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54. A de-facto surrender of rights!
Here we go AGAIN. It always comes back to the same legal impulse with polygamists.

It doesn't matter what you try to exempt yourself from in a pre-nup... a departing spouse can always find some legal issue to make your lives hell. And then money doesn't even matter at that point, esp. because the chances of more wifes doing the same has risen a million-fold and what you need is to be protected from divorce ITSELF just for life to be livable anymore.

Its just creating a class of people looking for SOME way, some place where they can outlaw divorce.
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  -What is wrong with polygamy? ringmastery  Feb-11-04 10:47 PM   #0 
  - as long as all are consenting adults...  drdigi420   Feb-11-04 10:49 PM   #1 
  - besides the legal nightmare if things turn south  arewethereyet   Feb-11-04 10:49 PM   #2 
  - but nothing is to stop  ringmastery   Feb-11-04 10:50 PM   #3 
  - Hey, it could work the other way.  shimmergal   Feb-11-04 10:52 PM   #5 
  - And you know this how?  geniph   Feb-12-04 01:53 PM   #130 
  - A man can not serve two masters n/t  hansberrym   Feb-11-04 10:51 PM   #4 
  - She's who must be obeyed? n/t  BrotherBuzz   Feb-11-04 11:15 PM   #14 
  - As with prostitution, I wish the morality police  PROUD DemocRAT   Feb-11-04 10:52 PM   #6 
  - It Happens All The Time In Utah.  K8-EEE   Feb-11-04 10:58 PM   #7 
  - I am shocked!  MI Cherie   Feb-11-04 11:38 PM   #20 
  - I personally don't think polygamy works without religious overtones  bleedingheart   Feb-11-04 11:00 PM   #8 
  - i think you need to read about matriarchal societies  Charlls   Feb-11-04 11:09 PM   #10 
  - I'll take a look at those later...  bleedingheart   Feb-11-04 11:10 PM   #12 
  - plenty of polyamorous relationships do just fine-  Beaker   Feb-11-04 11:45 PM   #25 
     - Sure, I want to legalize that  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-11-04 11:55 PM   #27 
     - 17 parents?  Beaker   Feb-12-04 12:47 AM   #44 
     - That's what you'd be asking for real  cprise   Feb-12-04 12:51 AM   #47 
     - ????  Beaker   Feb-12-04 12:55 AM   #49 
     - It was hyperbole to make a point  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 07:17 AM   #59 
        - Okay, we're talking about polyandry right?  kitkatrose   Feb-12-04 09:26 AM   #77 
           - The same reason stepfathers have claim  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 12:27 PM   #119 
     - In the poly families I know  geniph   Feb-12-04 01:57 PM   #132 
     - Plenty Of Polyamorous Relationships Are Trainwrecks  K8-EEE   Feb-12-04 12:29 AM   #40 
        - And then you have a LEGAL trainwreck  cprise   Feb-12-04 12:40 AM   #43 
        - it doesn't have to be a legal trainwreck  ringmastery   Feb-12-04 01:03 AM   #51 
           - A de-facto surrender of rights!  cprise   Feb-12-04 01:34 AM   #54 
        - So are a lot of supposedly monogomous relationships-  Beaker   Feb-12-04 12:49 AM   #46 
        - Plenty of monogamous relationships are train wrecks  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:14 AM   #73 
        - and every monogamous relationship is....  tigerbeat   Feb-12-04 01:07 PM   #125 
  - Based on my monogamous experience,  Old and In the Way   Feb-11-04 11:06 PM   #9 
  - I agree with you...  bleedingheart   Feb-11-04 11:09 PM   #11 
  - The inherent flaw with polygamy -  mac56   Feb-12-04 07:46 AM   #61 
     - Funny stuff  Third Eye   Feb-12-04 10:03 AM   #91 
  - Only if polygamous marriages expect the same "togetherness" as  shimmergal   Feb-12-04 10:55 AM   #106 
  - Get used to this question  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-11-04 11:13 PM   #13 
  - Interracial marriage didn't lead to bestiality  cprise   Feb-11-04 11:34 PM   #19 
     - It doesn't lead to it  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-11-04 11:44 PM   #24 
        - Did we change the definition of voting in the Constitution  cprise   Feb-12-04 12:13 AM   #32 
           - The franchise  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 07:18 AM   #60 
  - I'm for it  Tolania   Feb-11-04 11:17 PM   #15 
  - No Way -- One Is All I Can Handle!  K8-EEE   Feb-12-04 12:24 AM   #37 
     - What about if a person wants to have  Yupster   Feb-12-04 08:35 AM   #69 
  - Getting nagged by multiple wives!  solinvictus   Feb-11-04 11:23 PM   #16 
  - Where Are You Going? Where Are You Going? Where Are You Going?  K8-EEE   Feb-12-04 12:22 AM   #35 
  - -- and don't forget multiple mother in laws!  fortyfeetunder   Feb-12-04 01:19 AM   #52 
     - Hey, 40' -  mac56   Feb-12-04 07:56 AM   #62 
  - Crowded bathroom  randr   Feb-11-04 11:25 PM   #17 
  - Polygamy is about dominating relatively powerless people  cprise   Feb-11-04 11:28 PM   #18 
  - Excellent distinction: polygamy vs polyamory  lapislzi   Feb-12-04 12:32 PM   #121 
     - Protect polygamists AGAINST THE LAW??? Hello?  cprise   Feb-13-04 01:51 AM   #177 
        - Eh?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-13-04 11:22 AM   #187 
  - If a woman...  Snappy   Feb-11-04 11:40 PM   #21 
  - There are plenty of people with polyamorous relationships-  Beaker   Feb-11-04 11:41 PM   #22 
  - Polyamory is not polygamy  cprise   Feb-11-04 11:52 PM   #26 
     - The case against "alternative" marriages.  Third Eye   Feb-12-04 10:07 AM   #92 
        - It's consistent  cprise   Feb-13-04 02:09 AM   #180 
  - the question here is not about if you would "do it"  Charlls   Feb-11-04 11:42 PM   #23 
  - Polygamy is regressive  cprise   Feb-11-04 11:56 PM   #28 
     - And here I thought this was the Land of the FREE  opihimoimoi   Feb-12-04 12:00 AM   #29 
     - Well There Ya Go -- An Actual Freeper Argument Comes To Life!  K8-EEE   Feb-12-04 12:21 AM   #34 
     - excuse me, what has to do child molestation  Charlls   Feb-12-04 12:23 AM   #36 
        - I'm Just Saying, That Is One Of The Arguments  K8-EEE   Feb-12-04 12:26 AM   #38 
           - incest & child brides are not about CONSENTING Adults-  Beaker   Feb-12-04 12:52 AM   #48 
              - Maybe not child brides...  Llewlladdwr   Feb-12-04 02:26 AM   #56 
                 - The concept of pregnancy  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 01:36 PM   #127 
                    - You need to do better than that.  Llewlladdwr   Feb-13-04 01:52 AM   #178 
     - It most certainly is  cprise   Feb-12-04 12:34 AM   #41 
     - i think you have to argue that a little better  Charlls   Feb-12-04 12:09 AM   #31 
     - This sounds like Dr. Laura  cprise   Feb-12-04 12:27 AM   #39 
        - so for you family equates opression?  Charlls   Feb-12-04 12:34 AM   #42 
           - For me, family includes individualism  cprise   Feb-12-04 12:49 AM   #45 
              - i think you have to understand how does it work  Charlls   Feb-12-04 12:59 AM   #50 
     - If Nothing Else...A Legal Nightmare  K8-EEE   Feb-12-04 12:19 AM   #33 
  - Well since there are more women than  burrowowl   Feb-12-04 12:02 AM   # 
  - i think you are getting your root words confused  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 08:35 AM   #68 
  - ## Support Democratic Underground! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-12-04 12:02 AM   #30 
  - A better question...  onebigbadwulf   Feb-12-04 01:21 AM   #53 
  - it's not economically viable  Hamlette   Feb-12-04 01:51 AM   #55 
  - If the same benefits were conferred, everyone would get married...  DjTj   Feb-12-04 02:30 AM   #57 
  - Of course it should be legal  Gadave   Feb-12-04 02:32 AM   #58 
  - one of many reasons why I believe it is wrong morally  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 08:00 AM   #63 
  - Profound  OKNancy   Feb-12-04 08:29 AM   #65 
  - thanks  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 08:34 AM   #67 
  - Bah.  Llewlladdwr   Feb-13-04 01:57 AM   #179 
  - It's easy to argue this: marriage equals conservative values  OKNancy   Feb-12-04 08:24 AM   #64 
  - good issue for a federalist approach  Jane Roe   Feb-12-04 08:30 AM   #66 
  - My four husbands think it's great.  Ilsa   Feb-12-04 08:46 AM   #70 
  - But are you Happy?  grisvador   Feb-12-04 10:55 AM   #105 
  - Is polygamy a sexual orientation?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Feb-12-04 09:06 AM   #71 
  - polyamory v. polygamy  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 09:19 AM   #75 
     - do you think people choose to be polyamorous?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Feb-12-04 09:23 AM   #76 
     - i believe that all people have the ability to love...  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 09:54 AM   #89 
        - currently in a polyamorous relationship....  tigerbeat   Feb-12-04 01:24 PM   #126 
           - I'm glad to see my husband and I aren't the only ones  geniph   Feb-12-04 02:08 PM   #134 
     - Polygyny is a man having more than one wife  geniph   Feb-12-04 02:06 PM   #133 
  - If ALL the parties involved consent to it  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:12 AM   #72 
  - well  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 09:18 AM   #74 
  - We have that already  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:29 AM   #78 
  - no  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 09:33 AM   #81 
     - Since when  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:38 AM   #82 
     - not silly  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 09:43 AM   #83 
        - I guess you're for prohibition then  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:52 AM   #87 
           - im for responsible drinking  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 09:59 AM   #90 
              - so this sounds like a jealousy issue  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 10:08 AM   #93 
              - no  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 10:10 AM   #94 
                 - I doubt it's the government's place to guarantee my or your dating pool  DemLikr   Feb-12-04 10:22 AM   #95 
                    - I am not arguing  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 10:27 AM   #96 
                       - I am one of those "left behind" that you speak of  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 10:29 AM   #97 
                       - blech  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 10:36 AM   #100 
                          - Then leave  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 10:37 AM   # 
                             - yeah, a society that allows polygamy  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 10:40 AM   #103 
                                - Well you're just SO MUCH better than me  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 10:51 AM   #104 
                                   - say what you want  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 11:24 AM   #111 
                       - My right hand has been a very stable, loving, fulfilling partner  DemLikr   Feb-12-04 10:37 AM   #101 
                       - this is just wrong  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 10:39 AM   #102 
                       - You are morally opposed to hand-human sex?  DemLikr   Feb-12-04 12:01 PM   #117 
                          - ok, that was funny  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 12:09 PM   #118 
                       - But if you use the other hand  grisvador   Feb-12-04 11:06 AM   #108 
                          - No, in fact we often engage in a Menag a trois...  DemLikr   Feb-12-04 12:00 PM   #116 
                       - about size  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 12:42 PM   #123 
                          - well  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 12:48 PM   #124 
                             - what dont you agree with  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 01:53 PM   #129 
                                - i don't doubt either of those claims  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 02:26 PM   #144 
              - What makes you think  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 10:31 AM   #98 
              - where you at??  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 02:19 PM   #137 
                 - Far away  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 04:43 PM   #161 
              - This'll sound like I'm a religious conservative...  John BigBootay   Feb-12-04 03:39 PM   #155 
     - But what about  grisvador   Feb-12-04 11:02 AM   #107 
        - you are right  OhioStateProgressive   Feb-12-04 11:25 AM   #112 
        - Okay, let's take that example a bit further  geniph   Feb-12-04 02:16 PM   #135 
           - Exactly!  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 04:45 PM   #163 
  - This already happens.  shimmergal   Feb-12-04 11:23 AM   #110 
  - usually invloves young women not quite old enough  Must_B_Free   Feb-12-04 09:30 AM   #79 
     - Please actually read my post  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:31 AM   #80 
  - I'll tell you what's wrong with it  9215   Feb-12-04 09:46 AM   #84 
  - Again, you're confusing polygamy with polygyny  geniph   Feb-12-04 02:18 PM   #136 
  - What's wrong is that I am skeptical that most polygamy relationships...  Selwynn   Feb-12-04 09:47 AM   #85 
  - What about  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 09:53 AM   #88 
  - Polygamy MUST BE UNDERSTOOD  Charlls   Feb-12-04 11:32 AM   #113 
  - My guess is that divorce lawyers would HATE it!  kcwayne   Feb-12-04 09:51 AM   #86 
  - if you want to end family insurance coverage by all means...  amazona   Feb-12-04 10:34 AM   #99 
  - I agree. Polygamy doesn't fit well with our culture.  shimmergal   Feb-12-04 11:38 AM   #114 
     - that is like to say that our culture  Charlls   Feb-12-04 11:43 AM   #115 
        - Or that we set reasonable limits on some things  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 01:41 PM   #128 
           - reasonable limits according to whose moral?  Charlls   Feb-12-04 02:45 PM   #147 
              - Society  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 03:04 PM   #149 
                 - so you accept to live in a society that excludes other cultures?  Charlls   Feb-12-04 03:17 PM   #152 
                    - In a word  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 04:51 PM   #165 
                       - you still fail to argue how polygamy can be compared to genital mutilation  Charlls   Feb-13-04 12:03 AM   #172 
  - Polygamy vs. Polyamory  Greyskye   Feb-12-04 11:15 AM   #109 
  - Thank you, Greyskye  geniph   Feb-12-04 02:19 PM   #139 
     - True. The "polygamists" here don't know what they're talking about.  cprise   Feb-13-04 12:00 AM   #171 
        - i dont have to be a polygamist  Charlls   Feb-13-04 12:06 AM   #173 
           - There is no inherent difference or right involved  cprise   Feb-13-04 01:17 AM   #176 
  - Nothing  Mattforclark   Feb-12-04 12:30 PM   #120 
  - so you'd be all for your teenage daughter being the fifth wife  Skittles   Feb-12-04 02:19 PM   #138 
     - Apples to oranges  Xithras   Feb-12-04 02:30 PM   #145 
        - Thanks  Mattforclark   Feb-12-04 03:05 PM   #150 
        - Fortunately, I only consider myself a radical moderate  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 03:18 PM   #153 
        - What issues?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 04:50 PM   #164 
           - Of course a government has the right  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 04:53 PM   #166 
              - Our government  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-12-04 05:03 PM   #167 
                 - Our leaders  Muddleoftheroad   Feb-12-04 05:42 PM   #168 
                 - it dont acceot that premise  Charlls   Feb-13-04 12:13 AM   #174 
                    - Is there a difference?  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-13-04 11:20 AM   #186 
        - UGH  Skittles   Feb-12-04 04:23 PM   #156 
           - So if those people are scared to death,  Mattforclark   Feb-12-04 04:39 PM   #160 
  - Children. Period.  sirjwtheblack   Feb-12-04 12:37 PM   #122 
  - that may be debatable  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 02:22 PM   #140 
  - Deleted  Xithras   Feb-12-04 02:22 PM   #141 
  - I didn't consent to my father bailing when I was six weeks old  geniph   Feb-12-04 02:26 PM   #143 
  - Actually, there are.  sirjwtheblack   Feb-13-04 10:22 AM   #181 
     - Yeah, and they're so well enforced, too  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Feb-13-04 11:18 AM   #184 
  - if its "easily argued"  Charlls   Feb-12-04 02:39 PM   #146 
  - It likens women to cattle IMHO (nt)  EV1Ltimm   Feb-12-04 01:55 PM   #131 
  - I can't believe the hipocrisy of the supposed LIBERALS in this thread  Xithras   Feb-12-04 02:24 PM   #142 
  - No kidding!  Greyskye   Feb-12-04 02:53 PM   #148 
  - It is a choice?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Feb-12-04 03:08 PM   #151 
     - Does it matter?  Mattforclark   Feb-12-04 03:20 PM   #154 
     - YES IT F***ING MATTERS  Skittles   Feb-12-04 04:27 PM   #157 
        - Do you think  Mattforclark   Feb-12-04 04:37 PM   #159 
        - i believe the question of choice  veganwitch   Feb-12-04 04:44 PM   #162 
     - Not a simple answer  Greyskye   Feb-12-04 10:54 PM   #170 
        - Hardly any  cprise   Feb-13-04 01:06 AM   #175 
  - No! No no no no no NO!  sirjwtheblack   Feb-13-04 10:28 AM   #182 
  - Absolutely nothing.  Darranar   Feb-12-04 04:37 PM   #158 
  - read "under the banner of heaven"  redwitch   Feb-12-04 05:44 PM   #169 
  - Bingo!  bicentennial_baby   Feb-13-04 11:19 AM   #185 
  - nothing  varun   Feb-13-04 10:32 AM   #183 
 

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