Muddleoftheroad
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Fri Jan-30-04 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #53 |
| 59. I value lots of things |
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But to value anything, you have to have food and shelter. In our culture, those start with work. Work is reliant on having a job or some form of income. (Independently wealthy need not apply.)
Having worked for companies that don't exist any more, I also value having a CEO who has half a clue.
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| -how much is a decent teacher worth to you? |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 07:58 PM |
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Priceless |
corporatewhore |
Jan-29-04 07:59 PM |
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agreed |
cqhayes |
Jan-29-04 08:00 PM |
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ditto |
JohnLocke |
Jan-29-04 08:31 PM |
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Definitely Agreed |
AlFrankenFan |
Jan-29-04 08:45 PM |
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Same as what I make. |
JanMichael |
Jan-29-04 08:00 PM |
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because what you make is the right amount |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 08:01 PM |
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Just in a levelling mood tonight. |
JanMichael |
Jan-29-04 08:10 PM |
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works for me. |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 08:13 PM |
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I voted, but I'm biased... N/T |
teach1st |
Jan-29-04 08:02 PM |
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heh - great nickname |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 08:04 PM |
#10 |
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Say the quality of your teachers has a 5% impact on lifetime earnings |
Carl Spackler |
Jan-29-04 08:02 PM |
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to me? |
buddhamama |
Jan-29-04 08:03 PM |
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You must be kidding |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 09:39 AM |
#51 |
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Strange as it may be for you to understand, muddled one... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 09:43 AM |
#53 |
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I value lots of things |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 10:25 AM |
#59 |
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There is a HUGE difference between... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 11:00 AM |
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CEOs |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 12:03 PM |
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so, given the rate of layoffs and outsourcing, |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 06:24 PM |
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CEOs again |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:18 PM |
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ok, then what about outsourcing? |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 07:25 PM |
#89 |
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Keeping people employed |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:38 PM |
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... |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 07:52 PM |
#98 |
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value in dollars |
buddhamama |
Jan-30-04 08:09 PM |
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Of course it can |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 08:56 PM |
#105 |
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even art has value |
buddhamama |
Jan-31-04 05:53 AM |
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Ongoing |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 08:54 PM |
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LMAO! |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 09:44 PM |
#112 |
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You seem pretty angry |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 10:16 PM |
#116 |
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yes, I'm aware of that. |
ulysses |
Jan-31-04 06:15 AM |
#126 |
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Again |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 07:29 AM |
#129 |
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where I think we disagree |
ulysses |
Jan-31-04 09:12 PM |
#143 |
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Yeah, that's a big disagreement |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 09:26 PM |
#144 |
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in the end, |
ulysses |
Jan-31-04 10:22 PM |
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Still, the value we place on educators |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-01-04 01:53 AM |
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Good teachers foster critical thinking in their students... |
Mikimouse |
Jan-30-04 06:57 PM |
#84 |
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I am advocating for good teaching |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:19 PM |
#86 |
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You're advocating for good teaching |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-30-04 07:25 PM |
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The NEA vs. teachers |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:39 PM |
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I take it |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-30-04 07:44 PM |
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is it? |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 07:33 PM |
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They are different skill sets |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:42 PM |
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so they are. |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 07:56 PM |
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Athletes are also few in number |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 08:57 PM |
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Please explain what exactly you mean by skill set... |
Mikimouse |
Jan-30-04 08:27 PM |
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Abilities |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 09:05 PM |
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Apparently |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-30-04 09:31 PM |
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You must be joking |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 10:11 PM |
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please. |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 09:55 PM |
#113 |
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Glad those skills don't impress you |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 10:13 PM |
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as I said in an earlier post, |
ulysses |
Jan-31-04 06:17 AM |
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Whereas, I can think of many |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 07:31 AM |
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Knowing the right people isn't a skill. |
Pithlet |
Jan-31-04 09:31 PM |
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Tell me how the "skill set" differs between CEOs and teachers. |
blondeatlast |
Jan-31-04 08:11 AM |
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Please refer to this |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 09:47 AM |
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Kind of depends where you live though... |
ogminlo |
Jan-29-04 08:03 PM |
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Great teachers are priceless. |
leyton |
Jan-29-04 08:03 PM |
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kind of low salary range given in the poll don't you think? |
renegade000 |
Jan-29-04 08:05 PM |
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hey, I'm a teacher, and I make |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 08:06 PM |
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yeah |
renegade000 |
Jan-29-04 09:20 PM |
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great question, great way to frame the debate about education spending |
rumguy |
Jan-29-04 08:06 PM |
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At least as much as a current sports figure |
Danocrat |
Jan-29-04 08:06 PM |
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Your highest starting salary isn't enough. |
Bertha Venation |
Jan-29-04 08:07 PM |
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just being realistic. |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 08:10 PM |
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If you want more money, |
Yupster |
Jan-29-04 11:12 PM |
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I'm planning to start work on my certificate soon |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 04:46 AM |
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Well, if you |
LWolf |
Jan-29-04 11:48 PM |
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Amen to exhaustion and the need for time off |
Hekate |
Jan-30-04 12:07 AM |
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I hear that. |
LWolf |
Jan-30-04 07:49 AM |
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I got my start at a CA community college in the mid-1960s |
Hekate |
Jan-31-04 03:55 AM |
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Hey LWolf -- I think you're looking at it the wrong way... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 08:52 AM |
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One month off |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 09:42 AM |
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Life for kids shouldn't be about "work" |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 09:49 AM |
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Ah the real world vs. ivory tower one again |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 10:30 AM |
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Taking your game plan from the RW playbook, I see... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 10:56 AM |
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Far from RW |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 12:31 PM |
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Why don't you just come out and say it, muddle? |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 01:06 PM |
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Brevity |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 01:24 PM |
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A bit of convergence... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 02:03 PM |
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Wow...did you forget everything over summer vacation? |
formernaderite |
Jan-30-04 06:33 PM |
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Actually, I've taught it. |
LWolf |
Jan-30-04 10:53 PM |
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As a former teacher, I agree |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:13 PM |
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How would more money equate with better? |
formernaderite |
Jan-30-04 06:30 PM |
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come on. |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 06:56 PM |
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Of course... |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-30-04 07:23 PM |
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I'm not saying that |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:33 PM |
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ok, so answer the question. |
ulysses |
Jan-30-04 07:35 PM |
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We don't have a web site big enough to list it all |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 07:45 PM |
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A teacher |
LWolf |
Jan-31-04 10:06 AM |
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That's great |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 10:08 AM |
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True. |
LWolf |
Jan-31-04 08:32 PM |
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As I have said before |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 09:02 PM |
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Wow - I thought I was a very good teacher, but |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:28 PM |
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Benefits |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:24 PM |
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How many people who would make great teachers |
Pithlet |
Jan-31-04 09:43 PM |
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I quit teaching in part because of the money |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:32 PM |
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Oh, I know there are. |
Pithlet |
Jan-31-04 11:00 PM |
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Liberal arts |
Muddleoftheroad |
Feb-01-04 01:57 AM |
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You are right! |
LeahMira |
Jan-31-04 07:53 AM |
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would those voting "< $15k" care to testify? |
ulysses |
Jan-29-04 08:17 PM |
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I was wondering who to hell would say that. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Jan-29-04 08:57 PM |
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LOL, where I live, the starting salary is $24,000... |
jab105 |
Jan-29-04 08:32 PM |
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Starting salary is 30 k where I live |
Yupster |
Jan-29-04 08:53 PM |
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jab: It's my first year also! |
Catshrink |
Jan-30-04 07:55 AM |
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Best advice I got during my first year teaching |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:35 PM |
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Starting salary for HS teachers is around $45k here. |
tritsofme |
Jan-29-04 11:23 PM |
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Holy crap!! |
jab105 |
Jan-30-04 02:49 PM |
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You must be in either NY, CT, MA or NJ... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 02:51 PM |
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Other. |
LWolf |
Jan-29-04 11:36 PM |
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They simply don't pay them enough. |
SheilaT |
Jan-29-04 11:42 PM |
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Hard to live on 45K/yr on either of the coasts, though |
Hekate |
Jan-29-04 11:52 PM |
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For the work involved and education needed |
populistmom |
Jan-30-04 12:54 AM |
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given how schools are funded . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Jan-30-04 12:54 AM |
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Any other occupations |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:36 PM |
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Priceless. |
bushwentawol |
Jan-30-04 12:57 AM |
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Worth what a fucking football player makes |
Selwynn |
Jan-30-04 02:57 AM |
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What is a teacher worth to the federal reserve open markets committee? |
sweetheart |
Jan-30-04 04:53 AM |
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much more...a qualified teacher should make at the very least $65K |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-30-04 06:25 AM |
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The best teachers would work for free. |
baldguy |
Jan-30-04 07:37 AM |
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....and get paid much more than they do now. |
Selwynn |
Jan-30-04 09:31 AM |
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$45 grand or not, we're going to lose a lot of teachers and principals |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-30-04 07:54 AM |
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It should depend on student performance |
jsw_81 |
Jan-30-04 08:09 AM |
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Only if the teachers get to pick the students they get |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 08:46 AM |
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Amen |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jan-30-04 08:47 AM |
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Absolutely! Hear Hear! (nt) |
Selwynn |
Jan-30-04 09:32 AM |
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AMEN!!! |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-30-04 10:19 AM |
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Bravo!!! Well said |
throwthebumsout |
Jan-30-04 10:38 AM |
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Good point |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 12:38 PM |
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Read the statement I was referring to, muddled one |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 01:09 PM |
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I was agreeing oh muddled one |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 01:26 PM |
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I was agreeing oh muddled one |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 01:26 PM |
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My bad. I apologize. |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 01:34 PM |
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Fair enough |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 01:38 PM |
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Well, I wouldn't be seeking to take a $25K or more pay cut... |
IrateCitizen |
Jan-30-04 02:05 PM |
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Ever heard of Jaime Escalante? |
jsw_81 |
Jan-31-04 06:09 AM |
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The same Escalante who is a Republican who supported vouchers? |
The Zanti Regent |
Jan-31-04 10:43 PM |
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Applause |
LWolf |
Jan-31-04 10:37 AM |
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5 votes for 15K a year? |
Ishoutandscream |
Jan-30-04 09:37 AM |
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These are the national averages |
Argumentus |
Jan-30-04 09:47 AM |
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Thanks |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Jan-30-04 06:38 PM |
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Priceless. n/t |
myrna minx |
Jan-30-04 09:48 AM |
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The Good Teacher I Know Was Worth Marrying |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-30-04 10:04 AM |
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Wow. Where do you live? |
recidivist |
Jan-30-04 02:02 PM |
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Not Moving |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-30-04 02:36 PM |
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Way more then 45k |
rhino47 |
Jan-30-04 08:37 PM |
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$75,000 a year...minimum |
Terwilliger |
Jan-30-04 08:40 PM |
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How do you propose to pay for that? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 09:05 PM |
#108 |
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Try paying the administration a hell of a lot less |
rhino47 |
Jan-30-04 10:18 PM |
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I have no problem with that |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-30-04 10:24 PM |
#120 |
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who cares? |
Terwilliger |
Jan-30-04 10:23 PM |
#119 |
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Obviously we disagree on that point |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-31-04 07:32 AM |
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depends on the area, cost of living etc |
arewethereyet |
Jan-30-04 09:10 PM |
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No Dentist Left Behind Act |
Star |
Jan-30-04 09:20 PM |
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thank you! |
ulysses |
Jan-31-04 06:35 AM |
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I end up paying about $12,700 a year |
oostevo |
Jan-30-04 10:16 PM |
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If you consider value exchanged for value |
JellyBean1 |
Jan-31-04 05:59 AM |
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Remeber that they arae now required to obtain Master's Degrees |
blondeatlast |
Jan-31-04 08:05 AM |
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Not impressed with Master's Degree |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 09:13 AM |
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I would disagree with that. |
LWolf |
Jan-31-04 10:46 AM |
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Mine is in Curriculum and Instruction |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:04 PM |
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Teachers know how to hurt people real good. |
The Zanti Regent |
Jan-31-04 10:41 PM |
#155 |
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Most teachers are good, honest, hard working |
Yupster |
Jan-31-04 10:53 PM |
#157 |
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