Reply #4: Nope - Vladmir Lenin was not "the soviets"... he was one man (obviously)

[Jr_Samples]

Check your history, friend. One Soviet shat the very idea to which you refer, while hundreds of millions died because it was such a misconstrued idea.

The "New Soviet Man" was a Lenin idea; he'd predicted from the start that through brutal "rehabilitation" criminals and anti-communists could be "nurtured" into "new Soviet Men." By the time Stalin got ahold of it, the argument had been modified thus: the "New Soviet Man" was a device to free men "from their biological constraints." In other words in a matter of decades the message had become "yes, nature is inevitable, but with drastic actions we can provide a counterbalance to it!"

The whole idea - aside from being only espoused by about .00001% of all Soviets - was an attempt to answer the inevitability of nature by means of punishment ("nurturing").

You bring up a superb point about the last century, though:

-> Communism counterbalanced its naturalisic, anti-religious foundation nature with a program endorsing nurture; and

->Fascism (especially Nazism) counterbalanced its predeterministic, "Godly" righteousness with a program endorsing the murder of a (natural) race of people.