Both entries about him are true.  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-22-04 11:08 PM   #7 
  - agreed  lunabush   Feb-22-04 11:30 PM   #36 
  - ah,  Captain Absolut   Feb-22-04 11:49 PM   #47 
     - Uhhh. In elections, it kinda works like that.  Kahuna   Feb-22-04 11:55 PM   #50 
     - Yes, exactly  MurikanDemocrat   Feb-23-04 01:19 AM   #81 
     - Umm, that's what Ralph is doing.  Liberal_Guerilla   Feb-23-04 01:32 AM   #83 
  - I'm not familiar with the Democrat Party  syrinx9999   Feb-22-04 11:10 PM   #8 
  - Nor am I.  DesertDem   Feb-23-04 06:43 AM   #98 
  - You are a thoughtful young voter who has obviously studied history ...  Oregonian   Feb-22-04 11:10 PM   #10 
  - As such, he has no business posting to DU!  NightTrain   Feb-22-04 11:21 PM   #23 
  - You're welcome Oregonian  Rationality   Feb-23-04 12:10 AM   #66 
  - I think the admin needs to place himself on the list next  Camaro   Feb-22-04 11:10 PM   #11 
  - That doesn't matter here...  FDRrocks   Feb-22-04 11:16 PM   #16 
  - Yes, he's done many wonderful things.  mac56   Feb-23-04 09:31 AM   #110 
  - I can't believe they put that great man on that list! I am outraged!  Blue_Chill   Feb-22-04 11:13 PM   #12 
  - I knew you lied.  Kahuna   Feb-22-04 11:56 PM   #51 
     - hehehe  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 09:41 AM   #112 
  - idiot is too soft a characterization . . .  bigskydem   Feb-22-04 11:14 PM   #13 
  - Agreed, that pisses me off.....  FDRrocks   Feb-22-04 11:15 PM   #14 
  - Thank you!  NightTrain   Feb-22-04 11:15 PM   #15 
  - (((Night Train)))  FDRrocks   Feb-22-04 11:17 PM   #20 
  - Always glad to help!  NightTrain   Feb-22-04 11:27 PM   #30 
  - DO NOT BOYCOTT the top 10 list and disparage it.  MsUnderstood   Feb-22-04 11:41 PM   #44 
  - I'm not disparaging the Top Ten; I'll start reading it again next week.  NightTrain   Feb-22-04 11:57 PM   #52 
  - Nader is an enemy to "Democrats." This is a Democratic..  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:00 AM   #55 
  - Clinton's policy was  DennisReveni   Feb-23-04 06:53 AM   #103 
  - as someone who gets to utilise preferential voting  Djinn   Feb-23-04 06:48 PM   #160 
  - Thanks NightTrain. Thanks a lot. My thoughts too. n/t  Tinoire   Feb-22-04 11:42 PM   #45 
  - A pity party for Nader? Excuse me if I don't join.  Kahuna   Feb-22-04 11:58 PM   #53 
     - Since you can't tell the difference between pity and simple respect...  NightTrain   Feb-23-04 12:01 AM   #56 
     - He is responsible for too much destruction to be deserving  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:22 AM   #75 
        - What destruction do you think he is responsible for?  physaf   Feb-23-04 11:21 AM   #124 
     - I doubt you even really give a shit about that stuff  Forkboy   Feb-23-04 12:09 AM   #64 
     - Let me explain, "not bother," Personally, it will affect  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 06:13 AM   #89 
        - I think you're full of it  Forkboy   Feb-23-04 08:05 PM   #165 
     - that's right  Djinn   Feb-23-04 06:56 PM   #161 
  - Look who's being a tad soft  Alenne   Feb-22-04 11:17 PM   #18 
  - Kumbaya - Ha! Now that's funny!  feistydem   Feb-22-04 11:30 PM   #35 
  - And once again...  Bluzmann57   Feb-22-04 11:17 PM   #19 
  - They stole it but  Blue_Chill   Feb-22-04 11:20 PM   #22 
  - Thank you for you common sense and intelligence. Nader should be admired  Oregonian   Feb-22-04 11:22 PM   #25 
  - admired? Yup I'll put right next to Hannity on my least admired list  Blue_Chill   Feb-22-04 11:27 PM   #32 
     - How does Nader do more damage?  FDRrocks   Feb-22-04 11:29 PM   #34 
        - How many democrats have you met....  Blue_Chill   Feb-22-04 11:34 PM   #38 
           - I read on this very site...  FDRrocks   Feb-22-04 11:36 PM   #41 
  - Whatever. He still is working against us. That's the point.  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:01 AM   #57 
  - You REALLY believe that nader didn't  DiverDave   Feb-23-04 06:44 AM   #99 
  - Two words: New Hampshire  wellstone_democrat   Feb-23-04 07:02 AM   #105 
  - A Vote for Nader Is A Vote For Bush (If He Changes Your Vote)  LoneStarLiberal   Feb-22-04 11:20 PM   #21 
  - he already said he lost no sleep over 2000 - he doesn't have a conscience  Woodstock   Feb-22-04 11:26 PM   #28 
  - Good for DU, right on, applause, way to go, amen  Woodstock   Feb-22-04 11:22 PM   #26 
  - I don't think Ralph is a conservative ... but he is an idiot and ..  feistydem   Feb-22-04 11:25 PM   #27 
  - some WOULD say  leftofthedial   Feb-22-04 11:27 PM   #29 
  - Nader has declared himself an enemy to the Democrats  Doomsayer13   Feb-22-04 11:27 PM   #31 
  - Conservative Idiots list?  bvar22   Feb-22-04 11:28 PM   #33 
  - Yup  Doomsayer13   Feb-22-04 11:31 PM   #37 
  - Dean addressed DU's anger and look where it got him.  Liberal_Guerilla   Feb-22-04 11:35 PM   #40 
  - Isn't it amazing how the true believers still defend this POS?  Unknown Known   Feb-22-04 11:36 PM   #42 
  - I don't know about idiot  furrylitldevil   Feb-22-04 11:38 PM   #43 
  - Sorry  Rowdyboy   Feb-22-04 11:48 PM   #46 
  - He IS the reason my nephew's life has been ruined.  The Zanti Regent   Feb-23-04 12:00 AM   #54 
     - Sorry about your nephew, but...  Rationality   Feb-23-04 12:03 AM   #59 
     - yet you support Kerry  Forkboy   Feb-23-04 12:06 AM   #61 
     - Bush didn't need Kerry's permission or vote to go to war...  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:09 AM   #65 
        - Nader is more directly to blame than Nader is?  Rationality   Feb-23-04 12:15 AM   #68 
        - And Kerry wants 40,000 more  Forkboy   Feb-23-04 12:15 AM   #69 
           - And bush will give you a draft. Count on it!  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:17 AM   #70 
              - So what's Kerry's excuse?  Forkboy   Feb-23-04 12:20 AM   #74 
                 - Did you miss the part about bush not needing Kerry's vote...  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 06:17 AM   #90 
                    - Exactly  Forkboy   Feb-23-04 07:41 PM   #164 
     - I am so sorry about your nephew. I too think Ralph is  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:08 AM   #62 
     - You clearly support a man  Djinn   Feb-23-04 07:05 PM   #162 
  - Well that does it! The Dems don't want my vote!  Kahuna   Feb-22-04 11:51 PM   #48 
  - He deserves it.  tedoll78   Feb-23-04 12:03 AM   #58 
  - Do you plan to do it in the Bush?  Rationality   Feb-23-04 12:05 AM   #60 
     - I refer to other things as Bush.  tedoll78   Feb-23-04 12:08 AM   #63 
  - He has earned his place there rightfully with the qualifications provided  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-23-04 12:13 AM   #67 
  - For those of you who choose to defend Nader  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 12:17 AM   #71 
  - Nader supporters want bush to win. Don't you get it?  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 12:20 AM   #73 
     - I hate to paint with broad strokes  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 12:27 AM   #76 
     - If this "miniscule minority" is such a concern...  Devils Advocate NZ   Feb-23-04 03:15 AM   #87 
        - They are free to accept the Democratic party or not..  Kahuna   Feb-23-04 06:26 AM   #91 
           - Yet this "miniscule minority" can lose the election for the Dems?  Devils Advocate NZ   Feb-23-04 02:29 PM   #154 
  - Nader could help define Kerry  ProgMommy   Feb-23-04 12:33 AM   #77 
  - Welcome to DU!!!!  FDRrocks   Feb-23-04 12:52 AM   #78 
  - Thanks  ProgMommy   Feb-23-04 12:58 AM   #79 
     - Welcome to DU, ProgMommy!  orangepeel68   Feb-23-04 09:47 AM   #117 
  - I think you don't know the Democratic candidates very well  Tinoire   Feb-23-04 01:43 AM   #84 
     - So,  Pithlet   Feb-23-04 07:08 PM   #163 
        - Harsh? Click on the profile and tell my how harsh that was  Tinoire   Feb-24-04 11:05 PM   #166 
  - I agree with you, Rationality.  Cat Atomic   Feb-23-04 02:12 AM   #86 
  - Accuracy doesn't matter.  Iverson   Feb-23-04 06:13 AM   #88 
  - No harm, no foul  SaddenedDem   Feb-23-04 06:28 AM   #92 
  - LOL  Sandpiper   Feb-23-04 02:49 PM   #155 
  - Made my morning!  union_maid   Feb-23-04 06:32 AM   #93 
  - Who does he "Advocate" for?  BiggJawn   Feb-23-04 06:34 AM   #94 
  - Nader's ego is running for president  Loonman   Feb-23-04 06:34 AM   #95 
  - Agreed. He belongs on that list as a right-wing enabler.  Zynx   Feb-23-04 06:37 AM   #96 
     - I guess  DennisReveni   Feb-23-04 06:56 AM   #104 
        - If they become sore losers and try to play spoiler  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 12:07 PM   #144 
  - Ya Know  DennisReveni   Feb-23-04 06:41 AM   #97 
  - Nader as an advocate for public safety did some good things,  8643   Feb-23-04 06:52 AM   #102 
  - Dems/D+ Repubs/D-  ProfessorGAC   Feb-23-04 09:12 AM   #107 
  - Nader hate sickens me...I suppose the EPA, seat belt laws...  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-23-04 09:18 AM   #108 
  - Precisely.  mac56   Feb-23-04 09:44 AM   #113 
  - I disagree  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-23-04 09:46 AM   #115 
     - If he's indeed "the leader of the left" -  mac56   Feb-23-04 09:52 AM   #119 
        - Bye! Don't come back!  JohnLocke   Feb-23-04 11:35 AM   #133 
           - who, me?  mac56   Feb-23-04 11:47 AM   #139 
              - Sorry, misplaced response  JohnLocke   Feb-23-04 02:16 PM   #152 
  - If you help an one old lady across the street can you then kill one...  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 09:45 AM   #114 
  - wrong  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-23-04 09:47 AM   #116 
  - If Nader had stuck to fighting the auto industry  mobuto   Feb-23-04 11:23 AM   #125 
     - yes, he is very much responsible for the EPA  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-23-04 11:30 AM   #129 
        - The Bush Administration is a pretty-big negative  mobuto   Feb-23-04 11:46 AM   #138 
           - That's nice  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-23-04 11:48 AM   #140 
              - "The Establishment"?  mobuto   Feb-23-04 01:50 PM   #148 
                 - no sir, the Establishment transcends party lines  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-23-04 02:11 PM   #150 
  - Yes!  LeahMira   Feb-23-04 09:33 AM   #111 
  - Huge difference between Kucinich, Sharpton and Nader  mobuto   Feb-23-04 11:32 AM   #130 
  - as well he should be  drdigi420   Feb-23-04 11:19 AM   #123 
  - Well, he's certainly an idiot. Close enough for me.  John_H   Feb-23-04 11:27 AM   #126 
  - the final straw for me  ann_coulter_is_a_man   Feb-23-04 11:27 AM   #127 
  - Don't let the door hit you  mobuto   Feb-23-04 11:30 AM   #128 
  - at least the nation  ann_coulter_is_a_man   Feb-23-04 11:33 AM   #132 
     - You can leave our "DLC shill" website now.  JohnLocke   Feb-23-04 11:36 AM   #135 
     - DLC OMG OMFG THE DLC ONOS!  Blue_Chill   Feb-23-04 12:01 PM   #142 
  - Bye!  tedoll78   Feb-23-04 11:32 AM   #131 
     - we'll leave the enabling to John Kerry  ann_coulter_is_a_man   Feb-23-04 11:35 AM   #134 
        - Who's We?  ProfessorGAC   Feb-23-04 11:39 AM   #136 
        - Kerry's voting record - yup Enabler  mobuto   Feb-23-04 11:44 AM   #137 
  - Very Bold move by DU if you ask me.......And I agree %100  SideshowScott   Feb-23-04 12:05 PM   #143 
  - From words right out of Nader's mouth -  FlaGranny   Feb-23-04 01:16 PM   #145 
  - He did that in 2000  1gobluedem   Feb-23-04 02:14 PM   #151 
  - It made my day!  truthbetold   Feb-23-04 01:23 PM   #146 
  - Completely Appropriate, as he is an Idiot (nm)  throwthebumsout   Feb-23-04 01:43 PM   #147 
  - DU is a joke  PatrickS   Feb-23-04 01:54 PM   #149 
  - Now that I wouldn't agree with... (n/t)  Rationality   Feb-23-04 02:19 PM   #153 
  - What a way to go  candy331   Feb-23-04 06:23 PM   #156 
     - Well said n/t  FDRrocks   Feb-23-04 06:33 PM   #157 
  - For other reasons, Nader shouldn't be up there  HypnoToad   Feb-23-04 06:39 PM   #158 
  - We only have ourselves to blame.  Sterling   Feb-23-04 06:40 PM   #159 
  - Yeah might as well put Abe Lincoln and FDR up there too  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-24-04 11:08 PM   #167 
 

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