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Fri Jan-16-04 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #84 |
| 132. What an idiotic thing to say. |
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Since whites outnumber blacks almost ten to one, then of course it would seem that more whites are executed. But if you look at the ratios, you get a far different picture.
Jesus, some of us simply refuse to wake up to reality.
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| -The death penalty does not work. It is not a deterrence. |
CatWoman |
Jan-13-04 11:43 AM |
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Not to be ornery, but I doubt that conscience had anything to do with |
bunnyj |
Jan-13-04 11:47 AM |
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By keeping the death penalty, look at the fine company that puts us in.... |
The_Gopher |
Jan-15-04 12:04 AM |
#82 |
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You forgot Israel. |
sirjwtheblack |
Jan-16-04 09:52 AM |
#120 |
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It is possible that doctor did not take his own life... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-16-04 10:23 AM |
#129 |
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Execute white collar criminals |
bluestateguy |
Jan-13-04 11:50 AM |
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And the death penalty would absolutely DETER white-collar criminals and |
Vitruvius |
Jan-14-04 05:33 PM |
#59 |
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My biggest, #1 problem with the death penalty |
lazarus |
Jan-13-04 12:05 PM |
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It's been proven over and over that the death penalty is no deterrent. |
library_max |
Jan-13-04 12:25 PM |
#4 |
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Read the behaviorist literature... |
afraid_of_the_dark |
Jan-14-04 02:18 PM |
#32 |
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Yep,and not one RICH person will ever sit in "old sparky" Never ever...eom |
OneTwentyoFive |
Jan-16-04 09:23 AM |
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Here is the problem with the death penalty: |
funkyflathead |
Jan-13-04 12:58 PM |
#5 |
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Yeah, those pesky appeals |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-13-04 01:25 PM |
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But quick executions would violate the Bill of Rights |
Don Claybrook |
Jan-13-04 01:39 PM |
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Not necessarily |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 09:13 AM |
#21 |
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Death as prevention? |
Damndifino |
Jan-14-04 02:00 PM |
#28 |
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No, it doesn't. Because life does not really mean LIFE. |
Silverhair |
Jan-14-04 02:14 PM |
#31 |
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Then it should |
Damndifino |
Jan-14-04 02:24 PM |
#33 |
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Life does mean life under Federal jurisdiction |
fed2dneck |
Jan-14-04 09:06 PM |
#64 |
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violence begets violence |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 02:24 PM |
#34 |
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So are you willing for life to mean LIFE? N/T |
Silverhair |
Jan-14-04 03:18 PM |
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yeah |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 03:22 PM |
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Yes, it remains a good idea |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 03:34 PM |
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which part of murder is wrong don't you understand?(nt) |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 03:47 PM |
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Execution is not murder |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 04:30 PM |
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execution is State Sponsored killing |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 05:17 PM |
#56 |
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Not all killing is murder |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 09:18 PM |
#66 |
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yes, all killing is murder |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 09:23 PM |
#68 |
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So, killing in war is murder? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 09:31 PM |
#70 |
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i think all war is murder |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 09:54 PM |
#71 |
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'Nuff said |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-15-04 12:50 AM |
#88 |
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Either you support life, or you don't.... |
Th1onein |
Jan-14-04 08:51 PM |
#63 |
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I support innocent life |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 09:20 PM |
#67 |
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Ever heard of solitary confinement? |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 09:47 AM |
#117 |
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Ever hear |
yagotme |
Jan-16-04 10:42 AM |
#134 |
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And you still lived to tell the tale!!? |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:50 AM |
#135 |
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Why? |
outinforce |
Jan-14-04 05:05 PM |
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I do understand all of your points |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 05:16 PM |
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And Why? |
outinforce |
Jan-14-04 05:19 PM |
#57 |
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this is why |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-14-04 06:50 PM |
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I Still Do Not Understand |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 11:24 AM |
#92 |
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fair question |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-15-04 02:31 PM |
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Do You Consider....?? |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 03:27 PM |
#104 |
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well |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-15-04 03:33 PM |
#105 |
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I'm not sure I understand... |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 03:46 PM |
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interesting reply |
OhioStateProgressive |
Jan-15-04 03:51 PM |
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It's evil because it is not applied |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 09:50 AM |
#119 |
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No, |
yagotme |
Jan-16-04 10:32 AM |
#131 |
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Oh boy... |
Anaxamander |
Jan-14-04 10:15 AM |
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But its about more than deterence...its also about revenge |
HereSince1628 |
Jan-13-04 01:02 PM |
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Take a life, forfeit your own |
funkyflathead |
Jan-13-04 01:16 PM |
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So you want revenge, not justice |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-13-04 01:26 PM |
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Your a Dean supporter right? |
funkyflathead |
Jan-13-04 01:29 PM |
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Well, see |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-13-04 01:36 PM |
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Justice is a balance sometimes seen as weighing punishment |
HereSince1628 |
Jan-13-04 01:32 PM |
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Here's one just as simple: |
Anaxamander |
Jan-14-04 03:18 PM |
#39 |
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Has anyone ever thought |
devinsgram |
Jan-13-04 01:23 PM |
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Umm... Haven't thought about that. |
no one in particular |
Jan-13-04 01:26 PM |
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Karma? Really? |
LeahMira |
Jan-14-04 01:42 PM |
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Hmmmmmm..... |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 11:32 AM |
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This statistic moves around quite a bit, so it doesn't mean |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 09:58 AM |
#121 |
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I Don't Disagree with You |
outinforce |
Jan-16-04 04:16 PM |
#153 |
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I've been torn for some time on this |
no one in particular |
Jan-13-04 01:24 PM |
#9 |
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I agree with you on the DP. |
DrWeird |
Jan-13-04 01:28 PM |
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yep |
CatWoman |
Jan-13-04 01:50 PM |
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I don't get it. |
DrWeird |
Jan-14-04 02:26 PM |
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I didn't know castration didn't work |
CatWoman |
Jan-14-04 05:35 PM |
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I believe that it's been tried without success. |
library_max |
Jan-14-04 08:57 AM |
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can you provide me some info on this? |
CatWoman |
Jan-14-04 02:08 PM |
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Y'know what? |
library_max |
Jan-16-04 09:18 AM |
#113 |
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I have to agree... |
Anaxamander |
Jan-14-04 03:46 PM |
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While Ted Bundy at times did use foreign objects |
CatWoman |
Jan-16-04 01:17 PM |
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Many don't think they will get caught |
terryg11 |
Jan-13-04 01:43 PM |
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I think... |
deseo |
Jan-14-04 09:28 AM |
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it does work, it stops murderers from murdering again |
kodi |
Jan-14-04 10:24 AM |
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It also stops falsely accused people from being falsely accused again. |
library_max |
Jan-14-04 01:23 PM |
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Oh please |
Pithlet |
Jan-14-04 02:34 PM |
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I've had a family member murdered. |
DrWeird |
Jan-14-04 02:39 PM |
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You could look at it this way..... |
coolhand27 |
Jan-14-04 11:15 PM |
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Huh? |
Sophree |
Jan-14-04 02:45 PM |
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I'm sorry for your experience |
ulysses |
Jan-14-04 03:24 PM |
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Could You Explain? |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 11:37 AM |
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State-sanctioned killing serves no purpose. |
rezmutt |
Jan-14-04 01:44 PM |
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This is what I think... |
LeahMira |
Jan-14-04 02:06 PM |
#29 |
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Huh? |
pnb |
Jan-16-04 10:58 AM |
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In What Sense Does the DP Not "Workl" |
outinforce |
Jan-14-04 04:23 PM |
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Taking a human life is one of the worst crimes |
Pithlet |
Jan-14-04 04:29 PM |
#46 |
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Allowing someone to murder is also wrong |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 04:33 PM |
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I'm not exactly an expert on the Bible. |
DrWeird |
Jan-14-04 04:48 PM |
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I'm No Expert Either |
outinforce |
Jan-14-04 05:17 PM |
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an excellent assessment |
arewethereyet |
Jan-14-04 10:12 PM |
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arewethereyet are you saying that life belongs to Caesar? |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:14 AM |
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Oh, well, if you want to go by the Bible, |
library_max |
Jan-16-04 05:18 PM |
#156 |
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You don't have to kill them to lessen that threat |
Pithlet |
Jan-14-04 05:28 PM |
#58 |
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That is naive |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-14-04 09:23 PM |
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And it's extremely naive |
Pithlet |
Jan-14-04 10:00 PM |
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Innocents die either way |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-15-04 12:52 AM |
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That is our fundamental difference |
Pithlet |
Jan-15-04 02:06 PM |
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No system is perfect |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-15-04 02:41 PM |
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Don't presume |
Pithlet |
Jan-15-04 03:13 PM |
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One system works |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-15-04 03:37 PM |
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No, it doesn't |
Pithlet |
Jan-15-04 03:59 PM |
#112 |
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My system |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-16-04 09:23 AM |
#115 |
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My way |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 12:54 PM |
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You have put american philosophy on its head. |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:22 AM |
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Collateral damage... |
yagotme |
Jan-16-04 11:01 AM |
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And its also naive to believe that convicted murderers |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:18 AM |
#127 |
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An Argument I Understand! |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 11:45 AM |
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Yes, that is my argument. |
Pithlet |
Jan-15-04 02:10 PM |
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Thanks. But What Are Your Thoughts Regarding.....?? |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 03:36 PM |
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I'm still against it |
Pithlet |
Jan-15-04 03:47 PM |
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Outinforce. Tell us how the killing of Ted Bundy makes us |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:29 AM |
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I would like to attempt a response.....BUT |
outinforce |
Jan-16-04 04:33 PM |
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Muddle. Please please let us see some statistics. |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:11 AM |
#125 |
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Differences |
outinforce |
Jan-14-04 04:42 PM |
#49 |
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No |
Pithlet |
Jan-14-04 05:36 PM |
#61 |
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Best post of the thread!!! |
coolhand27 |
Jan-14-04 11:17 PM |
#77 |
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So, what do you think |
Pithlet |
Jan-14-04 11:23 PM |
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One out of seven |
lazarus |
Jan-15-04 12:59 AM |
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Outinforce. The flaw in your argument is that |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:07 AM |
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I'm fine with the Death Penalty and would like to see it expanded |
MrSlayer |
Jan-14-04 04:58 PM |
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Are You Aware.... |
outinforce |
Jan-14-04 05:08 PM |
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lets assume that this is true (and I'm not saying it's not) |
arewethereyet |
Jan-14-04 09:07 PM |
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Since You Invited Discussion, I will..... |
outinforce |
Jan-15-04 12:37 PM |
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To quote Perry Farrell. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-15-04 12:16 AM |
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put them in general population and it doesn't take long |
arewethereyet |
Jan-15-04 12:17 AM |
#85 |
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It is essential for plea bargaining. |
DjTj |
Jan-14-04 10:12 PM |
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Actually it would have been better |
coolhand27 |
Jan-14-04 11:21 PM |
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Deterrence not main objective, but instead justice for victim's family |
cryofan |
Jan-14-04 11:09 PM |
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Catwoman is Correct. |
David Zephyr |
Jan-14-04 11:29 PM |
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The death penalty never was about deterrence it's about the power |
LibertyorDeath |
Jan-14-04 11:33 PM |
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Its also a racist institution |
corporatewhore |
Jan-15-04 12:08 AM |
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I believe that there have been more whites than black executed |
arewethereyet |
Jan-15-04 12:16 AM |
#84 |
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I'm not sure about that. |
Pithlet |
Jan-15-04 12:19 AM |
#86 |
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Check this out |
corporatewhore |
Jan-15-04 01:02 AM |
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What an idiotic thing to say. |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:35 AM |
#132 |
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It was never meant as a deterrent |
Rex |
Jan-15-04 12:26 AM |
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I agree. |
F-5 |
Jan-15-04 11:42 AM |
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I don't care if it deters or not. but some folks deserve to have |
okieinpain |
Jan-15-04 02:44 PM |
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I agree. |
TexasMexican |
Jan-15-04 03:45 PM |
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Who decides which ones and |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:36 AM |
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A Judge and a Jury |
TexasMexican |
Jan-16-04 03:02 PM |
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And what happens |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 03:07 PM |
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You pay the family some money for compensation and you go on. |
TexasMexican |
Jan-16-04 03:14 PM |
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Wow. |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 03:19 PM |
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Depends on the level of innocence. |
TexasMexican |
Jan-16-04 03:49 PM |
#147 |
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Either they murdered someone or they didn't |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 03:57 PM |
#148 |
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No you dont see where I'm coming from. |
TexasMexican |
Jan-16-04 06:09 PM |
#157 |
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Nope. I pretty much read you right. |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 06:38 PM |
#158 |
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A little justice system 101 for you while we're at it. |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 06:40 PM |
#159 |
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My God man! Have you lost your marbles? |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 03:57 PM |
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Also |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 04:07 PM |
#152 |
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not cost effective in NY it cost t$23 million per capital case |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-16-04 09:35 AM |
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Expedited review |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-16-04 09:49 AM |
#118 |
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oh sure! lets expedite the proceedure and raise the chances for ERROR! |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jan-16-04 10:00 AM |
#122 |
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You choose to misunderstand |
Muddleoftheroad |
Jan-16-04 10:06 AM |
#123 |
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Who would you put on this panel? |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 10:57 AM |
#136 |
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Exactly. |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 01:02 PM |
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They're humans |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 12:58 PM |
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It's too flawed to support the penalty |
Solomon |
Jan-16-04 04:00 PM |
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I think it is because |
Pithlet |
Jan-16-04 04:21 PM |
#154 |
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It IS a deterrance |
Fescue4u |
Jan-16-04 04:00 PM |
#151 |
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