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sleepystudent Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 07:27 PM
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26. just my rambling opinion...
Sorry, long time lurker on here...almost never feel inclined to post anything. But, I am black and gay too( wasn't raised in the black church though) and strangely enough, don't agree with this original post-or at least not completely. It just seems that everyone that compares this new struggle with the black civil rights struggle talks about the fight for black civil rights in the past tense-as if they got their rights and now it is our turn. The black civil rights struggle is far from over and it seeme like people will now simply turn their attention to the gay rights struggle because it seems "easier" to solve or gay people seem "easier" to deal with, perhaps because the face of the gay community put forth in the media is that of the white male, middle to upper middle class, educated, non-threatening, with great taste. Other types of gays are not seen. And I think this is conscious. In my opinion this is one reason that the Matthew Shepard murder, while horrible, got way more attention than the murder of someone like Sakia Gunn, even in the gay community- he was a more photogenic, relatable face for the media.

And let's not even go into the racism in the gay community itself-if you are going to blanket condemn the black community for homophobia, you need to call the gay community out on their racism.

Sometimes I worry that so many groups latch on to the iconography of the civil rights movement because it retains a residual power for so many people-but they do not latch onto the movement itself-I don't see many gay people condemning police brutality, etc. And there is a tension between black people and white gays in many places and it goes beyond issues of morality. There are issues of gentrification in some neighborhoods, for one example. I don't think you can just sweep it all under the rug and demand that all oppressed groups hold hands. And as it stands now, in the black community for many, conditions are getting worse and are moving backwards in many cases. Black people are seen as a "problem" people and people are just throwing up their hands-there seems to be a pessimism compounded by the fact that this struggle has been going on for a century and we expected more at this point. The gay rights struggle is less than a century old and looks like it will be getting results very quickly(I think gay marriage will be legal within 5-10 years) and many gays also benefit from white privilege which gives them a leg up. And I'm sorry, is the right to marry really that much more important than the right to be free from police brutality or the decimation of an entire generation due to imprisonment? Some of these issues just don't register with many black people and I can understand the resentment that creates.
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  -Some thoughts about black rights vs. GLBT rights Chovexani  Feb-19-04 03:42 PM   #0 
  - Wow... very powerful statement!  Lisa0825   Feb-19-04 03:45 PM   #1 
  - uh..What exactly did Jesse Jackson say?  anti-NAFTA   Feb-19-04 03:51 PM   #2 
  - looks like no one has the decency to respond to my question  anti-NAFTA   Feb-19-04 03:57 PM   #6 
     - Jesse is waffling on gay rights  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 04:01 PM   #9 
        - I don't see what is so shocking about what Jackson said  anti-NAFTA   Feb-19-04 04:04 PM   #11 
           - The shocking part  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-19-04 04:16 PM   #12 
           - Being a "mainstream" view makes it right?  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 04:40 PM   #15 
  - GLBT struggle exactly analagous to race struggle.  DenverDem   Feb-19-04 03:53 PM   #3 
  - If you get any more eloquent, you'll be speaking in iambic pentameter  DuctapeFatwa   Feb-19-04 03:53 PM   #4 
  - Hey thanks  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 03:55 PM   #5 
     - mebbe i'm the only one who feels this way....  distortionmarshall   Feb-19-04 03:59 PM   #8 
        - I'm glad they were  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 04:04 PM   #10 
  - Yep. Hypocrisy and hatred know no colors...  chiburb   Feb-19-04 03:58 PM   #7 
  - delinking the civil rights movement is just what the right wants...  booley   Feb-19-04 04:23 PM   #13 
  - The Religious Reich pits minorities against each other  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 05:07 PM   #17 
  - Black & LGBT  David__77   Feb-19-04 04:36 PM   #14 
  - Well said, Chovexani  dirk   Feb-19-04 04:54 PM   #16 
  - What the hell does gays getting married have to do with  Solomon   Feb-19-04 05:44 PM   #18 
  - Thanks for your opinion, but you sort of missed the point of my post  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 05:58 PM   #19 
  - Not to argue with you, but I think you missed the point of MY  Solomon   Feb-19-04 06:19 PM   #20 
     - I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 06:51 PM   #21 
        - Oh. So in order to make things equal, you would force husband and  Solomon   Feb-19-04 07:37 PM   #30 
           - What's in a Word?  mondo joe   Feb-19-04 07:39 PM   #31 
           - Look. What a trickster you try to be. I couldn't give a rat's ass  Solomon   Feb-19-04 07:57 PM   #39 
              - We do agree on this one item  mondo joe   Feb-19-04 08:15 PM   #44 
           - Yes.  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 08:23 PM   #45 
              - Wrong wrong wrong. The state has every right to get involved in  Solomon   Feb-19-04 09:26 PM   #47 
  - Sorry to horn in on your oppression monopoly  mondo joe   Feb-19-04 07:35 PM   #29 
  - Now see, you're another one. I specifically said that gays should have  Solomon   Feb-19-04 07:44 PM   #34 
     - I sincerely submit to you that if it's just a word what do you care?  mondo joe   Feb-19-04 07:49 PM   #37 
        - There you go again with the back of the bus shit again.  Solomon   Feb-19-04 09:29 PM   #48 
  - That's funny  kiahzero   Feb-19-04 07:47 PM   #35 
  - Not that I want to contribute to an intellectual pissing contest...  DrWeird   Feb-19-04 07:57 PM   #40 
  - i have respect for this struggle, however  vamil93   Feb-19-04 07:09 PM   #22 
  - According to that reasoning,  QC   Feb-19-04 07:16 PM   #24 
     - do these log cabin republicans  vamil93   Feb-19-04 07:25 PM   #25 
        - Does the LCR...  foreigncorrespondent   Feb-19-04 07:32 PM   #27 
        - which group does?  vamil93   Feb-19-04 07:44 PM   #33 
           - Just because...  foreigncorrespondent   Feb-19-04 07:48 PM   #36 
              - you have yet to actually say why  vamil93   Feb-19-04 07:59 PM   #41 
        - Far from it.  QC   Feb-19-04 07:40 PM   #32 
           - thank you  vamil93   Feb-19-04 08:02 PM   #43 
              - I have so idea why so many GLBTs voted for Bush.  QC   Feb-19-04 09:46 PM   #49 
  - Very well said!  foreigncorrespondent   Feb-19-04 07:10 PM   #23 
  - just my rambling opinion...  sleepystudent   Feb-19-04 07:27 PM   #26 
  - Just a nitpick...  sleepystudent   Feb-19-04 07:34 PM   #28 
  - Welcome to DU  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 08:00 PM   #42 
  - when someone already on the lifeboat..  deseo   Feb-19-04 07:54 PM   #38 
     - Something that gets lost in the sauce  Chovexani   Feb-19-04 08:43 PM   #46 

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