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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 05:31 PM
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43. without unions, most many workers would be screwed
In the public sector as well as the private.

You can't trust legislators beholden to business interests to stand up for workers, and they don't. The only reason dems do at all is pressure from unions.

You may have part of a point on cultural issues, but on social programs and economics, you are just wrong. We have to offer things that will actually help people and not just be an echo of Grover Norquist's wet dreams.
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  -Gingrich on C. Rose: Dems in Denial ... umass1993  Jan-21-05 01:12 PM   #0 
  - Lack of Vision  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:18 PM   #1 
  - What, exactly, is that liberal dogma you will lead to slaughter?  Crowdance   Jan-21-05 01:19 PM   #2 
  - Social Issues for One  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:26 PM   #3 
  - so you are not pro-choice  el_gato   Jan-21-05 01:52 PM   #12 
  - characterizations are a fool's enterprise  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:03 PM   #14 
     - I am asking if you are saying the democratic party should abandon  el_gato   Jan-21-05 02:15 PM   #18 
        - no it shouldn't "abandon" it  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:29 PM   #22 
        - "it's young"  el_gato   Jan-21-05 02:56 PM   #24 
           - I would not use the term "property"  umass1993   Jan-21-05 03:07 PM   #25 
              - you are the one that used a possessive term  el_gato   Jan-21-05 03:15 PM   #26 
              - OK,  umass1993   Jan-21-05 03:26 PM   #28 
              - I think this discussion proves my point  umass1993   Jan-21-05 03:16 PM   #27 
              - and your point is we need to have more state involvement in reproduction  el_gato   Jan-21-05 03:53 PM   #29 
                 - now you are naive  umass1993   Jan-21-05 06:17 PM   #31 
              - Are you assuming that a fertilized egg is a child?  Larkspur   Jan-21-05 04:25 PM   #30 
                 - Wonderful!  umass1993   Jan-21-05 06:19 PM   #32 
                 - How is Larkspur's position dramatically different from the dems'  sadiesworld   Jan-22-05 08:49 AM   #34 
                    - I am sorry you misunderstand me  umass1993   Jan-22-05 10:37 AM   #35 
                    - In post *25, you clearly stated that pro-choicers believe the  sadiesworld   Jan-23-05 03:42 AM   #47 
                       - I think you misconstrue what i said...  umass1993   Jan-23-05 01:12 PM   #50 
                    - Moreover, why don't you tell  umass1993   Jan-22-05 10:47 AM   #36 
                 - An american narrative  umass1993   Jan-21-05 06:29 PM   #33 
        - "Big Gov't"  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:33 PM   #23 
  - without unions, most many workers would be screwed  yurbud   Jan-22-05 05:31 PM   #43 
  - Unions have problems too  umass1993   Jan-23-05 01:31 PM   #52 
     - labor department is useless in GOP hands or when vulnerable to pressure  yurbud   Jan-24-05 01:48 AM   #56 
        - RE: the role of the Labor Department  umass1993   Jan-24-05 11:06 AM   #59 
           - More on why we need unions  yurbud   Jan-24-05 11:31 AM   #62 
              - We do need Unions now  umass1993   Jan-24-05 11:49 AM   #64 
                 - having a union apart from gov't is a check and balance  yurbud   Jan-24-05 01:04 PM   #65 
                    - Once again, it's hard to disagree with you, but ...  umass1993   Jan-25-05 10:37 AM   #68 
                       - unions like Social Security, target of sustained disinformation campaign  yurbud   Jan-25-05 11:12 AM   #69 
                          - good point  umass1993   Jan-25-05 07:03 PM   #76 
                             - that sounds pro-union  yurbud   Jan-25-05 07:41 PM   #79 
  - Unions matter.  bluestateboomer   Jan-26-05 09:43 PM   #91 
  - RE: "Unions matter."  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:20 PM   #96 
  - the other means of helping workers--gov't--is controlled by corporations  yurbud   Feb-05-05 05:06 PM   #110 
  - some more  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:31 PM   #4 
  - bush has increased the size and strength of the federal gov. massively  el_gato   Jan-21-05 01:45 PM   #7 
     - Yes he has  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:51 PM   #11 
  - Family Issues  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:39 PM   #5 
  - Hemming and hawing  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:43 PM   #6 
  - you seem to be rather naive about the state of things  el_gato   Jan-21-05 01:49 PM   #8 
     - naive?  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:57 PM   #13 
        - what I am saying is...  el_gato   Jan-21-05 02:11 PM   #16 
           - I like one word you used  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:17 PM   #20 
  - Economics is a problem  umass1993   Jan-21-05 01:49 PM   #9 
     - well these republicans do ask alot of people to die for them  el_gato   Jan-21-05 01:51 PM   #10 
        - It seems like a lot  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:06 PM   #15 
  - I guess my main point is  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:13 PM   #17 
  - what about liberty?  el_gato   Jan-21-05 02:17 PM   #19 
     - liberty fits in everywhere  umass1993   Jan-21-05 02:23 PM   #21 
     - put liberty and democracy AHEAD of big business  yurbud   Jan-22-05 05:38 PM   #44 
  - Well, mighty full of yourself, aren't you?  PurityOfEssence   Jan-22-05 11:25 AM   #37 
  - Mmm, are you talking to me??  umass1993   Jan-22-05 12:03 PM   #39 
  - "the less poverty in a society, the better for all"  umass1993   Jan-22-05 12:36 PM   #41 
  - Tell that to the big corporations  whosinpower   Jan-22-05 04:48 PM   #42 
     - I don't understand your post  umass1993   Jan-23-05 01:34 PM   #53 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-05 10:54 AM   #49 
     - thank you for your post  umass1993   Jan-23-05 01:45 PM   #54 
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  - I agree that issues are important  umass1993   Jan-22-05 12:12 PM   #40 
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     - To the evangelicals  umass1993   Jan-23-05 01:22 PM   #51 
        - Thanks for telling me about "reality". nt  bemildred   Jan-23-05 05:55 PM   #55 
           - Not that you're bitter ;-)  umass1993   Jan-24-05 11:17 AM   #61 
  - You said it  teryang   Jan-22-05 06:56 PM   #45 
     - "a member of the species homo sapiens at any stage of development,"  rodeodance   Jan-23-05 07:55 AM   #48 
  - So, Newt Gingrich is a hero....  Bridget Burke   Jan-24-05 09:25 AM   #57 
  - Newt is a hero.  umass1993   Jan-24-05 10:52 AM   #58 
  - Dems in Denial Cruise Article  umass1993   Jan-24-05 11:15 AM   #60 
  - William Rasperry on the subject  umass1993   Jan-24-05 11:39 AM   #63 
  - the foetus is not the point.  xchrom   Jan-25-05 06:07 AM   #66 
  - You seem to imply that I am stupid...  umass1993   Jan-25-05 10:27 AM   #67 
     - you might be right.  xchrom   Jan-25-05 05:40 PM   #72 
        - "there is no negotiating on whether a womans body is her own."  umass1993   Jan-25-05 07:23 PM   #77 
        - who is it disputed by?  xchrom   Jan-26-05 05:10 AM   #81 
           - You Amaze Me  umass1993   Jan-26-05 10:44 AM   #82 
              - Another transparent dodge.  bemildred   Jan-26-05 11:09 AM   #83 
                 - Dodge?  umass1993   Jan-26-05 11:47 AM   #84 
                    - Dodge. Dodge, dodge, dodge. nt  bemildred   Jan-26-05 11:59 AM   #86 
        - "i really don't care how offensive it is to anybody"  umass1993   Jan-25-05 07:28 PM   #78 
  - Wow, what a mess!  GOPFighter   Jan-25-05 11:28 AM   #70 
  - DEMOCRATS LOST!!!!!!!!  umass1993   Jan-25-05 06:17 PM   #73 
  - The question is why  pointcounter   Jan-25-05 10:49 PM   #80 
  - the moderators seem to be even-handed  umass1993   Jan-26-05 11:50 AM   #85 
  - New Coke Politics...not smart!  DaDeacon   Jan-26-05 03:58 PM   #88 
  - Moreover you didn't respond to any of my points  umass1993   Jan-25-05 06:23 PM   #74 
  - Saw him...he's using the Reagan method to run in '08  Norquist Nemesis   Jan-25-05 11:36 AM   #71 
  - I don't fear Gingrich.  umass1993   Jan-25-05 06:26 PM   #75 
  - Republicans  CitizenRob   Jan-26-05 01:03 PM   #87 
     - stop whining  umass1993   Jan-26-05 06:57 PM   #89 
        - Aw, c'mon.  bemildred   Jan-26-05 07:52 PM   #90 
        - bemildred, I think we are miscommunicating again....  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:08 PM   #92 
           - Why post Newtie if he is irrelevant to your point?  bemildred   Jan-27-05 12:17 PM   #94 
           - Newtie is a prominent person...  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:27 PM   #97 
              - Newt is an asshole.  bemildred   Jan-27-05 12:33 PM   #99 
                 - I also cited  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:46 PM   #102 
                 - I have some respect for Mr Raspberry, but disagree with him here. nt  bemildred   Jan-27-05 01:10 PM   #108 
                 - see post 60 eom  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:47 PM   #103 
           - Dude,  CitizenRob   Jan-27-05 12:18 PM   #95 
              - OK, my apologies..  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:33 PM   #98 
              - You  CitizenRob   Jan-27-05 12:45 PM   #101 
                 - WE ARE AT WAR WITH THE REPUBLICANS.  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:55 PM   #105 
                    - I'm not talking torture, or death camps.  CitizenRob   Jan-27-05 12:59 PM   #107 
              - If you want to see me whining........  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:58 PM   #106 
                 - see...  CitizenRob   Jan-28-05 01:17 PM   #109 
        - okay...  CitizenRob   Jan-27-05 12:12 PM   #93 
           - I listed a few changes that could be made  umass1993   Jan-27-05 12:41 PM   #100 
              - We are at war  CitizenRob   Jan-27-05 12:49 PM   #104 
 

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