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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:59 PM
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26. the POINT is only as good as the analogy...
and the analogy is anorexic (very thin).

The post-war problems are vastly different, and the Civil War was just that an internal conflict. The combatants had a common history, language, and religion. Iraq was invaded by a foreign power, and the struggle has incited people in neighboring countries to join the resistance.

The Civil War was fought for many reasons. Regional economics & tariffs were part of it, but slavery was a major factor. The agitation of the abolitionists, the Dredd Scott decision, and John Browns raid were tearing the nation apart over the slavery issue. The biggest bone of contention was the admittance of new states would they be slave or free? The Missouri Compromise was abandoned in favor of the Kansas/Nebraska Act (popular sovereignty) and Kansas erupted in bloodshed between factions for each side.

The South seceded to protect their peculiar institution and because the election of Lincoln tipped the scales of federal power unacceptably towards the North. The North fought primarily to preserve the Union and after 1863 also to free the slaves. Many northerners did not fight for the slaves, but for many others it elevated the conflict to a noble cause.

This cartoon seeks to compare the freeing of the slaves with the liberation of Iraqis, and the forming of our more perfect union with the development of democracy in Iraq, contending the sacrifice is worth it.

The problem with this is that we did not invade Iraq to liberate them or to spread democracy or even to eliminate WMD we invaded to slake our thirst for oil, enrich corporate America, and to advance the agenda of deluded neocon ideologues who think they can remake the world with military might.

To compare their motivations with that of Lincoln is offensive and ludicrous.

And, as opposed to those who gave the last full measure in the Civil War, our troops in Iraq WILL have died in vain, because the efforts of the neocons are doomed to failure
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  -This cartoon makes a good point MaverickX  Sep-04-03 01:17 PM   #0 
  - I don't see the connection to Iraq.  LittleApple81   Sep-04-03 01:19 PM   #1 
  - the Civil war was fought over the fact ...  MaverickX   Sep-04-03 01:40 PM   #12 
     - Grossly oversimplified.  tom_paine   Sep-04-03 03:33 PM   #22 
        - I love that sig line!!  benfranklin1776   Sep-05-03 06:42 PM   #43 
  - "the stress is getting to you, sir", "go see a play"  SpikeTrees   Sep-04-03 01:21 PM   #2 
  - The parallel with Iraq fails for me too  Emillereid   Sep-04-03 01:22 PM   #3 
  - me too ...  meegbear   Sep-04-03 01:22 PM   #4 
     - yep, me as well...  ixion   Sep-04-03 01:25 PM   #5 
        - there is a connection  MaverickX   Sep-04-03 01:36 PM   #9 
           - The connection is  sangh0   Sep-04-03 03:12 PM   #21 
  - there is no comparison  mmm   Sep-04-03 01:26 PM   #6 
  - first of all...  MaverickX   Sep-04-03 01:34 PM   #8 
     - You have a very poor understanding of history  gsh999   Sep-04-03 11:37 PM   #31 
        - uh the revisionism is that  MaverickX   Sep-05-03 03:32 PM   #33 
  - I think he means...  MaverickX   Sep-04-03 01:31 PM   #7 
  - How was the Civil War different from Iraq?  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 01:39 PM   #11 
  - Saddam didn't oppress his people?  MaverickX   Sep-04-03 01:45 PM   #14 
  - Who the hell are you trying to kid?  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 02:50 PM   #17 
     - oh of course..  MaverickX   Sep-05-03 03:34 PM   #34 
  - or weapons of mass reproduction  CatWoman   Sep-04-03 04:06 PM   #23 
  - " How was the Civil War different from Iraq? "  coda   Sep-05-03 04:07 PM   #38 
  - Gee, as I recall  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 01:37 PM   #10 
  - umm..  MaverickX   Sep-04-03 01:42 PM   #13 
     - So frigging what?  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 02:51 PM   #18 
  - This is just apologetics  Philosophy   Sep-04-03 01:59 PM   #15 
  - Not to mention the fact  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 02:56 PM   #20 
  - Yes, and the 'good' point it makes is:  damnraddem   Sep-04-03 02:45 PM   #16 
  - What's especially ironic  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 02:54 PM   #19 
     - MrBenchley, you're killing me!  Proud_American   Sep-04-03 04:49 PM   #24 
        - Feel free  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 04:56 PM   #25 
  - the POINT is only as good as the analogy...  Martin Eden   Sep-04-03 04:59 PM   #26 
  - Well stated, Mr. Eden  Jack Rabbit   Sep-04-03 10:50 PM   #30 
     - You've got thr crux of it  Martin Eden   Sep-05-03 04:09 PM   #39 
  - bush apologists and the apologists that apologize for them,  KG   Sep-04-03 05:13 PM   #27 
  - The Civil War was fought for only one reason.  snippy   Sep-04-03 07:53 PM   #28 
  - Lincoln was adamant  CatWoman   Sep-05-03 09:42 AM   #32 
     - I totally agree..  MaverickX   Sep-05-03 03:37 PM   #35 
  - Where is Lincoln ?  ddoumeche   Sep-04-03 08:50 PM   #29 
  - Lincoln is overrated...  MaverickX   Sep-05-03 03:40 PM   #36 
     - The Civil War wasn't that great.  Martin Eden   Sep-05-03 03:55 PM   #37 
     - Let's hear your argument that it would be better if the South was allowed  MaverickX   Sep-05-03 04:12 PM   #40 
        - What argument would you have made 3 years ago?  Martin Eden   Sep-05-03 04:58 PM   #41 
     - LINCOLN IS OVERRATED?  Skittles   Sep-07-03 01:12 AM   #46 
  - this cartoon has it all wrong!  Cocoa   Sep-05-03 05:46 PM   #42 
  - its a bullshit cartoon  Uzybone   Sep-06-03 03:16 PM   #44 
     - All true.  snippy   Sep-06-03 05:55 PM   #45 
     - I AGREE  Skittles   Sep-07-03 01:13 AM   #47 

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