Reply #87: No, you address the issue

[Heddi]

you are the one who said: Well, they were already victimized as children doesn't that count for anything? Shouldn't we have sympathy for victims? Theirs is a condition of mental illness - will you gleefully watch as all people with mental problems are tortured?

Should we just start torturing the misfortunate? Is that the answer?


You are equating pedophillia (one who has a sexual attraction towards prepubesent children. Also refers to those who enact upon the sexual attraction by engaging in inappropriate sexual conduct with prepubesent children) with mental illness.

Pedophilia is a mental disorder. So is depression. But someone who is clinically depressive does NOT choose to be clinically depressed. Equally, an adult who has sexual attractions towards prepubesent children does not CHOOSE to have that attraction, but those who act on their fantasies Do, in fact, CHOOSE to have sexual relations with children.

We, as a society, should hold our sympathy and pity and empathy for those that TRULY deserve it. We don't have sympathy for a serial murderer--who often grew up in horrid conditions which lead to mental illness causing them to become serial murders.

We don't have sympathy for rapists, who often have issues with women and issues of holding power over women, but rapists, too, suffer from mental illnesses.

Certain people with mental illnesses are kept from society in general because those people pose a threat to society in general. Take a schizophrenic who refuses to take their medication, and has homocidal tendencies. That person repeatedly tries to act on those homocidal tendencies. Generally, we as a society will remove that person from the general population and put them in special housing where they are limited in the acting-out of their homocidal tendencies.

Equally, those who prey upon children, who haven't yet formed the cognitive skills to know an adult with good intentions vs. an adult without good intentions should equally be removed from society.

I never advocated ANYWHERE< in this post or any other, for "killing the bad guy by any means possible"---I'm against the death penalty, although I have my own personal fantasies of justice for the sick fucks who torture children and force them to perform things that no child should have to endure.

Could this cop do this job to fake a shield for his own pedophilic illness? Sure. Some people become police officers because they have issues with power, and enjoy the ability to enforce power over people. That doesn't mean that all cops are sadistic, or all people who 'out' internet pedophiles are perverts themselves.

But it is you, who throughout this thread, who has stated that we must feel sympathy for pedophiles. We must comfort them in their illness. To me, you're basically saying "So what if they hurt a child. They, themselves were hurt too. The perpitrator AND the child are both victims of child abuse" and that is just bullshit.

As stated above, I DO have sympathy for anyone--child or adult, alive or dead, good natured or evil, who suffered abuse (physical, mental, emotional, sexual) abuse at the hands of someone they trusted. HOWEVER, My sympathy GOES OUT THE WINDOW when that person MAKES THE DECISION to inflict the same pain upon MORE innocent children. The "circle of violence" canard doesn't hold up for me. I'm a victim of the "circle of violence"---Perhaps my molestor's molestor was molested as a child, and that person was molested as a child, ad infinitum. Does that make the pain they inflicted on me, and countless others somehow less painful? Does that make their acts upon children somehow less bad?

Most people who physically abuse their spouse and/or their children grew up in physically abusive homes themselves. Do we feel pitty for the man who killed his wife in a fit of rage because dinner wasn't hot because his daddy beat him with a belt? Do we feel sorrow for the mother who dislocates her child's arm or burns them with hot liquid because their room wasn't clean enough because she was beaten by her parents when she was younger?

No. We feel bad that those things happened to them in their youth, but we do not allow their abuse to be an exemption from their behaviour as an adult. That man had a CHOICE not to physically beat his wife. That woman had a CHOICE not to throw boiling water in the face of her child.

Equally, my perpitrator made the CHOICE---repeatedly, to stalk children. He made the CHOICE to always live within walking distance to elementary and middle schools. He made the CHOICE to live in child-infested neighborhoods. He made the CHOICE to befriend children with ill intentions. He made the CHOICE to undress a child and sodomize them. These are all CHOICES, and I feel no pity for them, and it's quite telling that you think we should.