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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:50 PM
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23. Yeah- just updated that post. If you want more, I have plenty.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 07:03 PM by Tinoire
When people called Clinton a Republican, I used to get really angry. After looking into Yugoslavia, NAFTA, WTO, GATT, welfare reform... I am understanding. For 8 years he starved and bombed Iraq too. Never forget that- I know I never will. I am ashamed I voted for him.

This is all so troubling. Check out the FreeRepublic thread in my updated post... Their posts trouble me too because on that issue, they sound so much like us.

I am trying to find a map for you. One I found a few weeks ago that CLEARLY shows the piplelines, the Caspian Sea, Kosovo, the new republic of Albania and from there your imagination can fill it all in. Bush is just carrying on step 2 of what was started.

Bush 1 had the vision of the "New World Order" and started working on it ((of course, no room for countries like Haiti in it ;) )

Clinton worked on it too. Homeland Security & all that crap was started under him.

Junior is just pursuing the dream with a vengeance.

We're totally hosed.

On edit: I am a bad person to talk to. If you listen to me too long, you'll end up slitting your wrists from disillusionment unless you can train yourself to support the lesser of two evils.
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  -Really stupid question - war for oil Carl Spackler  Jan-31-04 05:41 PM   #0 
  - Not just that...  KissMyAsscroft   Jan-31-04 05:45 PM   #1 
  - It's not so much control of the oil as commodity  Sliverofhope   Jan-31-04 05:50 PM   #2 
  - well, remember the only two reasons BUsh does anything  maggrwaggr   Jan-31-04 05:50 PM   #3 
  - Don't look for Iraqi oil to be on the market anytime soon.  baldguy   Jan-31-04 05:59 PM   #10 
     - Iraqi oil hit the markets months ago  maggrwaggr   Feb-01-04 01:31 AM   #34 
  - They were also making a fortune from the war itself.  FloridaPat   Jan-31-04 05:50 PM   #4 
  - Exactly!  H2O Man   Jan-31-04 06:56 PM   #24 
  - the goal, as I understand it, is control over the oil  arcane1   Jan-31-04 05:50 PM   #5 
  - They're already after Chavez  youngred   Jan-31-04 05:58 PM   #9 
     - Chavez kiss of death was when he followed Sadaam in dumping the dollar  Tinoire   Jan-31-04 07:05 PM   #25 
  - Oil infrastructure.  alcuno   Jan-31-04 05:54 PM   #6 
  - That's right  Sliverofhope   Jan-31-04 05:56 PM   #7 
  - About Oil  youngred   Jan-31-04 05:56 PM   #8 
  - "peak oil"  Minstrel Boy   Jan-31-04 05:59 PM   #11 
  - Oil field services are as lucrative as oil products  jpak   Jan-31-04 06:00 PM   #12 
  - US Economy is oil dependent. We use fossil fuel for  mn9driver   Jan-31-04 06:09 PM   #13 
  - pssst Oil IS a fossil fuel  youngred   Jan-31-04 07:25 PM   #26 
  - I think it has more to do with projecting American power into the  MikeG   Jan-31-04 06:10 PM   #14 
  - "A price paid for attacking the US"?  Bridget Burke   Jan-31-04 06:24 PM   #16 
  - I think that 9/11 was a major embarrassment for the U.S in these people's  MikeG   Jan-31-04 06:33 PM   #18 
  - The only country in a position to become more powerful than the US  Carl Spackler   Jan-31-04 06:36 PM   #19 
     - PNAC - Project for the New American Century.  MikeG   Jan-31-04 06:47 PM   #22 
  - Oil services for personal enrichment, oil stability for political gain  Carl Spackler   Jan-31-04 06:15 PM   #15 
  - Oil, OPEC, the dollar, & the Euro / Not oil- our entire way of life  Tinoire   Jan-31-04 06:30 PM   #17 
  - So Clinton's wars were for oil as well?  Carl Spackler   Jan-31-04 06:40 PM   #21 
  - Yeah- just updated that post. If you want more, I have plenty.  Tinoire   Jan-31-04 06:50 PM   #23 
  - Here's a little more  Tinoire   Jan-31-04 07:32 PM   #28 
     - So who's clean in all of this?  Carl Spackler   Jan-31-04 08:02 PM   #30 
     - Well.... Now that you ask, yes.  Tinoire   Jan-31-04 09:10 PM   #33 
     - A shy Kick for Tinoire...  Dirk39   Feb-01-04 03:35 AM   #38 
  - excellent, Tinoire  buddhamama   Jan-31-04 07:43 PM   #29 
     - Good stuff, Tinoire  maggrwaggr   Feb-01-04 01:48 AM   #37 
  - I would say  sangha   Jan-31-04 06:37 PM   #20 
  - 60% of the world's oil is...  Nlighten1   Jan-31-04 07:31 PM   #27 
  - yes, especially considering that it now takes over a calorie of oil  maggrwaggr   Feb-01-04 01:33 AM   #36 
  - As Nlighten1 implies: It's time for everyone to get a map  jmcgowanjm   Jan-31-04 08:15 PM   #31 
  - John D. Rockefeller was the first  TorchesAndPitchforks   Jan-31-04 09:01 PM   #32 
  - don't forget Iraqi oil is some of the cheapest to produce  maggrwaggr   Feb-01-04 01:32 AM   #35 
  - It is about strategic control.  Seldona   Feb-01-04 04:21 AM   #39 
  - As existing sources run out we will be looking for more places to 'buy  jmcgowanjm   Feb-01-04 10:26 AM   #40 
     - On backwardation, this Shell price chart, Jan 23, 04  jmcgowanjm   Feb-01-04 10:30 AM   #41 
        - to Tinoire, the Caspian has peaked and Russia is taking Kazakoil  jmcgowanjm   Feb-01-04 10:36 AM   #42 
           - Caspian overestimated  TorchesAndPitchforks   Feb-01-04 03:55 PM   #47 
  - The point of the Iraq war...  Darranar   Feb-01-04 10:46 AM   #43 
  - You're right, it is a pretty basic question.  leesa   Feb-01-04 11:26 AM   #44 
  - It's not about bringing it to the market  Astarho   Feb-01-04 11:47 AM   #45 
  - This might help you Carl  nomatrix   Feb-01-04 03:25 PM   #46 

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