cryofan
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Wed Feb-18-04 09:12 AM
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we need kids in order to work and pay into Social Security. So in order to get these kids, we bribe parents by cutting them a deal on taxes. That costs us some money, but we cannot do without the kids.
So, how does it help us to cut non-reproductive pairings with a tax deal?
I do not see the motivation for me to support gay marriage. This has nothing to do with morals or anything like that. It is a wallet issue, a business transaction.
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| -Hetero DUers who DON'T support G/L/B/T marriage... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 08:56 AM |
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Exactly |
demnan |
Feb-18-04 08:58 AM |
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Your point? |
Callous Taoboys |
Feb-18-04 08:59 AM |
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I thought my point was obvious.... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 09:01 AM |
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Yes, it is an EXCELLENT article. |
Lisa0825 |
Feb-18-04 09:08 AM |
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Some people... |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 09:09 AM |
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That is all well and good |
ComerPerro |
Feb-18-04 09:11 AM |
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if their god tells them not to marry someone of their gender... |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 09:13 AM |
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Not saying a church/religion shouldn't... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 09:14 AM |
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But government has to answer to the people. |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 09:21 AM |
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It would be considered "forcing it down their throats" if |
Dhalgren |
Feb-18-04 09:49 AM |
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Reply |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 10:19 AM |
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You mean like the Supreme Court forcing W |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 10:25 AM |
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Reply |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 10:30 AM |
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That's interesting |
kiahzero |
Feb-19-04 08:37 AM |
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Thats always my response... |
Cannikin |
Feb-19-04 02:59 PM |
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The argument goes either way. |
YNGW |
Feb-19-04 03:04 PM |
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LIKE THEY expect us to support a country or more specifically a government |
Hippo_Tron |
Feb-19-04 08:12 PM |
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Congress shall make no law |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Feb-18-04 12:00 PM |
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Reply |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 12:07 PM |
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They used religious language |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Feb-18-04 02:42 PM |
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Because this misused religious language then... |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 05:16 PM |
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It doesn't matter. |
Pithlet |
Feb-18-04 05:26 PM |
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actually race was (and still is by some fundies) considered a sin |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 06:18 PM |
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But just 100 years ago, it WAS a sin to be nice to and/or marry blacks |
DinoBoy |
Feb-19-04 01:33 PM |
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Reply |
YNGW |
Feb-19-04 02:18 PM |
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One day when I was a Catholic... |
chiburb |
Feb-19-04 02:25 PM |
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Exactly |
YNGW |
Feb-19-04 02:44 PM |
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It IS a sin to wear 50-50 cotton poly |
DinoBoy |
Feb-19-04 03:07 PM |
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I beg to differ...Another King James can have it edited like last time. |
Cannikin |
Feb-19-04 03:09 PM |
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If 2/3rds of Americans wanted to ban freedom of religion... |
Hippo_Tron |
Feb-19-04 08:24 PM |
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"Marrage" should not be somthing for the state.... |
DavidMS |
Feb-18-04 09:25 AM |
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Argh, no! I'm not letting churches take this over too |
truthspeaker |
Feb-18-04 09:27 AM |
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Yes... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Feb-18-04 09:44 AM |
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You see... |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 09:59 AM |
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Well... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Feb-18-04 10:14 AM |
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That's it, precisely |
Pikku |
Feb-18-04 07:04 PM |
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Of course it's their right |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 09:46 AM |
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Reply |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 10:07 AM |
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That is what the segregationists said. |
David__77 |
Feb-18-04 11:24 AM |
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Not saying that. |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 11:29 AM |
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They "said it with their guns" with desegregation too. |
David__77 |
Feb-18-04 12:59 PM |
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Maybe |
YNGW |
Feb-18-04 02:11 PM |
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So, |
Pithlet |
Feb-18-04 05:06 PM |
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yes, many bigots have used"religious beliefs" to condone |
jonnyblitz |
Feb-19-04 08:01 AM |
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So true n/t |
JuniorPlankton |
Feb-18-04 09:12 AM |
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are there really DUers who oppose universal marriage? |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 09:12 AM |
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That is a vague term |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 09:18 AM |
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Muddle... that is the FIRST time I've ever seen |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 09:20 AM |
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Some issues |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 09:22 AM |
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"You support polygamy?" |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 09:23 AM |
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What's wrong with polygamy? |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 09:36 AM |
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What's right with it? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 09:44 AM |
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Answer my question please. |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 09:48 AM |
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I oppose it |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 09:55 AM |
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Many people believe that |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 10:07 AM |
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We as a society choose what we wish |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 10:12 AM |
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What society wants |
Hammie |
Feb-18-04 11:28 AM |
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Not necessarily |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 11:33 AM |
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well |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 12:09 PM |
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What adults do impacts society and children as well |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 12:40 PM |
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What about facts? |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 02:27 PM |
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Polygmany |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 02:40 PM |
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Muddle: A little research and a link... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 04:02 PM |
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Many don't, Many more do |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-18-04 05:12 PM |
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That's the main reason why I'm against it. |
Pithlet |
Feb-18-04 05:18 PM |
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Having lived in Utah... |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 06:13 PM |
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you're right universal was a bad choice of words. |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 06:16 PM |
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I don't support it |
cryofan |
Feb-18-04 09:12 AM |
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Adoption? |
DumpGump |
Feb-18-04 09:14 AM |
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thank you |
seekthetruth |
Feb-18-04 01:46 PM |
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married people don't get a tax "deal" |
truthspeaker |
Feb-18-04 09:17 AM |
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Amen |
Hammie |
Feb-18-04 01:29 PM |
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Who said same-sex marriages don't/won't produce children? |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 09:17 AM |
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or cloning... |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 06:20 PM |
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marriage as a wallet issue |
veganwitch |
Feb-18-04 09:33 AM |
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You see marriage as a business deal? |
bowens43 |
Feb-18-04 09:40 AM |
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it's a business transaction! |
cryofan |
Feb-18-04 10:45 AM |
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but why assume that... |
veganwitch |
Feb-18-04 10:55 AM |
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why assume a released apple falls down instead of up? Clue: statistics! |
cryofan |
Feb-18-04 11:12 AM |
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what are the statistics for gay couples adopting or having children |
veganwitch |
Feb-18-04 11:24 AM |
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Look at it this way |
M155Y_A1CH |
Feb-18-04 09:48 AM |
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Ok then... |
foreigncorrespondent |
Feb-18-04 09:55 AM |
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shhh!!! |
veganwitch |
Feb-18-04 10:55 AM |
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LOL (n/t) |
foreigncorrespondent |
Feb-18-04 11:02 AM |
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Your're mistaken in these ways: |
mondo joe |
Feb-18-04 02:22 PM |
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Do you really think |
skippysmom |
Feb-18-04 03:02 PM |
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so, a question - should infertile hetero couples not marry? |
ulysses |
Feb-18-04 03:53 PM |
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Please read this then.... |
Rockholm |
Feb-19-04 07:46 AM |
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I pity those children |
WhereIsMyFreedom |
Feb-19-04 02:17 PM |
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Civil rights for all diminishes none |
Lurking_Argyle |
Feb-18-04 09:16 AM |
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I fully support gay marriage |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-18-04 09:19 AM |
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do you have any evidence that having gay parents affects development? |
truthspeaker |
Feb-18-04 09:26 AM |
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how would a civil union over marriage change parenting? |
veganwitch |
Feb-18-04 09:34 AM |
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Adoption |
LoverOfLiberty |
Feb-18-04 09:54 AM |
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It is opinion |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-18-04 10:36 AM |
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Everything you said above... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 10:46 AM |
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There have been studies done |
kiahzero |
Feb-19-04 08:42 AM |
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Oh, please |
kayell |
Feb-18-04 11:39 AM |
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That's what I said in post #50... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 11:49 AM |
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Sorry, I saw your post right after I blew up |
kayell |
Feb-18-04 01:12 PM |
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best. avatar. ever. |
veganwitch |
Feb-18-04 02:17 PM |
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Thank you, I'm SO happy for them |
kayell |
Feb-18-04 02:52 PM |
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dont they just look subversive and wicked |
daveskilt |
Feb-18-04 06:24 PM |
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Ignorance is |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-18-04 02:17 PM |
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Quite frankly, I feel no more need to try to educate or convince you |
kayell |
Feb-18-04 02:46 PM |
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If that's how you want to be |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-18-04 03:07 PM |
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Every Major Study Shows Kids of Gay Parents Fare as Well |
mondo joe |
Feb-18-04 02:27 PM |
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Define "major" |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-19-04 09:10 AM |
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All children are unconsenting. |
rbnyc |
Feb-18-04 04:25 PM |
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Unreal... |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-19-04 06:55 AM |
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im willing to say I dont know |
daveskilt |
Feb-19-04 07:14 AM |
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There is no good rule of thumb here. |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-19-04 08:42 AM |
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"I'm only really arguing for straight parents to be given preference over |
kayell |
Feb-19-04 07:25 AM |
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Thank You. |
rbnyc |
Feb-19-04 07:58 AM |
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Yep, had the same problem myself a few posts up thread |
kayell |
Feb-19-04 08:09 AM |
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Thanks. |
rbnyc |
Feb-19-04 08:14 AM |
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Oh |
Pithlet |
Feb-19-04 01:26 PM |
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Just because I don't agree with you entirely |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-19-04 08:29 AM |
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I bet some of your best friends are gay. |
rbnyc |
Feb-19-04 01:04 PM |
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Rbnyc... |
chiburb |
Feb-19-04 01:18 PM |
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Actually... |
rbnyc |
Feb-19-04 01:23 PM |
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Last post. |
sirjwtheblack |
Feb-19-04 02:07 PM |
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Doesn't single parents raising children do the same thing? |
Hippo_Tron |
Feb-19-04 08:18 PM |
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Found This Extremely Interesting: |
TNOE |
Feb-18-04 10:05 AM |
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Whoa, thought this was the Land of the FREE |
opihimoimoi |
Feb-18-04 10:26 AM |
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The entire topic illustrates the hypocrisy of the right... |
av8rdave |
Feb-18-04 10:49 AM |
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I like to put it this way: |
truthspeaker |
Feb-18-04 10:57 AM |
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I fully support same-sex marriage - |
Suspicious |
Feb-18-04 07:18 PM |
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Thank you... |
chiburb |
Feb-18-04 07:49 PM |
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Re: Polygamy |
kayell |
Feb-19-04 07:47 AM |
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Great points. |
Suspicious |
Feb-19-04 07:51 PM |
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Wow, this is some thread. |
Plaid Adder |
Feb-18-04 07:59 PM |
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That is one of the best things that Mayor Newsome has done |
kayell |
Feb-19-04 07:53 AM |
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Hey Plaidder! Wanna feel some encouragement? |
chiburb |
Feb-19-04 09:00 AM |
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"something can't be a sin 100 years ago and not be a sin now" |
Cannikin |
Feb-19-04 03:17 PM |
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OT... |
chiburb |
Feb-19-04 03:31 PM |
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Heteros need to think of thier own children |
Politicub |
Feb-19-04 08:15 PM |
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