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Tue Jan-27-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #66 |
| 83. Is it anything worse than what is in the OT? |
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Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 04:22 PM by Tinoire
I could cite passages from there that would curl your toes. We could take any verses from the OT and the NT to prove points but I think the overall message of both books would disprove those single points.
Also, I am separating the Churches and followers from the book for this exercise (just as you did with the followers)... I don't recall finding the NT any harsher than the OT. Both were extremely harsh and used pretty broad brushes. Maybe my recollection is faulty but I thought the OT was especially cruel. I could research this if you want to talk about it.
It's not a subject I like discussing very much though because my ultimate belief is that God is A-ok with all those who follow His word to the best of their ability and with all sincerity. Being Jewish, Christian, or Muslim has little to do with it. I say little because my Chrisitan belief is that if, in your heart, you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, God himself who came down to earth to walk among us, and redeem us from Adam's sin but you purposefully turn your back then that is wrong & evil because you are knowingly turning your back on God. But if, you have no reason to believe that He is, then you have done no wrong and you're on the same steady ground.
I would like to think that if I were Jewish, I would make the same exception for Christians as long as they were sincere and good, and just say they had accepted a Messiah too early- like the Lubivatchers.
All three Judeo-related religions are waiting for their Messiah right now- in the same time-frame & to accomplish the same exact thing. I find that strange. More than a bizarre coincidence. I think we're all waiting for the same person and I think we're all going to get a shameful surprise when the first words out of His mouth are "How well did you love me & how well did you love your brother?".
That's just me though.
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Mel never had it he has always bee out there |
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He probably saw nothing wrong when CBS was attacked for the Reagans |
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Others from Hollywood |
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Have you forgotten... |
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I wonder if those protests helped "The Last Temptation" |
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He's a piece of antisemitic filth, that's what's different. |
Jim Sagle |
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I will believe he is sane until Fox |
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Jan-26-04 09:29 PM |
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True, they do... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-26-04 10:38 PM |
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When he said "I love Jews, I pray for them" it was a dead giveaway to me |
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Jan-26-04 09:46 PM |
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Yep..I hope every Jewish man and woman who |
Mari333 |
Jan-26-04 09:54 PM |
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Oh, yes, BUT... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-26-04 10:01 PM |
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It's called having a religious belief. |
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Jan-27-04 06:06 PM |
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But you should be alarmed when... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 06:49 PM |
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I haven't been able to stand him since he came on either letterman or |
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Jan-27-04 08:29 PM |
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This film is causing so much controversy... |
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Jan-26-04 10:02 PM |
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A few years ago, I caught a short TV show (no recall which) playing a tape |
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Jan-26-04 10:09 PM |
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Man Without a Face... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-26-04 10:41 PM |
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Question |
Mormegil42 |
Jan-26-04 10:14 PM |
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Openly gay-bashed... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-26-04 10:25 PM |
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One of his brothers is gay. |
Matilda |
Jan-27-04 05:05 AM |
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As I've said before |
RapidCreek |
Jan-27-04 05:27 AM |
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Almost all Australians I've known have been really fun, kind people |
Enraged_Ape |
Jan-27-04 07:29 AM |
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But he isn't a full blooded Aussie. |
foreigncorrespondent |
Jan-27-04 08:12 AM |
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don't wanna get too defensive but |
Djinn |
Jan-27-04 05:44 PM |
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That's why I call him a 'pseudo-Aussie'... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 05:59 PM |
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I can think of a few more! |
Djinn |
Jan-27-04 06:33 PM |
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He reminds me of someone who moves to an area and becomes an |
roguevalley |
Jan-27-04 08:37 PM |
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Well... |
theHandpuppet |
Jan-27-04 06:05 AM |
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I hate when people call it a "lifestyle" |
SkeptyCal |
Jan-27-04 11:14 AM |
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Thank you both, theHandpuppet & SkeptyCal! |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 02:53 PM |
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How many of you have seen the movie? |
lib4life |
Jan-26-04 10:20 PM |
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And those who have... |
NWHarkness |
Jan-26-04 10:23 PM |
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Check the ADL website for this into... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 06:59 AM |
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Jesus was a Jew as were ALL the players on the scene and why aren't the |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-27-04 07:14 AM |
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All the brouhaha is designed to put fannies in the seats. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 09:02 AM |
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i agree |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-27-04 09:24 AM |
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I'm an Italian Jew... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 12:52 PM |
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LOL ...so are two of my sisters and nieces and nephews |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-27-04 01:15 PM |
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Yourself! |
JDWalley |
Jan-27-04 07:16 PM |
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With all due respect, there are good reasons to think Jesus is pure myth. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 08:58 AM |
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With all due respect, there are good reasons to think Moses is pure myth |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Jan-27-04 09:16 AM |
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I agree with a lot of that. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 09:18 AM |
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My Rabbi says... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 12:57 PM |
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That is a nice distinction. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 01:20 PM |
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the writings of Josephus and the DSS's disagrees with your "myth" opinion |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-27-04 10:44 AM |
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You probably won't be surprised to know I've encountered that before. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 10:56 AM |
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nah i do not doubt it for a NY second and DDS= Dead Sea Scrolls |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-27-04 11:11 AM |
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Do not doubt what? "Josephus?" or that there are interpolations. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 11:13 AM |
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In all fairness... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 07:39 PM |
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Here's a little more up to date info that I found on the Jewish ... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 12:49 PM |
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Gibson followed the Gospels faithfully & the Gospels |
Tinoire |
Jan-27-04 04:33 PM |
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Some Jews who have read the script and seen the movie |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 08:53 AM |
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In which case the entire Bible and Christianity are anti-Semitic |
Tinoire |
Jan-27-04 09:32 AM |
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Of course he doesn't want to say that. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 09:42 AM |
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Because there is a lot of recriminatory talk |
Tinoire |
Jan-27-04 10:01 AM |
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But the prophets don't commit blood libel, do they? |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 10:09 AM |
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I would say they did not |
Tinoire |
Jan-27-04 01:06 PM |
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I would say that there is outright anti-Semitism in the NT |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 01:09 PM |
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Is it anything worse than what is in the OT? |
Tinoire |
Jan-27-04 04:12 PM |
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No doubt about it: the OT is full of cruelty. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 04:22 PM |
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Jeremiah |
Tinoire |
Jan-27-04 04:48 PM |
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While we're talking about interpolations... |
JDWalley |
Jan-27-04 07:19 PM |
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Well, the Hebrew Testament speaks of ancient times... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 08:10 PM |
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Why would you say it isn't? |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 01:04 PM |
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It hasn't been released yet, but... |
JDWalley |
Jan-27-04 07:14 PM |
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I think Mel should just keep quiet and just look good ...because |
bleedingheart |
Jan-26-04 10:31 PM |
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Jan-26-04 10:38 PM |
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"The Jews?" |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 09:01 AM |
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Jan-27-04 01:17 PM |
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Go ahead, speak the truth, as you see it. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 01:24 PM |
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Jan-27-04 07:27 PM |
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I've heard that... |
jackstraw45 |
Jan-27-04 10:41 AM |
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i disagree...i am looking forward to seeing Mels movie |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-27-04 07:07 AM |
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Yuck! |
0007 |
Jan-27-04 08:19 AM |
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Mel has always been a bit out there |
noonwitch |
Jan-27-04 09:04 AM |
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His death is Christianity's fault, in my opinion. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 09:12 AM |
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Um - OK - that's the most theologically lax response I've ever heard |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Jan-27-04 11:20 AM |
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Thank you! |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 11:29 AM |
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Now that's a more reasoned approach, but |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Jan-27-04 11:36 AM |
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But it's hardly remarked that these Christians must have been |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 11:43 AM |
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The doctrine of Christianity |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Jan-27-04 12:41 PM |
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Paul was from Tarsus, in Anatolia. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 12:47 PM |
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You are correct sir! I was wrong |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Jan-27-04 01:07 PM |
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Well, I agree whole-heartedly with you there! |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 01:13 PM |
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Where did you get that? |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 08:16 PM |
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not to mention historically lax as well |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Jan-27-04 06:16 PM |
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Thank You |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Jan-27-04 08:20 PM |
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You are right on. |
FlaGranny |
Jan-27-04 09:18 AM |
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Another thing it proved |
camero |
Jan-27-04 01:01 PM |
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Try the truth? |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 01:10 PM |
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Weird combination of religion and S&M |
chookie |
Jan-27-04 11:07 AM |
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as a kid who grew up in pre Vatican 2 days |
Mari333 |
Jan-27-04 11:15 AM |
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Lots of room for the "sick" |
chookie |
Jan-27-04 11:46 AM |
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Self-flagellation... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 03:10 PM |
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just anecdotally |
Djinn |
Jan-27-04 06:03 PM |
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Wouldn't surprise me... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 06:22 PM |
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I don't get it... |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 01:16 PM |
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Fascinating -- and you could just as easily be talking about... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 02:19 PM |
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About the artist |
chookie |
Jan-27-04 03:50 PM |
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'Strangely compassionate'... |
Sapphocrat |
Jan-27-04 06:12 PM |
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I'll PM you |
chookie |
Jan-27-04 07:44 PM |
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a couple of years ago, Mel was in Rockland , Maine making a movie |
Marianne |
Jan-27-04 11:37 AM |
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In a word: yes. |
JohnLocke |
Jan-27-04 11:50 AM |
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In a word: yes. |
JohnLocke |
Jan-27-04 11:50 AM |
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salon.com article on "The Passion" |
slappypan |
Jan-27-04 01:27 PM |
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IS it gratuitous |
Djinn |
Jan-27-04 06:13 PM |
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Facts |
Az |
Jan-27-04 02:31 PM |
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I noticed the twitching on a CNN interview |
worldgonekrazy |
Jan-27-04 03:10 PM |
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He has a persecution complex. |
BurtWorm |
Jan-27-04 03:17 PM |
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He's just a dimmer bulb |
LeahMira |
Jan-27-04 08:31 PM |
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That's pretty disappointing. |
Hammie |
Jan-27-04 04:33 PM |
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Locking |
Moderator |
Jan-27-04 08:40 PM |
#111 |