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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. Nader as "Advocate for Change?"
To position himself as the authentic advocate for change, Nader MUST focus almost exclusively on the incumbent president, as I indicated in my original post. After all, Bush's party also happens to control both houses of Congress, who are relentlessly advancing his agenda. He has presided over an acceleration of trends across the full issue spectrum which Nader has always resisted, issue by issue.

It seems you are in general agreement with my reasoning, but as to point #7, let me say this: the Dem nominee should not contest Nader when his opinions diverge from the nominee's position. Rather, he should say, "You're right." (And I'm glad you're here to deepen the discussion on such critical matters). Then, continue to advance and articulate the Democratic message and positions - don't give Nader (or Nader supporters) reason to focus on the Democratic nominee. Unless provoked, Nader will be on auto pilot condemning Bush.
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  -Nader Wins It For Dems devoedem  Feb-22-04 08:59 AM   #0 
  - Agree Completely - Rove Will Have to Fight On Two Fronts  mhr   Feb-22-04 09:05 AM   #1 
  - actually three fronts  Ardee   Feb-22-04 10:40 AM   #23 
  - your all DEAD WRONG  shooga   Feb-22-04 10:53 AM   #28 
     - Why do you think those who admire Nader would  physaf   Feb-23-04 11:34 AM   #46 
  - will also deflect VOTES  shooga   Feb-22-04 11:32 AM   #32 
  - True. Nader is an alternative choice  rock   Feb-22-04 09:05 AM   #2 
  - Interesting take and PLAUSIBLE, except ....  jfxgillis   Feb-22-04 09:09 AM   #3 
  - Thanks for your thoughtful reply..  devoedem   Feb-22-04 09:38 AM   #8 
     - Well, let me explain  jfxgillis   Feb-22-04 10:02 AM   #15 
        - Net positive votes..  devoedem   Feb-22-04 10:15 AM   #17 
  - I don't see him as a very effective spoiler this time around...  alg0912   Feb-22-04 09:12 AM   #4 
  - This is exactly what I've been thinking.........  BigDaddyLove   Feb-22-04 12:38 PM   #35 
  - You overlooked something!  Tennessee Gal   Feb-22-04 09:12 AM   #5 
  - But Republicans  Jawja   Feb-22-04 09:44 AM   #9 
  - A quickie visit to FR is all the evidence necessary.  blondeatlast   Feb-22-04 10:23 AM   #20 
  - Besides, he's attacking Dems, too.  blondeatlast   Feb-22-04 10:27 AM   #21 
  - Is there a place for Dem's to defeat Nader?  FormerRushFan   Feb-22-04 10:01 AM   #14 
  - Once upon a time  Ardee   Feb-22-04 10:43 AM   #24 
  - Those pockets will certainly come through for  physaf   Feb-23-04 11:37 AM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-04 09:15 AM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-22-04 09:15 AM   #7 
  - But Nader s attacks will make it easier for those Pubs who  opihimoimoi   Feb-22-04 09:53 AM   #12 
     - Exactly..........  BigDaddyLove   Feb-22-04 12:47 PM   #37 
  - I have wondered the same thing  Maeve   Feb-22-04 09:49 AM   #10 
  - Nader might make our nominee LOOK more centrist  orangepeel68   Feb-22-04 09:50 AM   #11 
  - Does anyone remember Ralph's campaign last time 'round?  Kitsune   Feb-22-04 09:55 AM   #13 
  - Listening to Nader this AM made me think he could help Dems!  guajira   Feb-22-04 10:13 AM   #16 
  - He also said Gore would have got us into Iraq as well.  blondeatlast   Feb-22-04 10:20 AM   #19 
  - And Nader reminded everyone that we are in Iraq for the oil  guajira   Feb-22-04 10:43 AM   #25 
  - Do you honesly believe Rove gives a DAMN about Nader?  blondeatlast   Feb-22-04 10:18 AM   #18 
  - Nader is toast  watercolors   Feb-22-04 10:29 AM   #22 
  - Of course he's a threat  Ardee   Feb-22-04 10:46 AM   #26 
  - I really liked Nader on MTP. I may have to vote and work for him  cryofan   Feb-22-04 10:52 AM   #27 
  - On Voting for Nader - One Word: Don't !!  welshTerrier2   Feb-22-04 11:24 AM   #30 
  - Picking battles...  LeahMira   Feb-22-04 05:22 PM   #44 
  - And that's exacly why Nader is going to hurt the Democrats  amBushed   Feb-22-04 02:53 PM   #42 
  - I just finished watching MTP...  Punkingal   Feb-22-04 11:17 AM   #29 
  - What are you talking about?  TheBlob   Feb-22-04 11:32 AM   #31 
     - Sorry,,,  Punkingal   Feb-22-04 12:23 PM   #34 
  - Sorry, but Nader will *not* be siphoning off any GOP votes...  rezmutt   Feb-22-04 11:56 AM   #33 
  - what - no Repub nader voters????  daveskilt   Feb-22-04 02:40 PM   #39 
  - Huzzah for Nader!!  daveskilt   Feb-22-04 12:47 PM   #36 
  - Nader as "Advocate for Change?"  Punkingal   Feb-22-04 04:58 PM   #43 
  - Remember Nader!  TankLV   Feb-22-04 01:06 PM   #38 
  - Fanciful thinking,  rpf113   Feb-22-04 02:45 PM   #40 
  - Nader the Enabler  WorstPresidentEver   Feb-22-04 02:51 PM   #41 
  - Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.  Cleita   Feb-22-04 05:35 PM   #45 
  - I don't see how Nader would cause repubs to vote dem  rman   Feb-23-04 11:53 AM   #48 
  - Nader will...  Tank in Texas   Feb-23-04 11:58 AM   #49 

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