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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:32 AM
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33. I agree with you that FDR is the most liberal president we've
ever had and he's still considered a moderate (at least by modern, historical standards). A sizable portion of the Democratic party of the 1930's-1940's was to his left including his second vice president, Henry Wallace. Had Wallace not been replaced on the ticket in 1944 (Roosevelt picked Truman), America WOULD have had a leftist president. Wallace was a real hell-raiser. He ran against Truman in 1948 as a 3rd party candidate, and, yes, nearly cost Truman re-election.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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  -Moderates: Here we are, stuck in the middle with you Q  Jan-10-04 07:18 AM   #0 
  - You don't have to be stuck, you can run back to Nader where you  deminflorida   Jan-10-04 07:25 AM   #1 
  - He didn't write a single word about Nader.  Iverson   Jan-10-04 07:31 AM   #3 
  - In one post you accuse me of 'supporting' Nader and Dean...  Q   Jan-10-04 07:35 AM   #5 
  - amazing leap of logic, really  Ardee   Jan-11-04 09:27 AM   #57 
  - Excellent post, Thank you  kayell   Jan-10-04 07:26 AM   #2 
  - Chamberlain didn't fight against a radical uncompromising enemy....  TomNickell   Jan-10-04 07:39 AM   #6 
  - Moderation, or guts?  TomNickell   Jan-10-04 07:32 AM   #4 
  - Bush* campaigns as a 'moderate' and governs to the far right...  Q   Jan-10-04 07:42 AM   #7 
  - Why Tar All Republicans?  Ardee   Jan-11-04 09:30 AM   #58 
  - I'm with you, Tom. The definitions have changed  maggrwaggr   Jan-10-04 07:06 PM   #45 
  - Think of all the great leftist American presidents...There's  Rowdyboy   Jan-10-04 07:57 AM   #8 
  - But right have what the press calls a 'great' Rightist...  Q   Jan-10-04 08:05 AM   #9 
  - Let's explore this.  Iverson   Jan-10-04 08:10 AM   #10 
  - "Normal times and normal models"  Q   Jan-10-04 08:22 AM   #12 
     - My point is, when you begin with a foundation of attacking the center  Rowdyboy   Jan-10-04 11:01 AM   #27 
        - much more coherent  Iverson   Jan-10-04 11:02 AM   #29 
        - I honestly don't know  Rowdyboy   Jan-10-04 11:16 AM   #32 
        - I'm trying to wake up...more than 'attack' the center...  Q   Jan-11-04 08:38 AM   #51 
           - Actually the "center" split in 2000  Rowdyboy   Jan-11-04 11:31 AM   #62 
  - I would tend to disagree  Muddleoftheroad   Jan-10-04 08:15 AM   #11 
     - Nice try  Rowdyboy   Jan-10-04 10:46 AM   #25 
        - A moderate-conservative?  Muddleoftheroad   Jan-10-04 11:03 AM   #30 
           - I agree with you that FDR is the most liberal president we've  Rowdyboy   Jan-10-04 11:32 AM   #33 
           - Only by OUR standards here  Muddleoftheroad   Jan-11-04 08:45 AM   #54 
           - Wrong president, actually...  DerekG   Jan-10-04 01:05 PM   #37 
           - But he did  Muddleoftheroad   Jan-11-04 08:44 AM   #53 
           - biographers suggest otherwise  Ardee   Jan-11-04 09:35 AM   #59 
  - Excellent Post Q  0007   Jan-10-04 08:23 AM   #13 
  - Moderate, a must to win in 2004 !  NicRic   Jan-10-04 08:43 AM   #14 
  - A sure win for whom? Bush*?  Q   Jan-10-04 08:54 AM   #16 
  - Q  are_we_united_yet   Jan-10-04 09:07 AM   #18 
  - "many ill informed voters seem to believe bush is a moderate"  kentuck   Jan-10-04 12:54 PM   #36 
  - Also many formerly  dusty64   Jan-10-04 08:52 AM   #15 
  - Or is this propaganda?  Q   Jan-10-04 10:18 AM   #21 
     - I do not believe the  dusty64   Jan-10-04 12:40 PM   #34 
     - you take on established "truths" here and about time  Ardee   Jan-11-04 09:42 AM   #60 
        - Bush* will make sure the 'debate' is about war and national security...  Q   Jan-11-04 09:52 AM   #61 
  - good post, Q  buddhamama   Jan-10-04 08:57 AM   #17 
  - We need a modern 'Paul Reverse'...  Q   Jan-10-04 09:25 AM   #19 
  - It depends on what "center" you are moderating towards  ShimokitaJer   Jan-10-04 10:13 AM   #20 
  - The term 'sell-outs' is yours...not mine.  Q   Jan-10-04 10:23 AM   #22 
     - And I stand by it... the DLC are sell-outs  ShimokitaJer   Jan-10-04 10:42 AM   #23 
        - The DLC are as fascistic as Bushco, only "kinder and gentler"  maggrwaggr   Jan-10-04 07:08 PM   #46 
  - Great post Q. Maybe if we had a Dem candidate who would  loudsue   Jan-10-04 10:43 AM   #24 
  - Q i think you know where i stand! i hear ya  ElsewheresDaughter   Jan-10-04 10:47 AM   #26 
  - All I can do is everytime I hear that song, I am going to  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jan-10-04 11:02 AM   #28 
  - appealing to the "centrists"  drdigi420   Jan-10-04 11:04 AM   #31 
  - Q, I wish every Democrat in Congress could read your comments....  kentuck   Jan-10-04 12:49 PM   #35 
  - a kick from the left  Iverson   Jan-10-04 02:23 PM   #38 
  - kick !  kentuck   Jan-10-04 04:02 PM   #39 
  - Indeed...but I think we're dealing with the same Democrats...  Q   Jan-11-04 08:22 AM   #50 
  - it allows the illusion of a choice to continue  Solly Mack   Jan-10-04 04:08 PM   #40 
  - I'm one hundred percent in agreement with you.  Cleita   Jan-10-04 04:41 PM   #41 
  - Kick for an excellent thread  Rowdyboy   Jan-10-04 05:54 PM   #42 
  - As a member of DUs "radical center"....  economic justice   Jan-10-04 06:01 PM   #43 
  - You disregarded the...  Q   Jan-10-04 06:11 PM   #44 
  - I am now in agreement with you, Q  maggrwaggr   Jan-10-04 07:14 PM   #48 
     - We should know these things after three years of Bush*...  Q   Jan-11-04 08:53 AM   #55 
  - you overlook the BIG problem:  maggrwaggr   Jan-10-04 07:11 PM   #47 
     - It's beginning to look as if the American people...  Q   Jan-11-04 12:59 AM   #49 
  - moderation can't be surrender  PATRICK   Jan-11-04 08:42 AM   #52 
     - The grass roots of the party are quite aware they've been abandoned...  Q   Jan-11-04 09:00 AM   #56 

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